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Gil Brandt's 2013 NFL Mock Draft (1 Viewer)
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Andy Dufresne
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YuckA guard at #4? C'mon man.Okay. Overall I guess it's not terrible.
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Andy Dufresne
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Andy Dufresne
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If the Chiefs don't re-sign Albert, then Joeckel is the pick. Otherwise I think they'll take Lotulelei since both Jackson and Dorsey could be let loose.Also, if the Chiefs don't take Joeckel then I would think the Eagles would make a play to get in front of the Raiders to take him.
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Evilgrin 72
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Like :
Werner at #2. I've seen him in the teens in many mocks and have long since contended he'd be a top 10, maybe top 5 pick.
Moore at #6. Higher than most projections I've seen, but I believe he could easily end up here.
Ansah at #12. I've seen mocks that left him out of the first round entirely. No chance. Could go even higher than this if someone is intrigued by his mind-boggling upside.
Te'o at #19. I've seen him mocked as high as #3, but have felt he belongs in the teens at best.
Dislike :
Lotulelei at #10. I would be stupefied if he falls to #10. More likely to go #1 than #10.
Geno Smith and Matt Barkley at #3 and #7. I know about Tannehill and Locker and all that. Unless the Raiders think Geno Smith is the next RG3, they have bigger issues. Likewise, the Cardinals would HAVE to be gun-shy about spending another top 10 pick on a possibly overrated USC QB named Matt, right? I think in this draft, both teams would be better served drafting a QB in round 2 and hoping they get Andy Dalton.
No Taylor Lewan. Unless there's something I don't know (injury, didn't/won't declare, etc.) I think he's the second best OT in this draft, and potentially the best.
Chance Warmack at #4. A guard at #4? I'll believe that when I see it. Unless they're fairly certain he can transition to LT (I don't buy it) - there's no way he goes this high. He may be even a little more highly regarded than DeCastro was coming out of college, but I think he goes in the mid-teens, not #4.
Barkevious Mingo #21. WAY too low. Possible top 6 pick and I doubt he gets past about 11-13, even in a deep draft for pass rushers.
Sheldon Richardson to PIT to replace Casey Hampton. Ummmm, no. Guy is 6' 4" 290. In the 3-4, he's an end, not a NT and the Steelers have spent first rounders on ends in 2 of the last 3 drafts (Ziggy Hood, Cam Heyward.) Not happening. They COULD be looking for a nose, but if they do, they're much more likely to draft one of two guys Brandt has going much later in the round - Jenkins out of Georgia or Hankins from Ohio St.
Werner at #2. I've seen him in the teens in many mocks and have long since contended he'd be a top 10, maybe top 5 pick.
Moore at #6. Higher than most projections I've seen, but I believe he could easily end up here.
Ansah at #12. I've seen mocks that left him out of the first round entirely. No chance. Could go even higher than this if someone is intrigued by his mind-boggling upside.
Te'o at #19. I've seen him mocked as high as #3, but have felt he belongs in the teens at best.
Dislike :
Lotulelei at #10. I would be stupefied if he falls to #10. More likely to go #1 than #10.
Geno Smith and Matt Barkley at #3 and #7. I know about Tannehill and Locker and all that. Unless the Raiders think Geno Smith is the next RG3, they have bigger issues. Likewise, the Cardinals would HAVE to be gun-shy about spending another top 10 pick on a possibly overrated USC QB named Matt, right? I think in this draft, both teams would be better served drafting a QB in round 2 and hoping they get Andy Dalton.
No Taylor Lewan. Unless there's something I don't know (injury, didn't/won't declare, etc.) I think he's the second best OT in this draft, and potentially the best.
Chance Warmack at #4. A guard at #4? I'll believe that when I see it. Unless they're fairly certain he can transition to LT (I don't buy it) - there's no way he goes this high. He may be even a little more highly regarded than DeCastro was coming out of college, but I think he goes in the mid-teens, not #4.
Barkevious Mingo #21. WAY too low. Possible top 6 pick and I doubt he gets past about 11-13, even in a deep draft for pass rushers.
Sheldon Richardson to PIT to replace Casey Hampton. Ummmm, no. Guy is 6' 4" 290. In the 3-4, he's an end, not a NT and the Steelers have spent first rounders on ends in 2 of the last 3 drafts (Ziggy Hood, Cam Heyward.) Not happening. They COULD be looking for a nose, but if they do, they're much more likely to draft one of two guys Brandt has going much later in the round - Jenkins out of Georgia or Hankins from Ohio St.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
You apparently don't know he decided to return to school.
I'm not sure about that. I have Mingo in the 20's as well. He didn't have a great year and is more likely an OLB than he is a DE.
jurb26
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I'd say its pretty terrible.... But it's early and mocks often look terrible this time of year. So I say that in the most polite of ways.'Andy Dufresne said:
Star at 10 is way too low. He's a top 5 talent at a premium position. Barkley in the top 10 still is laughable... But then again QBs are criminally overvalued. So you never know.Ogletree at 8, ahead of J. Jones, is a huge reach IMO. Jones, like Star, is a top 5 talent. I have no problem dropping him because LBs can fall. Not at the expense of another LB though. Especially one who plays with the wreak less abandonment of Ogletree. I love Ogeltree as a late 1st rounder, not in the top 10. Too much risk at a low demand position.G at 4 is a huge reach. Not much to say other than that.Ansah and Mingo should be switched and the write up for Mingo should be the one used for Ansah. J. Banks is the best CB in the class IMO, far too low.S. Montgomery is too low as well.I do like that he has the balls to pick Joeckel #1 overall. I agree he's the best prospect in the draft.
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pantherclub
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Thoughts:Warmac in top 10, no way.Cardinals will not draft another undersized USC qbFluker is way too lowTerrance Williams the #1 wr off the board? Come on man.John Jenkins way too low as well. I could see him going top 10 with a good combineSeems like a good year for DLine, Oline and Safetys, skill positions not so much
Concept Coop
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Love Lacy at 16. Now I don't feel so crazy for thinking he is a very legit 1st round prospect at RB.
jurb26
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I like him more at 22 because I think St.L can get him there. I like him in the 1st round though. He's much better than he's given credit for. St.L has a great luxury of 2 pick relatively close to each other in the 1st. I think they can go BOA at 16 and nab Lacy at 22.
Concept Coop
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What is not to like? He is 235 and likely to run close to a 4.50. On top of that, he makes as many people miss as just about anyone in this class, most of whom are much smaller than him.I don't see why a team would take Bernard over him, unless they want a specialist to comlpiment their established starter.Not to mention I don't think he will be the first running back off the board
ICON211
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And for the Raiders too I hope he does not make it past three. Overall this seems like a really bad mock for a lot of the reasons that were already brought up.
Sinrman
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Some I agree with and can definitely see the merit behind them. Others... eek.Geno Smith, a.k.a. Jamarcus Russell pt. 2 at #4 to... Oakland? Tee heeBarkley being thrown into that mess in AZ? OoooofWould LOVE for Detroit to take Milliner at #5. Would be a fantastic choice for us. We have needed good CBs for years...Joeckel at #1? I can see it... People have to remember that with the #1 overall you aren't going to solve ALL of your issues, unless you are able to trade it for a ton of picks like the Rams did when they traded the #2 pick last year. But this year, there is no clear-cut #1 or #2 guy like there was last year, so I don't see why teams would move all the way up to that and give up the farm.If the Jets go DEF in the 2013 draft I will laugh so hard. They would be even more of a joke than they already are. They have so many holes on offense, it's ridiculous, starting with QB.If Fluker lasts until #13, then TB gets a steal of a pick.Lacy at #16 would be fantastic value for the Rams, and would only enhance my admiration for what Fisher has already done in STL.Te'O dropping to #19 would be a surprise, even as poorly as he and the Irish played in the championship game. The rich would get richer with that pick.I REALLY think the Falcons have GOT to get some pass rushers on defense. They have absolutely no push up front or on the ends, so a DT wouldn't be a big surprise.
Bigboy10182000
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Why let Albert go to draft Joeckel? Doesn't make sense. I think Bowe is the gonner in KC. Andy doesn't like to pay for WR's.
FUBAR
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I don't know if Lacy is the best RB in the draft or not, but I don't think he's an exceptional talent. Good sure, end of the first seems a decent place, but #16 seems high. Rams would be better off with Fisher and then Lacy at #22 if they want a RB, although Fisher will probably take defense with one of those picks.What is not to like? He is 235 and likely to run close to a 4.50. On top of that, he makes as many people miss as just about anyone in this class, most of whom are much smaller than him.I don't see why a team would take Bernard over him, unless they want a specialist to comlpiment their established starter.
Mr. Peterson
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Geno and Jamarcus have nothing in common except the color of their skin. Jamarcus had all the talent. Just dumb and lazy. I don't know if Geno is smart, but he sure isn't lazy.
Abrantes
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Fluker is a great run-blocking RT who's just passable at pass protection. How is he too low at 13?As a whole, I'll give Brandt the benefit of the doubt, but it looks awful to me. Warmack is phenomenal, but taking any guard with the fourth overall pick is nearly unprecedented. I don't have photographic memory or database savvy, so if any have been taken that high, people are free to correct me. Most teams seem to feel that you can take guards later and coach them up instead. (Edit: Apparently the last one taken at #4 overall or higher was Bill Fralic in 1985, at #2)
Agree that Williams being the first WR off the board would be stunning.
As a Rams fan, I'll be forced to drown my sorrows with heavy liquor if the Rams waste the 16th overall pick on Eddie Lacy. As a general rule, it's not worth taking RBs that high in today's NFL unless they're special talents, and Lacy doesn't qualify for me. Further, the team just drafted Pead in the second round last year, Richardson showed he can be a decent contributor, and it feels like Steven Jackson will return. If the Rams must take an RB, I'd rather have them take a look at Lattimore as a lottery ticket if he drops far enough. The team has greater needs. Look at the subsequentpicks. Richardson, Fisher, Ertz. I'll take any of them over Lacy in a heartbeat, or any of a handful of others.
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JetMaxx
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I can't see the Eagles passing on Lotulelei if he's available and Joeckel is gone. Putting him next to Fletcher Cox would be a devastating interior DL front. If those two are gone and trade down attempts are not worth it, I can also see the Eagles going outside the realm of normal thinking to take a potentially dominant OL in Warmack even if he's an OG, especially in this draft without clear star power at the top.'Evilgrin 72 said:
cheese
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His guess at Bengals taking a DE only makes any sense at all if Johnson leaves and I personally doubt that will happen. He might even get franchised. Bengals have 2 2nd rd picks so if they have a specific Safety (Reid?) and RB (Bernard?) targeted in those picks, their 1st rd pick becomes a bit of a crap shoot. I would lean OL if that's the case (it's just as likely Andre Smith walks as it is MJ). Otherwise, Lacy or any of the safeties in the 1st.
Rick James
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Falcons are ok at DT (Walker, Peters, Babineaux, Jerry). I doubt they take a DT in the 1st round.a pass-rushing DE is an enormous need for ATL. I'd like us to draft 5 of 'em.
Pigskin Boss
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I agree with Jarvis Jones
Andy Dufresne
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I've seen it in a couple spots. Russ Lande has Ertz as his #18 prospect overall, Eifert at #25.Regarding Barkley - I get that people are down on him after the year he just had but there are teams that are more than starving for QB talent and he's still probably the best pro prospect in this year's class. He's going to go higher than people think for that reason alone.Arizona and Buffalo are not going to go into the season with the QBs they had last year. What are their options?
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Evilgrin 72
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I didn't know Lewan decided not to go pro, thanks. I figured that was probably the case, because he's a top 12 pick.I can't imagine Mingo drops to the 20s. If he's still there when the Steelers pick, I think they'll sprint to the front like they did when DeCastro fell last year. OLB is a need with Harrison likely to either be cut or restructured with an eye towards retiring sooner rather than later - Worilds and Carter have shown flashes, but the Steelers desperately need to get a premium pass rush from their OLBs or their whole defensive scheme falls apart. Mingo is an ideal fit as a 3-4 OLB and behind Jones, the best in this class.You apparently don't know he decided to return to school.'Evilgrin 72 said:I'm not sure about that. I have Mingo in the 20's as well. He didn't have a great year and is more likely an OLB than he is a DE.'Evilgrin 72 said:
Andy Dufresne
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And that's why he could drop to the 20's. All the teams from #12 to #22 (now, supposedly, including Dallas) but the Steelers run 4-3's. So if Mingo doesn't go in the top #11, which he could but probably won't, and doesn't get picked by Pittsburgh, then he could easily make it to the 20's.
I have the Steelers taking Dion Jordan in my latest rough draft.
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Evilgrin 72
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It's possible, I guess, but I think it's unlikely as explosive as he can be. I believe (and think other teams will as well) that he could easily be a 4-3 end too. I personally think his size/speed/skill set is better suited to 3-4 OLB, but he's played with his hand on the ground throughout college and at 6' 5" could probably add weight pretty easily without sacrificing much in the way of explosiveness.This draft is deeper with pass rushers than any I have ever seen, though, so I suppose position scarcity being less of a factor could cause a drop, but likewise it could cause him to rise a bit as maybe teams will be scrambling to get that "last guy" if the rush ends start flying off the board as I imagine they might.
Evilgrin 72
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Oh, and I would be very happy with a Jordan pick but if Mingo is still there, I think he's an even better fit. i have been wrong before though (see Unger, Max.)Steelers could theoretically go RB (unlikely), WR (also unlikely), G/T, NT, OLB, or secondary with their first picks. They have a lot of needs but not a ton of glaring, immediate needs, which should give them pretty good flexibility in this draft. Also remains to be seen what the fates hold for Mendenhall, Wallace, Harrison, etc.
Bigboy10182000
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If Chip Kelly brings the 3-4 here then that will change things at 4. Even more so if he brings in Todd Grantham as the DC
Concept Coop
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My thoughts are no - I don't see it and the current wave of mock drafts all have him absent. Of course that could change.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Most places have Bernard ranked first, but I think it will be Lacy.
Ned Ryerson
Footballguy
If he is, it would be kind of crazy to think that the 1st RB off the board THREE years in a row came from the same school. talk about reloading...
Drop
Footballguy
I don't think KC will select an offensive tackle #1 overall. They have Winston at RT and drafted Donald Stephenson in the 3rd round last season, he started 7 games and looked fine to me. The #1 pick is best used on another position, most likely it will be the QB they like the most.
Donnybrook
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I would say the rookie salary cap is the obvious reason.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I didn't think KC was in a bad cap situation and why risk a rookie bust when you know what you have in Albert??
Donnybrook
Footballguy
You could be right. Early mocks are often just prospect rankings.
bakes
I am the Beer God!
Gotta wonder if the Te'o miasma would have teams thinking of passing him by. Originally loved that pick for the Giants and still, even with the weird GF saga, think that Coughlin & Co. could straighten him out and use him to his best advantage. But definitely some question marks popping up.
flc735
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in what scenario or year would they ever be useful outside of amusement?
r0llin_game
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I don't see Lacy or Bernard being picked by the Rams. With them having drafted Pead, along with Richardson, just don't see it.
It doesn't matter if they don't re-sign Albert.It doesn't matter if their entire offensive line dies in a fiery plane crash.If KC does anything with the #1 pick other than draft a QB, Arrowhead will be torched within the hour.
