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For both Roto and standard points H2H leagues. If you had to rank top 10 for both leagues today what would they be.

I'll post mine later. Just curious with trade deadlines coming up what the landscape will look like going into draft season 2011.

Feel free to rank either redrafts or Dynasty.....just signify it.

 
Redraft:::

1. Albert Pujols -again

2. Miguel Cabrera

3. Hanley Ramirez

4. Carl Crawford

5. Cliff Lee

6. Joey Votto

7. Josh Hamilton

8. Josh Johnson

9. Roy Halladay

10. Mark Texiera

 
I like Timmay's list, but in a redraft I still think Arod has to be up there somewhere.

If Utley can prove to me he's 100%, he sneaks on the list as well.

Something like

1. Pujols

2. Cabrera

3. Arod

4. Hamilton

5. Votto

6. Hanley

7. Lee

8. Crawford

9. Utley

10. Halladay

I can definitely see JJohnson or Texiera though.

 
I don't know, but probably only one of Tex and Hamilton will be in it. Crawford, CarGo, and the pitchers mentioned won't be.

I don't know the order but these will be the top 9 - Pujols, Hanley, Miggy, Votto, Utley, Longoria, Wright, Braun, and Cano. I'd consider Zimmerman, Tex, and Hamilton for the 10 spot. My gut says Zimmerman, my head says Tex.

 
I think Cabrera is making a case for #1 in any format. We'll see what happens the rest of the season but right now I take him over Pujols.

I'm also not a believer in pitchers inside of the top 10. Too much value in rounds 5-12. That's my take.

Not sure I can put Braun in the top 10.

Longoria is top 10 for me in H2H or Roto. Not sure where his power is right now but the steals are nice and he should be hitting 30-40 HRs. Huge year ahead.

Cano should be in the top 10 but I think back to a couple years back when I thought he was going to have the season he's having and he laid an egg. I took him in the 3rd believing thinking I'd see 2010 numbers back in 2008. Guess I was ahead of the curve.

Cargo, well what more can the guy do?

Hamilton is a pimp but his injury/crack smoking risk puts him about 12-15 for me.

Utley is aging and becoming an injury risk.

Miggy

Pujols

Hanley

Longoria

Cano

Cargo

Votto

Crawford

Wright

Braun, Hamilton, A-Rod

 
I'm also not a believer in pitchers inside of the top 10. Too much value in rounds 5-12. That's my take.
I agree with this but I did this exercise along the lines of how I thought the top ten would go in my drafts next year. I know 2-3 pitchers will go in the top 12 of each of my 12 team leagues. I won't be me helping those numbers, but I know it will happen.
 
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This is my NL only list right now.

1. Wright

2. Votto

3. Pujols

4. Hanley

5. JUpton

6. Cargo

7. Prado

8. Zimmerman

9. Wainright

10. Utley

 
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
Wwwrrrrright?
Sure, he's been streaky this year, including a brutal stretch right now, but he's the only speed power combo at his position and next year's lineup should have 2 good tabel setters in Pagan and Reyes. Yes, his strikeouts are worrisome, but he's shown the ability the past 2 years to post good BA despite those Ks.ETA - Also, Im a big believer in using the aging curves and next season is Wright's age 28 season, still generally a prime year.
 
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This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
Wwwrrrrright?
Sure, he's been streaky this year, including a brutal stretch right now, but he's the only speed power combo at his position and next year's lineup should have 2 good tabel setters in Pagan and Reyes. Yes, his strikeouts are worrisome, but he's shown the ability the past 2 years to post good BA despite those Ks.ETA - Also, Im a big believer in using the aging curves and next season is Wright's age 28 season, still generally a prime year.
I thought 27 was the magic year?
 
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
Wwwrrrrright?
Sure, he's been streaky this year, including a brutal stretch right now, but he's the only speed power combo at his position and next year's lineup should have 2 good tabel setters in Pagan and Reyes. Yes, his strikeouts are worrisome, but he's shown the ability the past 2 years to post good BA despite those Ks.ETA - Also, Im a big believer in using the aging curves and next season is Wright's age 28 season, still generally a prime year.
I thought 27 was the magic year?
There is no real magic year, but 25-29 is generally thought to be the range for typical peak offensive production.
 
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
? Prado at 7. over Utley?Sure he offers Runs and Avg. but doesnt steal many bases and barely has 20 HR power, what changes in him that he will be the 7th best player in an NL only league next year?
 
s_ezy said:
dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
? Prado at 7. over Utley?Sure he offers Runs and Avg. but doesnt steal many bases and barely has 20 HR power, what changes in him that he will be the 7th best player in an NL only league next year?
Its mainly the hip and thumb injuries that have me worried. Along with Werth being gone and another year of even older Ibanez and Rollins. Considering he still hasnt returned from a major hand injury, I think thats a really high ranking right now. Not to mention he's on the wrong side of 30. Also, Im somewhat doubtful Uggla stays in Florida, potentially further weakening the position. Oh, and 20 HR power with a good average, runs and above average RBI with 2B and 3B eligibility in an NL only league is pretty darn valuable.
 
dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
Homer!!! Wright is maybe #4 on that list after Pujols, Hanley, and either Votto, Zimmerman, or Utley.
 
dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now. 1. Wright2. Votto3. Pujols4. Hanley5. JUpton6. Cargo7. Prado8. Zimmerman9. Wainright10. Utley
Homer!!! Wright is maybe #4 on that list after Pujols, Hanley, and either Votto, Zimmerman, or Utley.
Trust me, actually watching Wright on a continual basis does not inflate one's perceptions of his fantasy value.
 
dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now.

1. Wright

2. Votto

3. Pujols

4. Hanley

5. JUpton

6. Cargo

7. Prado

8. Zimmerman

9. Wainright

10. Utley
I wish this list came from someone in the Serious Business league. Both those guys too high IMO.
 
RnR said:
Pujols at 3 in an NL-only? Really?
He's not going to be king of the mountain forever.
Pretty sure next year won't be the year he falls. Try 2018ish...
Hard to believe he's only 30. Age not worth worrying about for at least another 2-3 years.Can't see Pujols going below 2 in a mixed league. Whether Cabrera passes him could depend on what the Tigers do in the offseason. They really need to rebuild that lineup.

 
RnR said:
Pujols at 3 in an NL-only? Really?
He's not going to be king of the mountain forever.
Pretty sure next year won't be the year he falls. Try 2018ish...
Hard to believe he's only 30. Age not worth worrying about for at least another 2-3 years.Can't see Pujols going below 2 in a mixed league. Whether Cabrera passes him could depend on what the Tigers do in the offseason. They really need to rebuild that lineup.
How old do you think he is? We haven't seen the slightest hint of decline, so like you said I don't see any reason to even consider it for the next 3 seasons. If someone really wanted to argue against him as the #1, they could cite that his numbers are down a little this season, but I'm actually really impressed because he's been playing with very noticeable back problems.

 
RnR said:
Pujols at 3 in an NL-only? Really?
He's not going to be king of the mountain forever.
Pretty sure next year won't be the year he falls. Try 2018ish...
As stated, I'll take Miggy.
NL-only...
Oh yeah. I have Cabrera in our league and I'm pretty sure I wouldn't trade him for Albert. When I drafted him #5 overall a few years back there were a few groans. This is what I was expecting. Knew he wouldn't be a Marlin very long and thought he was the best pure talent in the game at the time besides Pujols and A-Rod....and he was only 24. Doesn't really matter what the Tigers do. I don't see them holding onto him and letting the rest of the team slide. If they don't rebuild around him and dump some of that salary they're carrying I wouldn't be surprised to see him traded.If I were the Tigers, I'd probably trade him. Their payroll is too high and they don't have much on the farm. They need to rebuild with prospects. They've got the 6th highest salary at 122M and they're not even close to making a title run with what they have.

 
At least the Tigers have a Top 5 Talent on their roster, unlike the Cubs who dont have anyone in the top 25-40 range, and have one of the biggest payrolls. Tigers have some guys to build on at least, with Cabrera, A. Jackson, Boesch, Verlander, and Mags when healthy.

 
RnR said:
Pujols at 3 in an NL-only? Really?
He's not going to be king of the mountain forever.
Pretty sure next year won't be the year he falls. Try 2018ish...
Hard to believe he's only 30. Age not worth worrying about for at least another 2-3 years.Can't see Pujols going below 2 in a mixed league. Whether Cabrera passes him could depend on what the Tigers do in the offseason. They really need to rebuild that lineup.
How old do you think he is? We haven't seen the slightest hint of decline, so like you said I don't see any reason to even consider it for the next 3 seasons. If someone really wanted to argue against him as the #1, they could cite that his numbers are down a little this season, but I'm actually really impressed because he's been playing with very noticeable back problems.
His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed. And there is plenty of projection in the Upton ranking, might be high as of right now but we'll see how he does to finish the season.

 
If I were the Tigers, I'd probably trade him. Their payroll is too high and they don't have much on the farm. They need to rebuild with prospects. They've got the 6th highest salary at 122M and they're not even close to making a title run with what they have.
Tigers have roughly $50 million coming off the books, mostly from bad contracts like Dontrelle, Robertson and Bonderman. Not that they should take all that money and throw it back out there right away, but they should be in good enough shape to keep Miggy.
 
If I were the Tigers, I'd probably trade him. Their payroll is too high and they don't have much on the farm. They need to rebuild with prospects. They've got the 6th highest salary at 122M and they're not even close to making a title run with what they have.
Tigers have roughly $50 million coming off the books, mostly from bad contracts like Dontrelle, Robertson and Bonderman. Not that they should take all that money and throw it back out there right away, but they should be in good enough shape to keep Miggy.
Illitch's pockets are deep, Miggy isn't going anywhere. This could be an entertaining offseason for the Tigers.
 
dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now.

1. Wright

2. Votto

3. Pujols

4. Hanley

5. JUpton

6. Cargo

7. Prado

8. Zimmerman

9. Wainright

10. Utley
I wish this list came from someone in the Serious Business league. Both those guys too high IMO.
I think you could make the case for Upton as a top 10 dynasty pick. His lack of development this year is a concern but a regression in a 22 year old is less of a problem than for a 30 year old.Wright on the other hand has been a disappointment since Citi Field opened. If there's one sign of the times in this thread, it's that Wright raised eyebrows on a NL top ten list and Martin Prado didn't.

 
His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed.
If you hold the #1 pick in an NL-only redraft next season and you pass on Pujols, let me know. This is one of those things that you can come up with straw man arguments to talk yourself into drafting someone else just for "something different' since he's been the best player in baseball for the better part of a decade. But when push comes to shove on draft day, you'll take the safety of Pujols.ETA: Clear this up for me a little. In your words, Pujols showed signs of "being mortal" last season with a .327/124/47/135/16 5x5 line. Meanwhile, David Wright is your #1 player posting a .307/88/10/72/27 line in the same season. This year really isn't much closer either, Pujols is still quite a bit better.
 
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dparker713 said:
This is my NL only list right now.

1. Wright

2. Votto

3. Pujols

4. Hanley

5. JUpton

6. Cargo

7. Prado

8. Zimmerman

9. Wainright

10. Utley
I wish this list came from someone in the Serious Business league. Both those guys too high IMO.
I think you could make the case for Upton as a top 10 dynasty pick. His lack of development this year is a concern but a regression in a 22 year old is less of a problem than for a 30 year old.Wright on the other hand has been a disappointment since Citi Field opened. If there's one sign of the times in this thread, it's that Wright raised eyebrows on a NL top ten list and Martin Prado didn't.
I still like Upton to eventually be a monster, but I'd have a tough time ranking him over guys like Zimmerman and CarGo who are young and already producing at a huge clip.
 
His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed.
If you hold the #1 pick in an NL-only redraft next season and you pass on Pujols, let me know. This is one of those things that you can come up with straw man arguments to talk yourself into drafting someone else just for "something different' since he's been the best player in baseball for the better part of a decade. But when push comes to shove on draft day, you'll take the safety of Pujols.ETA: Clear this up for me a little. In your words, Pujols showed signs of "being mortal" last season with a .327/124/47/135/16 5x5 line. Meanwhile, David Wright is your #1 player posting a .307/88/10/72/27 line in the same season. This year really isn't much closer either, Pujols is still quite a bit better.
First off, you don't get to play with last year's numbers, and you certainly don't play with the numbers from two years ago. As for Pujols, right now I'd pass him up for both Wright AND Votto. I don't see this as a fluke year from Votto - he's just a monster. Wright has been hot and cold all season, but I expect another big time hot streak before the season. That would put 30/30 still in play, though 25/25 much more likely (though for some reason the Mets arent running as much as they did early in the year so I think the steals are less likely) No other 3B eligible NL player is going to come close to that production. So yeah, if you ignore positions then you clearly want Pujols, and he's the safest pick to put at the top. Its not like Im predicting some massive slide from the man, Im just not placing him at the absolute top of the fantasy world.
 
His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed.
If you hold the #1 pick in an NL-only redraft next season and you pass on Pujols, let me know. This is one of those things that you can come up with straw man arguments to talk yourself into drafting someone else just for "something different' since he's been the best player in baseball for the better part of a decade. But when push comes to shove on draft day, you'll take the safety of Pujols.ETA: Clear this up for me a little. In your words, Pujols showed signs of "being mortal" last season with a .327/124/47/135/16 5x5 line. Meanwhile, David Wright is your #1 player posting a .307/88/10/72/27 line in the same season. This year really isn't much closer either, Pujols is still quite a bit better.
First off, you don't get to play with last year's numbers, and you certainly don't play with the numbers from two years ago. As for Pujols, right now I'd pass him up for both Wright AND Votto. I don't see this as a fluke year from Votto - he's just a monster. Wright has been hot and cold all season, but I expect another big time hot streak before the season. That would put 30/30 still in play, though 25/25 much more likely (though for some reason the Mets arent running as much as they did early in the year so I think the steals are less likely) No other 3B eligible NL player is going to come close to that production. So yeah, if you ignore positions then you clearly want Pujols, and he's the safest pick to put at the top. Its not like Im predicting some massive slide from the man, Im just not placing him at the absolute top of the fantasy world.
Any openings in your league?
 
His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed.
If you hold the #1 pick in an NL-only redraft next season and you pass on Pujols, let me know. This is one of those things that you can come up with straw man arguments to talk yourself into drafting someone else just for "something different' since he's been the best player in baseball for the better part of a decade. But when push comes to shove on draft day, you'll take the safety of Pujols.ETA: Clear this up for me a little. In your words, Pujols showed signs of "being mortal" last season with a .327/124/47/135/16 5x5 line. Meanwhile, David Wright is your #1 player posting a .307/88/10/72/27 line in the same season. This year really isn't much closer either, Pujols is still quite a bit better.
First off, you don't get to play with last year's numbers, and you certainly don't play with the numbers from two years ago. As for Pujols, right now I'd pass him up for both Wright AND Votto. I don't see this as a fluke year from Votto - he's just a monster. Wright has been hot and cold all season, but I expect another big time hot streak before the season. That would put 30/30 still in play, though 25/25 much more likely (though for some reason the Mets arent running as much as they did early in the year so I think the steals are less likely) No other 3B eligible NL player is going to come close to that production. So yeah, if you ignore positions then you clearly want Pujols, and he's the safest pick to put at the top. Its not like Im predicting some massive slide from the man, Im just not placing him at the absolute top of the fantasy world.
I'm not the person that brought up 2009, you did. Although you'd be a fool not to use 2009 and 2010 numbers to reasonably predict potential 2011 outputs. That's pretty much the only tangible thing you have to base projections on at this point. I simply wondered what part of that monstrous MVP season signaled signs of "mortality" to you, because it dwarfs anything Votto or Wright have ever thought about producing. He'd have to have a "massive slide" to drop to being on par with Wright's CitiField levels. As far as positional scarcity goes in term of Wright being the top dog at 3B, I could make an argument that Zimmerman is closer to the value of Wright than Wright is to Pujols.
 
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His overall numbers this year are still great, but he has shown signs of being mortal the last two seasons with somewhat protracted slumps (well, slumps by his standards) And citing his back problems is hardly a reason to boost his value. Back problems don't improve, they get managed.
If you hold the #1 pick in an NL-only redraft next season and you pass on Pujols, let me know. This is one of those things that you can come up with straw man arguments to talk yourself into drafting someone else just for "something different' since he's been the best player in baseball for the better part of a decade. But when push comes to shove on draft day, you'll take the safety of Pujols.ETA: Clear this up for me a little. In your words, Pujols showed signs of "being mortal" last season with a .327/124/47/135/16 5x5 line. Meanwhile, David Wright is your #1 player posting a .307/88/10/72/27 line in the same season. This year really isn't much closer either, Pujols is still quite a bit better.
First off, you don't get to play with last year's numbers, and you certainly don't play with the numbers from two years ago. As for Pujols, right now I'd pass him up for both Wright AND Votto. I don't see this as a fluke year from Votto - he's just a monster. Wright has been hot and cold all season, but I expect another big time hot streak before the season. That would put 30/30 still in play, though 25/25 much more likely (though for some reason the Mets arent running as much as they did early in the year so I think the steals are less likely) No other 3B eligible NL player is going to come close to that production. So yeah, if you ignore positions then you clearly want Pujols, and he's the safest pick to put at the top. Its not like Im predicting some massive slide from the man, Im just not placing him at the absolute top of the fantasy world.
I'm not the person that brought up 2009, you did. Although you'd be a fool not to use 2009 and 2010 numbers to reasonably predict potential 2011 outputs. That's pretty much the only tangible thing you have to base projections on at this point. I simply wondered what part of that monstrous MVP season signaled signs of "mortality" to you, because it dwarfs anything Votto or Wright have ever thought about producing. He'd have to have a "massive slide" to drop to being on par with Wright's CitiField levels. As far as positional scarcity goes in term of Wright being the top dog at 3B, I could make an argument that Zimmerman is closer to the value of Wright than Wright is to Pujols.
I am using prior year's numbers, but Im using them for projections. Im just not penciling prior numbers into the next season. Albert hit his last HR on Sept 9 last season. Including the playoffs his last game was Oct 10. This season his numbers are still great, especially relative to the league, but his rate stats are the worst they've been since his second year. The analogy you're looking for is that Zimmerman is closer to the value of Wright than Votto is to Pujols. I think thats debatable. I don't think its debatable that 1B is a much deeper position in NL only leagues than 3B. Atleast the projected NL starters at this point absent offseason movement.
 

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