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Gibson or Givens (1 Viewer)
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tombonneau
Footballguy
Didn't see the game and would be interested in thoughts on this.
JamboTaylor
Footballguy
Short Term = Gibson
Long Term = Givens
Long Term = Givens
DevilintheDetail
Footballguy
That's interesting about the snaps. I would have guessed Gibson would be on the field more.
Nucker101
Footballguy
I'd roll with Givens if I had to pick one, I'd have a difficult time trusting either one of them in my starting lineup though. Givens has great speed and decent hands, but as a deep threat he will be a hit or miss play. Even if he does hit on a long bomb for 40 yards in a game, you could be looking at a mediocre stat line of 2 rec for 50 yards.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
I like Givens.
the way I see it is Givens is the big play guy - who has had 3 straight games of 50+ yard receptions or how long has it been? Add in a TD and you have a guy who can turn around a football game and a FF game around in a single play, which is great and fun to watch too.
>>>Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest: I’m struggling to understand why I don’t hear more about the Wake Forest wide receiver. He’s a little bigger, and just as explosive vertically as Kendall Wright. Just as importantly, Givens played to his speed on almost every snap. He showed dynamic acceleration on vertical routes, especially with free access off the line. He was both deceptively and explosively fast. He went from zero to 60 in a heartbeat. There were a couple of negatives, of course. He wasn’t as effective as an intermediate route runner; his explosive movement did not always translate to quickness in and out of breaks. The larger issue was his hands; at times he fought the ball and struggled to make routine catches. Based on my evaluation, I don’t feel Givens should make it out of the second round.<<<
- Greg Cosell
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/20/cosell-talks-diamonds-in-the-rough-part-ii/
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=638767&st=0&p=14311856&hl=givens&fromsearch=1entry14311856
the way I see it is Givens is the big play guy - who has had 3 straight games of 50+ yard receptions or how long has it been? Add in a TD and you have a guy who can turn around a football game and a FF game around in a single play, which is great and fun to watch too.
>>>Chris Givens, WR, Wake Forest: I’m struggling to understand why I don’t hear more about the Wake Forest wide receiver. He’s a little bigger, and just as explosive vertically as Kendall Wright. Just as importantly, Givens played to his speed on almost every snap. He showed dynamic acceleration on vertical routes, especially with free access off the line. He was both deceptively and explosively fast. He went from zero to 60 in a heartbeat. There were a couple of negatives, of course. He wasn’t as effective as an intermediate route runner; his explosive movement did not always translate to quickness in and out of breaks. The larger issue was his hands; at times he fought the ball and struggled to make routine catches. Based on my evaluation, I don’t feel Givens should make it out of the second round.<<<
- Greg Cosell
http://nflfilms.nfl.com/2012/04/20/cosell-talks-diamonds-in-the-rough-part-ii/
http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=638767&st=0&p=14311856&hl=givens&fromsearch=1entry14311856
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otb_lifer
Footballguy
Welcome to the squad, Mr. Givens 
Snagged him in a high octane bonus league ... that BOOM could result in 20 pts. on one play. That upside is hard to pass up on a spec sitting on the WW. Next 2 games (Pack/Pats) will certainly see Bradford slingin' it.
Bigdaddy1
Footballguy
That's what my thinking was.....this bye week is a killer for me.....I need a shot and rolled with Givens.
just_want_2_win
Footballguy
Amendola returned to practice this week and speculation is he could be playing by week 10. I'd like the opinion of Rams fans or those who have followed the situation closely because they own 1 of the 3: Do you think Gibson and/or Givens have much value after Amendola returns?Edited to add this:"Givens is the first rookie since Willie Gault (1983) with a reception of 50+ yards in four consecutive games." - RotoworldWith that in mind, do you think Givens has gotten those passes as desperation throws since there's no Amendola to throw to, or do you think he'll continue to get beyond the defense, and maybe even benefit from Amendola's return? I haven't seen much of the Rams this year so I can't make an eyeball determination.
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
I'd also like to hear from some homers. With Amendola returning does that make the others irrelevant? Or will Amendola take a back seat in favor of Givens?
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
I ran into the buzz saw that is Doug Martin this week and figured I needed a high upside home run threat. I'm rolling with Givens in my flex. If you look at all the WRs who have had success against NE on their respective teams, most have been blatant speedsters, with Donald Jones, Torrey Smith, Jacoby Jones, Jeremy Kerley being good examples of this. It isn't a coincidence that NE has given up the big play quite often. NE has surrendered the 5th highest yards per completion (8.1), has given up the 4th most 40+ yard passing plays (5) and the most 20+ yard passing plays per game (39). Here are some of the longest catches surrendered by NE's secondary, several being season longs..
Donald Jones - 68 yard catch
G. Tate - 51
D. Baldwin - 50
S. Rice - 46
Jacoby Jones - 41
D. Thomas - 38
T. Smith - 38
I figure I'm trying to catch lightning in a bottle with slightly better odds than usual. I'm very much hoping for a 3-5/100+/1 stat line. We'll see. *fingers crossed*
Donald Jones - 68 yard catch
G. Tate - 51
D. Baldwin - 50
S. Rice - 46
Jacoby Jones - 41
D. Thomas - 38
T. Smith - 38
I figure I'm trying to catch lightning in a bottle with slightly better odds than usual. I'm very much hoping for a 3-5/100+/1 stat line. We'll see. *fingers crossed*
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Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
Kerley is not a speedster. He ran a 4.56 40.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Game speed and 40 times are two different animals. I'm technically a Jets fan, I've watched him play a bunch, he's plenty fast. He may not have crazy straight line speed but he's quick as all hell and can reach his top speed in a flash (oh hey he's a KR). I have no problem calling him a speedster. He's currently tied for 4th amongst WRs in plays of 20+ yards (9) as well. He also looked pretty fast on his 68 yard kick return to the house this year. Regardless, I'm quite positive Kerely's 40 time is a bit irrelevant in the grand scheme of my post, no?
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
Was that in pads on a field with defenders chasing him?
Dr. Awesome
Footballguy
The point still stands that New England is susceptible to big plays. But Kerley isn't fast. Perhaps he's quick, shifty, and/or can run a great route. But he's not one of your "blatant speedsters". Just a minor correction.
ItsOnlytheRiver
Footballguy
Bradford is sorely missing Amendola so when he returns he is going to be the focus once again. That doesn't mean that one of Gibson or Givens won't have value, but it probably means both wont (do either really have value now?) and there's a chance they'll split the looks killing both their values. This is a tough offense to figure out. Bradford has looked great some weeks and terrible others. The offensive line was patch worked together before the season began and its even worse now although to the coaching staff's credit I think they've done a good job working with what they've got.
If I was going to choose one of the two it'd be Givens, but that's more because I think Gibson is just terrible. For some reason they decided to pass to him on a 4th down last week which he dropped as always. I own Givens in a couple dynasty leagues but he isn't seeing my lineup this year unless something drastic happens. If you have to start either of these guys I feel bad for you but if you want to have a lottery ticket in hand I'd go with Givens.
If I was going to choose one of the two it'd be Givens, but that's more because I think Gibson is just terrible. For some reason they decided to pass to him on a 4th down last week which he dropped as always. I own Givens in a couple dynasty leagues but he isn't seeing my lineup this year unless something drastic happens. If you have to start either of these guys I feel bad for you but if you want to have a lottery ticket in hand I'd go with Givens.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
Lol. I hope you guys started him with me!
My god that was way too easy.
My god that was way too easy.
SameSongNDance
Footballguy
He's injured. Well, that was fun for a minute.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Who Gibson or Givens?
Brady Marino
Footballguy
Givens.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Givens back in now according to someone in the injury thread.
Hey, still better than my WR3 in any other week.
