Grading the quarterbacking units (1 Viewer)

[Despyzer]

TSN grades each unit in their annual preview guide. Here are the quarterbacking units:

A

Bengals

Colts

Patriots

Steelers

Chargers

Saints

A-

Buccaneers

B+

Jaguars

Cowboys

Giants

B

Broncos

Texans

Cardinals

Eagles

Rams

B-

Browns

Seahawks

C+

Jets

Titans

C

Bills

Raiders

Falcons

Panthers

Vikings

49ers

Redskins

C-

Ravens

Lions

Packers

D+

Bears

D

Chiefs

Dolphins

 

[Andy Herron]

Browns listed twice, at B and B-.

Is one supposed to be the Broncos? They are missing.

 

[Jeff Haseley]

This is all over the place IMO. Borderline lack of knowledge here

No offense to the Vikings fans, but they should be no higher than a D.
Phillip Rivers an A?
Jeff Garcia an A-?
Tony Romo only a B+?
Jason Campbell only a C?

 

[Despyzer]

Browns listed twice, at B and B-.Is one supposed to be the Broncos? They are missing.

Fixed. Thanks.

 

[Despyzer]

Phillip Rivers an A?
Jeff Garcia an A-?
Tony Romo only a B+?
Jason Campbell only a C?

No. The units were rated, not just the individual starters.However, Rivers deserves the same bump that Eli got for his playoff performance, especially considering he probably played better and most of his weapons were seriously injured.

Garcia did manage to post the third best passer rating in the NFC despite the fact that he was working with nothing on offense last year.

Romo is overrated.

What has Campbell accomplished?

 

[Jeff Haseley]

Phillip Rivers an A?
Jeff Garcia an A-?
Tony Romo only a B+?
Jason Campbell only a C?

No. The units were rated, not just the individual starters.However, Rivers deserves the same bump that Eli got for his playoff performance, especially considering he probably played better and most of his weapons were seriously injured.

Garcia did manage to post the third best passer rating in the NFC despite the fact that he was working with nothing on offense last year.

Romo is overrated.

What has Campbell accomplished?

I won't get into everything with the others, but Campbell finished as the 17th ranked QB despite playing in only 13 games. He has a new pass oriented HC in Jim Zorn and the Skins drafted heavy at WR to bolster their receiving corps. Campbell will finish in the top 15 in 2008 and perhaps even higher. He'll finish ahead of Jeff Garcia, I'll say that much.

 

[ScottyFargo]

Does being the one to replace #4 suck or what. How many "Favre wants to return" stories are we gonna have to endure?

Depends on how empty Chris Mortenson's calendar is between now and late August.

This is all over the place IMO. Borderline lack of knowledge here

No offense to the Vikings fans, but they should be no higher than a D.

Last year, they were an F. This year Frerotte is surely a more capable backup than Holcomb, and I can only imagine that J.D. Booty will be leapyears ahead of the talent that Brooks Bollinger brings to the table. Even with those two marginal upgrades, Tarvaris has to gain a lot of room to step up to average this year. I expect him to grow, but you're right, it's too early to call him an average NFL QB yet, his late year improvement notwithstanding.

 

[valhallan]

This is all over the place IMO. Borderline lack of knowledge here

It's TSN - they're Canadian. None of these lists have made any sense.

 

[Bankerguy]

This is all over the place IMO. Borderline lack of knowledge here

It's TSN - they're Canadian. None of these lists have made any sense.

The Sporting News is AmercianThe Sports Network is Canadian.This is the worst list so far I've seen compared with other position analysis.

 

[ukshane]

Phililp Rivers is 19 spots ahead of Jake Delhomme.

 

[Master of Past and Present]

Phililp Rivers is 19 spots ahead of Jake Delhomme.

I'm a Falcons fan who thinks it is funny that Ryan plus crap rates as good as the Panthers QBs. Also find it funny that our crap plus unproven rookie is better than Green Bay's Rodgers plus unproven rookie Brohm.

 

[sfl49er]

Phillip Rivers an A?
Jeff Garcia an A-?
Tony Romo only a B+?
Jason Campbell only a C?

No. The units were rated, not just the individual starters.However, Rivers deserves the same bump that Eli got for his playoff performance, especially considering he probably played better and most of his weapons were seriously injured.

Garcia did manage to post the third best passer rating in the NFC despite the fact that he was working with nothing on offense last year.

Romo is overrated.

What has Campbell accomplished?

I won't get into everything with the others, but Campbell finished as the 17th ranked QB despite playing in only 13 games. He has a new pass oriented HC in Jim Zorn and the Skins drafted heavy at WR to bolster their receiving corps. Campbell will finish in the top 15 in 2008 and perhaps even higher. He'll finish ahead of Jeff Garcia, I'll say that much.

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

I can only hope to find a copy of TSN's fantasy rankings, print it out, and distribute to all competitors who want last minute advice.

 

[SSOG]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

 

[Despyzer]

I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots

I think you might be reading this wrong.

 

[Tyrion]

Yeah just 4200 yard with 36 TDs in only his second year as a starter and first year with a brand new Offensive coordinator. I can see why Romo is rated below Rivers and Garcia....

 

[SSOG]

I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots

I think you might be reading this wrong.

I don't think so. Yes, the Bengals, Patriots, and Colts all had "A" grades, but the Bengals appear ahead of both franchises in order under the "A" heading. There has to be some logic behind the order, and clearly it's not alphabetical, so I'm assuming that they ranked the 32 franchise and then broke them into letter-graded tiers. I'd hope to find something that suggests otherwise, but as of yet I haven't.

 

[valhallan]

I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots

I think you might be reading this wrong.

I don't think so. Yes, the Bengals, Patriots, and Colts all had "A" grades, but the Bengals appear ahead of both franchises in order under the "A" heading. There has to be some logic behind the order, and clearly it's not alphabetical, so I'm assuming that they ranked the 32 franchise and then broke them into letter-graded tiers. I'd hope to find something that suggests otherwise, but as of yet I haven't.

Maybe they like Carson in a dynasty?None of these make sense.

 

[Despyzer]

I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots

I think you might be reading this wrong.

I don't think so. Yes, the Bengals, Patriots, and Colts all had "A" grades, but the Bengals appear ahead of both franchises in order under the "A" heading. There has to be some logic behind the order, and clearly it's not alphabetical, so I'm assuming that they ranked the 32 franchise and then broke them into letter-graded tiers. I'd hope to find something that suggests otherwise, but as of yet I haven't.

This list does not appear in this form in the magazine. They listed all the teams in the AFC alphabetically and then all the NFC teams alphabetically. The grades are actually kind of an afterthought provided with the analysis of the units of each team. The tier listed as "A" may have never even been compared to one another as I believe the grades were issued in isolation. This is pointed out in almost every one of these threads.

 

[sholditch]

This is all over the place IMO. Borderline lack of knowledge here

It's TSN - they're Canadian. None of these lists have made any sense.

and scene...

 

[T Bell]

Phillip Rivers an A?
Jeff Garcia an A-?
Tony Romo only a B+?
Jason Campbell only a C?

No. The units were rated, not just the individual starters.However, Rivers deserves the same bump that Eli got for his playoff performance, especially considering he probably played better and most of his weapons were seriously injured.

Garcia did manage to post the third best passer rating in the NFC despite the fact that he was working with nothing on offense last year.

Romo is overrated.

What has Campbell accomplished?

I won't get into everything with the others, but Campbell finished as the 17th ranked QB despite playing in only 13 games. He has a new pass oriented HC in Jim Zorn and the Skins drafted heavy at WR to bolster their receiving corps. Campbell will finish in the top 15 in 2008 and perhaps even higher. He'll finish ahead of Jeff Garcia, I'll say that much.

More to the point, Todd Collins is an above-average backup who led them into the playoffs last year. I also can't figure out how, if the Redskins are a "C", the Falcons are too*. Explain that one to me.*I just saw that the Packers are rated a "C-". These ratings are a joke.

 

[SSOG]

I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots

I think you might be reading this wrong.

I don't think so. Yes, the Bengals, Patriots, and Colts all had "A" grades, but the Bengals appear ahead of both franchises in order under the "A" heading. There has to be some logic behind the order, and clearly it's not alphabetical, so I'm assuming that they ranked the 32 franchise and then broke them into letter-graded tiers. I'd hope to find something that suggests otherwise, but as of yet I haven't.

This list does not appear in this form in the magazine. They listed all the teams in the AFC alphabetically and then all the NFC teams alphabetically. The grades are actually kind of an afterthought provided with the analysis of the units of each team. The tier listed as "A" may have never even been compared to one another as I believe the grades were issued in isolation. This is pointed out in almost every one of these threads.

I hadn't read any of the other threads, other than the briefly glance at the rankings.

 

[sfl49er]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

 

[SSOG]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

 

[sfl49er]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

 

[Despyzer]

If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!

 

[T Bell]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

Mercy, Garcia will pass for THREE thousand whole yards! Whew, you sure do go out on a limb there!

 

[vandyt]

Why are people judging these from a fantasy perspective?

Fantasy =/= NFL, people.

 

[renesauz]

I can't believe we're still discussing TSN's rankings. Every set has been screwed up for different reasons...the biggest being consistancy. Certain teams in these QB rankings have been knocked up or down based on depth, while others stand out as sore thumbs for being ranked without dpeth considered.

CASE IN POINT:

Tampa has a ton of QB depth, and is ranked high (A-), but there are no less then 4 QB's below him that even the biggest Tampa homr would consider better QB's. Obviously, A- is for depth.

McNabb is a controversial QB right now, but very few would rank him lower then the 12th best QB in the land, let alone 14th. The backups? Veteran AJ Feely, a sometime starter who could still start for several teams, and second year player Kolb... heir apparent and considered a future stud in the making by many. So...how is Philly ranked so low????? One could argue McNabb at that spot (with limited success), but Philly has one of the BEST QB benches in the league.

My rant isn't really about where any particular player or team is ranked....but about how obvious it is that the rating standards were NOT consistant. Without consistancy, they are worthless.

Can we please put these TSN threads to rest already??????

 

[tfz2008]

Should the Chargers be ranked with the Colts and higher than the Giants and Cowboys?

 

[BigSteelThrill]

Should the Chargers be ranked with the Colts and higher than the Giants and Cowboys?

Hell no.

 

[sfl49er]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

Mercy, Garcia will pass for THREE thousand whole yards! Whew, you sure do go out on a limb there!

Look, another sarcastic person. A man once said that if someone is constantly criticizing another, then that man's issue is really that he's not happy with his own. You sarcastic ones should try to accept anyones word if you want to be a part of a topic, and positive things instead may get you the flatter you seem to be seeking

 

[T Bell]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

Mercy, Garcia will pass for THREE thousand whole yards! Whew, you sure do go out on a limb there!

Look, another sarcastic person. A man once said that if someone is constantly criticizing another, then that man's issue is really that he's not happy with his own. You sarcastic ones should try to accept anyones word if you want to be a part of a topic, and positive things instead may get you the flatter you seem to be seeking

You're the guy who's saying that he's the 5th best QB in the NFL - better than Brees, Palmer, et al - and yet to support that you predict that he passes for 3000 yards, which is not exactly lighting the world on fire. My sarcasm isn't the problem here.

 

[sfl49er]

Jeff Garcia can play football. He may not have the most style, strength or speed but the man can win you some football games. He has proved himself. And the Bucs will have a decent passing game this year no matter who the receivers are-- because of JG. He should get an A.

Is Jeff Garcia the 7th best QB in the NFL? That's where they have him ranked right now.I understand that these are "unit rankings", and that's why the Bengals rate ahead of the Colts and Patriots (puh-leeze) and other such nonsense... but quantity does not equal quality, or else they would have rated the Broncos receivers far higher than they did.

I think, and I'll say this again, I think Jeff is a way better qb than Drew Brees, has had a better career than Carson Palmer, and better than Philip Rivers too. If he and Rivers had to sling it out for a starting position on the Chargers squad, I really believe Norv would go with Garcia-any day of the week!I rank Eli higher than JG.

I say McNabb, Romo and Garcia are equal in talent and grading.

So the answer to your question is No, I feel he's in a three way tie at the #5 position!

We're talking about the same Jeff Garcia who once posted a 0.0 QB rating in Cleveland and averaged 5.4 yards per attempt in Detroit, right? And the same Eli Manning who ranks 27th out of all active passers in career passer rating (that's just out of ACTIVE passers!), the guy who led the league in Interceptions and whose career high ypa is 6.8, right? I mean, I haven't fallen asleep and woken up in some bizarro world where Garcia's still in his prime and Eli doesn't suck, have I?

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

Mercy, Garcia will pass for THREE thousand whole yards! Whew, you sure do go out on a limb there!

Look, another sarcastic person. A man once said that if someone is constantly criticizing another, then that man's issue is really that he's not happy with his own. You sarcastic ones should try to accept anyones word if you want to be a part of a topic, and positive things instead may get you the flatter you seem to be seeking

You're the guy who's saying that he's the 5th best QB in the NFL - better than Brees, Palmer, et al - and yet to support that you predict that he passes for 3000 yards, which is not exactly lighting the world on fire. My sarcasm isn't the problem here.

Thats my point with your comments--you're trying to find a problem in anything you dont agree with that someone else writes about. Just because I said he would throw 3000, you take it as if i dont think he would get more. He's on a balanced team and could very well get 3600 or more..., Are you happy? I do think JG will pass for more yards than Brees, Palmer, and McNabb this year if they play the same amount of games. You say my opinions are the problem??? How about just try to speak with positive influence towards another member instead of trying to break down their thoughts. I know you have more important things to do with your time.

 

[GoBirds]

Buccaneers A-

Are these people on drugs and where do they get them?

 

[SSOG]

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS != top 5 QBs.Even if Eli will continue to improve for the next three seasons (and I'd argue that historical data suggests that a QB should be plateauing at his 7th season, not still improving), that doesn't mean anything for how valuable he is RIGHT NOW. These aren't rankings of how good the QBs are long-term (or Garcia at 7th would be even MORE asinine), these are snapshots of how the QBs are RIGHT NOW. Eli could do all the improving in the world between next year and the year after, that doesn't mean he should be in the top 5 right now.

How about just try to speak with positive influence towards another member instead of trying to break down their thoughts. I know you have more important things to do with your time.

I'm not trying to break down anyone's thoughts, or hurt anyone's feelings, or anything, but I certainly don't come to FBGs to be a positive influence in someone's life, either. I come here for well-reasoned discussion on a variety of football-related topics. If you want to post an opinion that I think is so totally off the wall as to be incomprehensible, then more power to you- some of my favorite posts are exactly that. All I ask is that you be willing to defend your opinion with some sort of substance when it's called into question.You think Jeff Garcia is one of the top 5 QBs in the league? Okay, that's fine... just tell me why. Do you like his skillset? Can he make plays that other players can't? Is he a consummate leader? Clutch? Cool under pressure? Good at developing his WRs? If Eli's such a good QB, why does he have such terrible YPAs, INT%s, and QB Ratings? Do you have anything of any substance to support these beliefs, or are you just throwing these incredibly counter-intuitive opinions out there and refusing to defend them when they're called into question?

 

[sfl49er]

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS != top 5 QBs.Even if Eli will continue to improve for the next three seasons (and I'd argue that historical data suggests that a QB should be plateauing at his 7th season, not still improving), that doesn't mean anything for how valuable he is RIGHT NOW. These aren't rankings of how good the QBs are long-term (or Garcia at 7th would be even MORE asinine), these are snapshots of how the QBs are RIGHT NOW. Eli could do all the improving in the world between next year and the year after, that doesn't mean he should be in the top 5 right now.

How about just try to speak with positive influence towards another member instead of trying to break down their thoughts. I know you have more important things to do with your time.

I'm not trying to break down anyone's thoughts, or hurt anyone's feelings, or anything, but I certainly don't come to FBGs to be a positive influence in someone's life, either. I come here for well-reasoned discussion on a variety of football-related topics. If you want to post an opinion that I think is so totally off the wall as to be incomprehensible, then more power to you- some of my favorite posts are exactly that. All I ask is that you be willing to defend your opinion with some sort of substance when it's called into question.You think Jeff Garcia is one of the top 5 QBs in the league? Okay, that's fine... just tell me why. Do you like his skillset? Can he make plays that other players can't? Is he a consummate leader? Clutch? Cool under pressure? Good at developing his WRs? If Eli's such a good QB, why does he have such terrible YPAs, INT%s, and QB Ratings? Do you have anything of any substance to support these beliefs, or are you just throwing these incredibly counter-intuitive opinions out there and refusing to defend them when they're called into question?

I watch the games. I see this Eli who doesnt have great numbers go into GB, Tampa, Dallas and outplay all those quarterbacks to WIN. Thats my def of a great quarterback. Heck, people think Favre is in the top three all time, but look at his interception record... I get back to you after work

 

[SSOG]

Good that you know some stats, but state all the facts too buddy. I'm saying JG can still pass for three thousand and Eli will continue to improve for the next three years so they both get my vote as VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS!

VERY VALUABLE QUARTERBACKS != top 5 QBs.Even if Eli will continue to improve for the next three seasons (and I'd argue that historical data suggests that a QB should be plateauing at his 7th season, not still improving), that doesn't mean anything for how valuable he is RIGHT NOW. These aren't rankings of how good the QBs are long-term (or Garcia at 7th would be even MORE asinine), these are snapshots of how the QBs are RIGHT NOW. Eli could do all the improving in the world between next year and the year after, that doesn't mean he should be in the top 5 right now.

How about just try to speak with positive influence towards another member instead of trying to break down their thoughts. I know you have more important things to do with your time.

I'm not trying to break down anyone's thoughts, or hurt anyone's feelings, or anything, but I certainly don't come to FBGs to be a positive influence in someone's life, either. I come here for well-reasoned discussion on a variety of football-related topics. If you want to post an opinion that I think is so totally off the wall as to be incomprehensible, then more power to you- some of my favorite posts are exactly that. All I ask is that you be willing to defend your opinion with some sort of substance when it's called into question.You think Jeff Garcia is one of the top 5 QBs in the league? Okay, that's fine... just tell me why. Do you like his skillset? Can he make plays that other players can't? Is he a consummate leader? Clutch? Cool under pressure? Good at developing his WRs? If Eli's such a good QB, why does he have such terrible YPAs, INT%s, and QB Ratings? Do you have anything of any substance to support these beliefs, or are you just throwing these incredibly counter-intuitive opinions out there and refusing to defend them when they're called into question?

I watch the games. I see this Eli who doesnt have great numbers go into GB, Tampa, Dallas and outplay all those quarterbacks to WIN. Thats my def of a great quarterback. Heck, people think Favre is in the top three all time, but look at his interception record... I get back to you after work

So a QB has a good 3-game stretch and that makes him one of the top 5 QBs in the league? What about the positively BRUTAL 5-game stretch before the playoffs when his QB rating was 34, 63, 88, 51, and 32, and he threw 4 TDs against 8 INTs. Was he one of the 5 worst QBs in the league immediately after that stretch?And what about Rex Grossman? During his first 5 games of 2006, he put up QB ratings of 99, 148, 65, 101, and 101. Was he one of the 5 best QBs in the league after such a torrid start to the season? You could have said that he would have continued to improve over the next 3 years, too.Also, Brett Favre has 442 TDs vs 288 INTs, which is better than a 1.5:1 ratio. Eli has 77 TDs to 64 INTs, which is 1.2:1. Favre also has a 7.0 career ypa, while Eli has yet to average 7 yards per attempt in a single SEASON, let alone for his entire career. Favre's completion% is almost 7 points higher than Manning's, Favre owns all of the career records (wins, yards, TDs, etc), and, oh yeah, Favre is a 3-time MVP. Saying that Favre is considered one of the best QBs of all time despite throwing lots of INTs as justification for considering Eli Manning an elite QB despite throwing a lot of INTs is flimsy, because Favre does a *TON* of other really, really good stuff, while Eli doesn't.I watch the games, too. When I watch Eli Manning, I see a QB who doesn't make good decisions and who overthrows his receivers like it's his JOB. If he didn't have Plaxico Burress (one of the best overthrown ball catchers in the league), Manning's numbers would look way worse than they currently do. He's scatterbrained, scattershot, and inconsistent. He's one of the worst regular starters in the league (not journeymen or career backups, just regular starters), not one of the best.