Gov. Jerry Brown: California's deficit is gone (now w/ Surplus) (1 Viewer)

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

 

[cstu]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Once they secede we won't have to worry about them any longer.

That just opens up a whole other can of worms like how to stop illegal Southern immigration. Best to keep them on welfare I think.

 

[lod01]

California is minting $ 1 trillion coins too?

 

[bostonfred]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

 

[NCCommish]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

 

[Ursa M]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

 

[T Bell]

Not the same as the debt. Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Texas would be fine , right up until refineries and supporting ports were built elsewhere.

The truth is though, if they secede, they wont get to keep the land.

That property belongs to the United States of America. As does the military.

Maybe they will be granted a strip in the middle east somewhere, like the Hebrews were.

 

[mad sweeney]

Heckuva job, Brownie!!!!!

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Not the same as the debt. Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

Debt obviously includes whats been carried over from previous years. But if you don't have a deficit, you can then start paying down the debt.Hell a single year of what California pays to the welfare-red states would wipe away ever bit of debt.

 

[T Bell]

Not the same as the debt.

Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

Debt obviously includes whats been carried over from previous years. But if you don't have a deficit, you can then start paying down the debt.

Hell a single year of what California pays to the welfare-red states would wipe away ever bit of debt.

If you're not just at break even, yes.

 

[GoFishTN]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Next time you see the list of states that receive the most tax dollars think about why Virginia might be so high on the list. Now apply that to the other states and maybe you can figure out what's really being shown.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

From what I read, the deficit was reduced with a combo of higher taxes AND austerity measures.

 

[T Bell]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

From what I read, the deficit was reduced with a combo of higher taxes AND austerity measures.

 

[pantagrapher]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

This is why outside dark-money groups poured so much money into California. They needed it to fail. If a state that big can quickly reduce a massive deficit with tax hikes, well, you can see why many special interests would not want such a thing to happen.

 

[NCCommish]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

Texas hasn't been a net payer since W was in office. Last thing I saw put them at 1.19 back for every dollar put in. Certainly not the biggest taker, that would be New Mexico at 2.63 back for every dollar in, but still getting more than they pay.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Next time you see the list of states that receive the most tax dollars think about why Virginia might be so high on the list. Now apply that to the other states and maybe you can figure out what's really being shown.

We know that Virginia has a ton of federal workings in its state. Which is fine.

But don't think for a minute that that unique situation extends to places like Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi or Louisiana.

 

[GoFishTN]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Next time you see the list of states that receive the most tax dollars think about why Virginia might be so high on the list. Now apply that to the other states and maybe you can figure out what's really being shown.

We know that Virginia has a ton of federal workings in its state. Which is fine.

But don't think for a minute that that unique situation extends to places like Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi or Louisiana.

Hunstville is 5th on the list for military spending. You can look the rest up yourself.

 

[RCon]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Funny how liberals endorse ever more progressive tax structures for personal and corporate taxes, yet never cease complaining about the federal budget being spent in a progressive manner.

 

[drummer]

Not the same as the debt. Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

Oh yeah they have.

 

[timschochet]

I'm actually pleased with Gov. Brown this time around. I voted for prop. 30. Most of my conservative friends did not. The higher taxes and spending cuts solve our deficit problem- for now. The debt is still there. But more importantly, we're facing a real problem in the future with the pensions that will be coming due. I have no idea how we're going to deal with that, and I don't think anyone in the legislature does, either.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Next time you see the list of states that receive the most tax dollars think about why Virginia might be so high on the list. Now apply that to the other states and maybe you can figure out what's really being shown.

We know that Virginia has a ton of federal workings in its state. Which is fine.

But don't think for a minute that that unique situation extends to places like Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi or Louisiana.

Hunstville is 5th on the list for military spending. You can look the rest up yourself.

Without the FEDERAL military spending, Alabama would be damn near defunct. Which is exactly my point.They get 12 billion just on military funds for the state.

They get 13 billion more... for a total of 25 billion above and beyond anything they paid out.

And yet they still run a 2 billion dollar deficit.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Funny how liberals endorse ever more progressive tax structures for personal and corporate taxes, yet never cease complaining about the federal budget being spent in a progressive manner.

We have to pay for he rest of the welfare-conservative states somehow.

 

[Joe T]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

This is why outside dark-money groups poured so much money into California. They needed it to fail. If a state that big can quickly reduce a massive deficit with tax hikes, well, you can see why many special interests would not want such a thing to happen.

lolz. Good stuff.

 

[BigSteelThrill]

I'm actually pleased with Gov. Brown this time around. I voted for prop. 30. Most of my conservative friends did not.

The higher taxes and spending cuts solve our deficit problem- for now. The debt is still there. But more importantly, we're facing a real problem in the future with the pensions that will be coming due. I have no idea how we're going to deal with that, and I don't think anyone in the legislature does, either.

Get the Fed to allow California to keep the 70 billion it ships out to the red-welfare states for a single year.

 

[whoknew]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

Texas hasn't been a net payer since W was in office. Last thing I saw put them at 1.19 back for every dollar put in. Certainly not the biggest taker, that would be New Mexico at 2.63 back for every dollar in, but still getting more than they pay.

This map is wrong?

 

[GoFishTN]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.

Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending.

"California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Next time you see the list of states that receive the most tax dollars think about why Virginia might be so high on the list. Now apply that to the other states and maybe you can figure out what's really being shown.

We know that Virginia has a ton of federal workings in its state. Which is fine.

But don't think for a minute that that unique situation extends to places like Alabama, Oklahoma, Mississippi or Louisiana.

Hunstville is 5th on the list for military spending. You can look the rest up yourself.

Without the FEDERAL military spending, Alabama would be damn near defunct. Which is exactly my point.They get 12 billion just on military funds for the state.

They get 13 billion more... for a total of 25 billion above and beyond anything they paid out.

And yet they still run a 2 billion dollar deficit.

Your point was that the money conservative states are receiving is simply welfare from the government. That is incorrect.

 

[phrozen]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

This is why outside dark-money groups poured so much money into California. They needed it to fail. If a state that big can quickly reduce a massive deficit with tax hikes, well, you can see why many special interests would not want such a thing to happen.

it was a combination of tax hikes and spending cutsHopefully the feds can learn from CA and accomplish both.

 

[jonessed]

These budget forecasts always rely heavily on very optimistic Wall Street performance. Since so much of California's tax revenue is generated from capital gains, swings in Wall Street have very large impacts on the budget. When Facebook didn't hit the estimated $35/share that California had written in that alone blew a few billion dollars out of the budget.

 

[Black Box]

I hope it works out for CA, but frankly, I don't believe it.

 

[Joe T]

I guess I'll get sucked in and ask for a link. According to this, California is a net taker of federal taxes.

My link

Note: I have no knowledge on the authority of the link its just the first one that popped up on google.

 

[Novice2]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

Texas hasn't been a net payer since W was in office. Last thing I saw put them at 1.19 back for every dollar put in. Certainly not the biggest taker, that would be New Mexico at 2.63 back for every dollar in, but still getting more than they pay.

This map is wrong?

So the OP is in here complaining California gets back an extra 9 pennies in taxes than it sends? They are not paying their fair share!

 

[Joe T]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

This is why outside dark-money groups poured so much money into California. They needed it to fail. If a state that big can quickly reduce a massive deficit with tax hikes, well, you can see why many special interests would not want such a thing to happen.

it was a combination of tax hikes and spending cutsHopefully the feds can learn from CA and accomplish both.

It was also due to the fact that the economy in general is improving. Saying California balanced their budget due to tax hikes and spending cuts alone is not just misleading, it's incredibly dumb. And it keeps getting repeated by the usual people in this thread.

 

[shader]

I'm actually pleased with Gov. Brown this time around. I voted for prop. 30. Most of my conservative friends did not. The higher taxes and spending cuts solve our deficit problem- for now. The debt is still there. But more importantly, we're facing a real problem in the future with the pensions that will be coming due. I have no idea how we're going to deal with that, and I don't think anyone in the legislature does, either.

There is no solution to the pension problem.

 

[FlapJacks]

Not the same as the debt. Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

so you're saying that cost-cutting is part of the picture?

 

[FlapJacks]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

From what I read, the deficit was reduced with a combo of higher taxes AND austerity measures.

but but but we've been told that austerity doesn't work

 

[Joe T]

I'm actually pleased with Gov. Brown this time around. I voted for prop. 30. Most of my conservative friends did not.

The higher taxes and spending cuts solve our deficit problem- for now. The debt is still there. But more importantly, we're facing a real problem in the future with the pensions that will be coming due. I have no idea how we're going to deal with that, and I don't think anyone in the legislature does, either.

Get the Fed to allow California to keep the 70 billion it ships out to the red-welfare states for a single year.

 

[17seconds]

Doesn't surprise me. Brown has been tax happy

 

[DiStefano]

Reminds me of the time we put my wife on a strict budget. Somehow, it didn't quite work out as planned.

 

[Joe T]

Raising taxes helps to close deficits.

From what I read, the deficit was reduced with a combo of higher taxes AND austerity measures.

but but but we've been told that austerity doesn't work

dark money is pouring into california hoping it will fail to prove austerity doesn't work. Don't you see special interests are all over this.

 

[RCon]

I'm actually pleased with Gov. Brown this time around. I voted for prop. 30. Most of my conservative friends did not.

The higher taxes and spending cuts solve our deficit problem- for now. The debt is still there. But more importantly, we're facing a real problem in the future with the pensions that will be coming due. I have no idea how we're going to deal with that, and I don't think anyone in the legislature does, either.

Get the Fed to allow California to keep the 70 billion it ships out to the red-welfare states for a single year.

No more progressive spending by the federal government for no more progressive taxation. Deal?Edit to add: I don't actually advocate for either of the above things, I just find it odd that liberals advocate for one but not the other.

 

[sporthenry]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Funny how liberals endorse ever more progressive tax structures for personal and corporate taxes, yet never cease complaining about the federal budget being spent in a progressive manner.

I don't think they care so much about it being spent in the progressive manner but the fact that it is spent on people who vote tooth and nail against their policies. They don't really want it to change per se, but they want the other side to recognize the benefit they receive. It is just amazing how these states break for Republicans when they are some of the biggest users of the welfare they are so adamantly against.

 

[Joe T]

BST: But all those red states like Alabama need to thank California for all the money it gets from the Fed.Me: California takes in more than it gives.BST:

 

[NCCommish]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

Texas hasn't been a net payer since W was in office. Last thing I saw put them at 1.19 back for every dollar put in. Certainly not the biggest taker, that would be New Mexico at 2.63 back for every dollar in, but still getting more than they pay.

This map is wrong?

The numbers are old.

 

[RCon]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Funny how liberals endorse ever more progressive tax structures for personal and corporate taxes, yet never cease complaining about the federal budget being spent in a progressive manner.

I don't think they care so much about it being spent in the progressive manner but the fact that it is spent on people who vote tooth and nail against their policies. They don't really want it to change per se, but they want the other side to recognize the benefit they receive. It is just amazing how these states break for Republicans when they are some of the biggest users of the welfare they are so adamantly against.

I don't know, it seems as if liberals like BigSteelThrill and the New York Times never stop complaining that NY, CT, etc. pay more to the federal government than they get back. Living in a very blue state, it's a constant drumbeat that the state should get back more from the feds.Personally, I advocate for the feds not taking so much from the states in the first place. Leave states in charge of education, drug policy, etc.

 

[Joe T]

Texas would be fine. Some of the other red states would start to have troubles when they had all kinds of guns and no more money.

Pretty sure about 1/3 of Texas' budget is covered by the feds. They may not be so fine.

I think TX is alone among red states as being a net payer into FedGov.

Texas hasn't been a net payer since W was in office. Last thing I saw put them at 1.19 back for every dollar put in. Certainly not the biggest taker, that would be New Mexico at 2.63 back for every dollar in, but still getting more than they pay.

This map is wrong?

The numbers are old.

Do you have a better link?

 

[NCCommish]

http://www.sfgate.com/bayarea/article/Jerry-Brown-California-s-deficit-is-gone-4183371.php

For the first time in five years, California is not facing a deficit as Gov. Jerry Brown and lawmakers work to put together a spending plan for the next fiscal year.Brown released his budget Thursday morning for the 2013-2014 fiscal year, proposing a $97.7 billion plan that is 5 percent higher than the current year's spending."California today is poised to achieve something that has eluded us for more than a decade - a budget that lives within its means, now and for many years to come," the governor wrote in his budget message to the Legislature, saying voters made this possible by approving Proposition 30.

And yet California (along with other liberal states, like New York and Illinois) is still paying for the red-welfare conservative states to financially exist.

Funny how liberals endorse ever more progressive tax structures for personal and corporate taxes, yet never cease complaining about the federal budget being spent in a progressive manner.

I don't think they care so much about it being spent in the progressive manner but the fact that it is spent on people who vote tooth and nail against their policies. They don't really want it to change per se, but they want the other side to recognize the benefit they receive. It is just amazing how these states break for Republicans when they are some of the biggest users of the welfare they are so adamantly against.

I don't know, it seems as if liberals like BigSteelThrill and the New York Times never stop complaining that NY, CT, etc. pay more to the federal government than they get back. Living in a very blue state, it's a constant drumbeat that the state should get back more from the feds.Personally, I advocate for the feds not taking so much from the states in the first place. Leave states in charge of education, drug policy, etc.

Yeah liberals complain about conservatives who vote against the very programs that keep their states afloat. Kind of like the guys carrying the "keep the governments hands off my medicaid". Low information yahoos who have no idea what side their bread is buttered on but they know they hate them some socialism. Now if they only knew what socialism was.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

This map is wrong?

The numbers are old.

You mean there are some years when some states are takers and then other years that they're givers?Interesting.

 

[T Bell]

Not the same as the debt. Also, California has massively cut back on a variety of social services, pretty much across the board. I know the courts are taking it in the rear end - closed departments and even courthouses, cases piling up in courtrooms. It's going to be years before most cases can go to trial.

so you're saying that cost-cutting is part of the picture?

Yes, with tax hikes.