Greatest MLB Baseball Draft (1 Viewer)

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1.01 Cicncy Kid Babe Ruth, RF

1.02 Hoos First Willie Mays, CF

1.03 Wikkidpissah Rogers Hornsby, 2b

1.04 Avoiding Injuries Ted Williams, LF

1.05 Pik95 Lou Gehrig, 1B

1.06 Greco Barry Bonds, LF

1.07 Rikishiboy Alex Rodriguez, SS

1.08 LarryBoy 44 Roger Clemens, P

1.09 DougB Walter Johnson, P

1.10 Derek245583 Mickey Mantle, CF

1.11 Horvy Ty Cobb, CF

1.12 Shake Zula Ken Griffey, JR. CF

1.13 TU/Koya Honus Wagner, SS

1.14 Usual 21 Christy Mathewson, P

1.15 SoCalBroncoFan Eddie Collins, 2B

1.16 Zow Hank Aaron, RF

2.01 Zow Stan Musial, LF

2.02 SoCalBroncoFan Jimmie Foxx, 1B

2.03 Usual 21 Joe DiMaggio, CF

2.04 TU/Koya Tris Speaker, CF

2.05 Shake Zula George Brett, 3B

2.06 Horvy Mike Schmidt, 3B

2.07 Derek245583 Lefty Grove, P

2.08 Doug B Pedro Martinez, P

2.09 LarryBoy 44 Greg Maddux, P

2.10 Rikishiboy Tom Seaver, P

2.11 Greco Frank Robinson, RF

2.12 Pik95 Ernie Banks, SS

2.13 Avoiding Injuries Joe Morgan, 2B

2.14 Wikkidpissah Sandy Koufax, P

2.15 Hoos First Albert Pujols, 1B

2.16 Cicncykid Pete Rose

3.01 Cicncy Kid Bob Feller, P

3.02 Hoos First Grover Alexander, P

3.03 Wikkidpissah Cy Young, P

3.04 Avoiding Injuries Warren Spahn, P

3.05 Pik95 Randy Johnson, P

3.06 Greco Steve Carlton, P

3.07 Rikishiboy Ricky Henderson, LF

3.08 LarryBoy 44 Ed Walsh, P

3.09 DougB Joe Jackson, LF

3.10 Derek245583 Bob Gibson, P

3.11 Horvy Jackie Robinson, 2b

3.12 Shake Zula Nolan Ryan, P

3.13 TU/Koya Carl Hubbell, P

3.14 Usual 21 Roberto Clemente, RF

3.15 SoCalBroncoFan Addie Joss, P

3.16 Zow Mel Ott, RF

4.01 Zow Juan Marichal, P

4.02 SoCalBroncoFan Dennis Eckersley, P

4.03 Usual 21 Whitey Ford, P

4.04 TU/Koya Napoleon Lajoie, 2B

4.05 Shake Zula Carl Yastrzemski, LF

4.06 Horvy Yogi Berra, C

4.07 Derek245583 Johnny Bench, C

4.08 Doug B Arky Vaughn, SS

4.09 LarryBoy 44 Frank Thomas, 1B

4.10 Rikishiboy Hank Greenberg, 1B

4.11 Greco Charlie Gehringer, 2B

4.12 Pik95 Mike Piazza, C

4.13 Avoiding Injuries Eddie Matthews, 3B

4.14 Wikkidpissah Willle McCovey, 1B

4.15 Hoos First Rod Carew, 2B

4.16 Cicncykid Duke Snider, CF

5.01 Cicncy Kid Roy Campenella, C

5.02 Hoos First Wade Boggs, 3B

5.03 Wikkidpissah Lou Brock, LF

5.04 Avoiding Injuries Jim Palmer, P

5.05 Pik95 Manny Ramirez, RF

5.06 Greco Harry Heilmann, CF

5.07 Rikishiboy Eddie Plank, P

5.08 LarryBoy 44 Ivan Rodriguez, C

5.09 DougB Johnny Mize, 1B

5.10 Derek245583 Al Simmons, LF

5.11 Horvy Tony Gwynn, RF

5.12 Shake Zula Rafael Palmiero, 1B

5.13 TU/Koya Mordecai Brown, P

5.14 Usual 21 Reggie Jackson, LF

5.15 SoCalBroncoFan Mark McGwire, DH

5.16 Zow Dizzy Dean, P

6.01 Zow Eddie Murray, 1b

6.02 SoCalBroncoFan Chipper Jones, 3B

6.03 Usual 21 George Sisler, 1B

6.04 TU/Koya Harmon Killebrew 3b

6.05 Shake Zula Ichiro Suzuki, LF

6.06 Horvy Robin Roberts, P

6.07 Derek245583 Paul Waner, RF

6.08 Doug B Rube Waddell, P

6.09 LarryBoy 44 **** Allen, 3B

6.10 Rikishiboy Roberto Alomar, 2B

6.11 Greco Don Sutton, P

6.12 Pik95 Joe Wood, P

6.13 Avoiding Injuries Mickey Cochrane, C

6.14 Wikkidpissah Cal Ripken, SS

6.15 Hoos First Mariano Rivera, P

6.16 Cicncykid Brooks Robinson, 3B

7.01 Cicncy Kid Robin Yount, SS

7.02 Hoos First Sammy Sosa, RF

7.03 Wikkidpissah Vlad Guerrero, RF

7.04 Avoiding Injuries Ozzie Smith, SS

7.05 Pik95 Fergie Jenkins, P

7.06 Greco Nomar Garciaparra, SS

7.07 Rikishiboy Pie Traynor, 3B

7.08 LarryBoy 44 Craig Biggio, 2B

7.09 DougB Jim Thome, DH

7.10 Derek245583 Gaylord Perry, P

7.11 Horvy Dazzy Vance, P

7.12 Shake Zula Catfish Hunter, P

7.13 TU/Koya Ralph Kiner, LF

7.14 Usual 21 Paul Molitor, 3B

7.15 SoCalBroncoFan Don Drysdale, P

7.16 Zow Phil Niekro, P

8.01 Zow Barry Larkin, SS

8.02 SoCalBroncoFan Johann Santana, P

8.03 Usual 21 Tom Glavine, P

8.04 TU/Koya Edgar Martinez, DH

8.05 Shake Zula Jeff Kent, 2B

8.06 Horvy Hal Newhouser, P

8.07 Derek245583 Jim Bunning, P

8.08 Doug B Hack Wilson, CF

8.09 LarryBoy 44 Derek Jeter, SS

8.10 Rikishiboy Kirby Puckett, CF

8.11 Greco Bill Terry, 1B

8.12 Pik95 Jeff Bagwell, 3B

8.13 Avoiding Injuries Todd Helton, 1B

8.14 Wikkidpissah Al Kaline, CF

8.15 Hoos First Albert Belle, LF

8.16 Cicncykid Franke Frisch, 2B

9.01 Cicncy Kid Cheif Bender, P

9.02 Hoos First Curt Schilling, P

9.03 Wikkidpissah Bill Dickey, C

9.04 Avoiding Injuries John Smoltz, P

9.05 Pik95 Ryne Sandberg, 2B

9.06 Greco Ron Santo, 3B

9.07 Rikishiboy Gary Sheffield, RF

9.08 LarryBoy 44 Rollie Fingers, P

9.09 DougB Gabby Hartnett, C

9.10 Derek245583 Lou Boudreau, SS

9.11 Horvy Willie Stargell, LF

9.12 Shake Zula Gary Carter, C

9.13 TU/Koya Chuck Klein, RF

9.14 Usual 21 Juan Gonzalez, DH

9.15 SoCalBroncoFan Joe Cronin, SS

9.16 Zow Bert Blyleven, P

10.01 Zow David Ortiz, DH

10.02 SoCalBroncoFan Carlton Fisk, C

10.03 Usual 21 Miguel Tejada, SS

10.04 TU/Koya Bruce Sutter, P

10.05 Shake Zula David Cone, P

10.06 Horvy Hoyt Wilhelm, P

10.07 Derek245583 Luis Tiant, P

10.08 Doug B Lance Berkman, RF

10.09 LarryBoy 44 Tim Raines, LF

10.10 Rikishiboy Early Wynn, SP

10.11 Greco Thurman Munson, C

10.12 Pik95 Home Run Baker, 3B

10.13 Avoiding Injuries Sam Crawford RF

10.14 Wikkidpissah Goose Gossage, P

10.15 Hoos First Mike Mussina, P

10.16 Cicncykid Jack Chesbro, P

11.01 Cicncy Kid Will Clark, 1B

11.02 Hoos First Vern Stephens, SS

11.03 Wikkidpissah Dwight Gooden, P

11.04 Avoiding Injuries Earl Averill, CF

11.05 Pik95 Billy Wagner, P

11.06 Greco Trevor Hoffman, P

11.07 Rikishiboy Jeff Reardon, P

11.08 LarryBoy 44 Dale Murphy, CF

11.09 DougB Scott Rolen, 3B

11.10 Derek245583 Carlos Delgado, 1B

11.11 Horvy Don Mattingly, 1B

11.12 Shake Zula Omar Visquel, SS

11.13 TU/Koya Lefty Gomez, P

11.14 Usual 21 Roy Oswalt, P

11.15 SoCalBroncoFan Jimmy Wynn, CF

11.16 Zow Jack Morris, P

12.01 Zow Fred Lynn, CF

12.02 SoCalBroncoFan Larry Walker, RF

12.03 Usual 21 Jorge Posada, C

12.04 TU/Koya Jason Giambi, 1b

12.05 Shake Zula Kevin Brown, P

12.06 Horvy Dave Winfield, DH

12.07 Derek245583 Bob Elliot, 3B

12.08 Doug B Ron Guidry, P

12.09 LarryBoy 44 Red Ruffing, P

12.10 Rikishiboy Sam McDowell, P

12.11 Greco Dave Parker, RF

12.12 Pik95 Bob Lemon, P

12.13 Avoiding Injuries Bret Saberhagen, P

12.14 Wikkidpissah Jim Rice, DH

12.15 Hoos First Bernie Williams, DH

12.16 Cicnykid Wes Ferrell, P

13.01 Cicncy Kid Dan Quisenberry, P

13.02 Hoos First John Franco, P

13.03 Wikkidpissah Bill Madlock, 3B

13.04 Avoiding Injuries Lee Smith, P

13.05 Pik95 Jim Edmonds, CF

13.06 Greco Don Newcombe, P

13.07 Rikishiboy Richie Ashburn, OF

13.08 LarryBoy 44 John Wetteland, P

13.09 DougB Tony Lazerri, 2b

13.10 Derek245583 Tug McGraw, P

13.11 Horvy Joe Medwick, OF

13.12 Shake Zula Daryl Strawberry, OF

13.13 TU/Koya Ernie Lombardi, C

13.14 Usual 21 Alfonso Soriano, 2b

13.15 SoCalBroncoFan Billy Williams, LF

13.16 Zow Larry Doby, OF

14.01 Zow Lou Whitaker, 2b

14.02 SoCalBroncoFan Spud Chandler, P

14.03 Usual 21 Dave Stewart, P

14.04 TU/Koya Stan Coveleski, P

14.05 Shake Zula

14.06 Horvy Eddie Cicotte, P

14.07 Derek245583 Bobby Grich, 2b

14.08 Doug B Troy Percival, P

14.09 LarryBoy 44 Carl Mays, P

14.10 Rikishiboy Mike Cuellar, P

14.11 Greco Denny McLain, P

14.12 Pik95 Lou Warneke, P

14.13 Avoiding Injuries Roy Halladay, P

14.14 Wikkidpissah Orel Hershisher, P

14.15 Hoos First Hippo Vaughn

14.16 Cicncykid Sparky Lyle, P

15.01 Cicncy Kid Ted Lyons, P

15.02 Hoos First Ted Simmons, C

15.03 Wikkidpissah Dave Righetti, P

15.04 Avoiding Injuries Andre Dawson, OF

15.05 Pik95 Minnie Minoso, LF

15.06 Greco Vida Blue, P

15.07 Rikishiboy Frank Howard, DH

15.08 LarryBoy 44 Bobby Bonds, RF

15.09 DougB Babe Adams, P

15.10 Derek245583 George Foster, DH

15.11 Horvy Alan Trammel,SS

15.12 Shake Zula

15.13 TU/Koya Joe McGinnity, P

15.14 Usual 21 Tom Henke, P

15.15 SoCalBroncoFan Kent Tekulve, P

15.16 Zow Elston Howard, C

16.01 Zow Lucky Doyle, 2B

16.02 SoCalBroncoFan John Hiller, P

16.03 Usual 21 Bobby Murcer, OF

16.04 TU/Koya Keith Hernandez, 1B

16.05 Shake Zula

16.06 Horvy Burleigh Grimes, P

16.07 Derek245583 Armando Benitez, P

16.08 Doug B Deacon Phillipe, P

16.09 LarryBoy 44 Sal Bando, 3B

16.10 Rikishiboy Joe Torre,C

16.11 Greco

16.12 Pik95 Elmer Flick, OF

16.13 Avoiding Injuries Orlando Cepeda, OF

16.14 Wikkidpissah Tony Conigliaro, OF

16.15 Hoos First Mo Vaughn, OF

16.16 Cicncykid Zach Wheat, OF

17.01 Cicncy Kid Tony Perez, 1b

17.02 Hoos First Billy Pierce, P

17.03 Wikkidpissah Luis Aparacio, IF

17.04 Avoiding Injuries Mike Marshall, P

17.05 Pik95 Robb Nenn, P

17.06 Greco Sparky Anderson, Mgr

17.07 Rikishiboy Mike Stanton, P

17.08 LarryBoy 44 Paul Quantrill, P

17.09 DougB Tom Burgmeier, P

17.10 Derek245583

17.11 Horvy Jesse Orosco, P

17.12 Shake Zula

17.13 TU/Koya

17.14 Usual 21

17.15 SoCalBroncoFan

17.16 Zow

18.01 Zow

18.02 SoCalBroncoFan

18.03 Usual 21

18.04 TU/Koya

18.05 Shake Zula

18.06 Horvy John McGraw, Mgr

18.07 Derek245583

18.08 Doug B

18.09 LarryBoy 44 Cesar Cedeno, OF

18.10 Rikishiboy

18.11 Greco Mike Timlin, P

18.12 Pik95 Casey Stengel, Mgr

18.13 Avoiding Injuries

18.14 Wikkidpissah **** Radatz, P

18.15 Hoos First

18.16 Cicncykid

19.01 Cicncy Kid

19.02 Hoos First

19.03 Wikkidpissah Bob Veale, P

19.04 Avoiding Injuries

19.05 Pik95

19.06 Greco John Tudor, P

19.07 Rikishiboy

19.08 LarryBoy 44

19.09 DougB

19.10 Derek245583

19.11 Horvy

19.12 Shake Zula

19.13 TU/Koya

19.14 Usual 21

19.15 SoCalBroncoFan

19.16 Zow

20.01 Zow

20.02 SoCalBroncoFan

20.03 Usual 21

20.04 TU/Koya

20.05 Shake Zula

20.06 Horvy

20.07 Derek245583

20.08 Doug B

20.09 LarryBoy 44

20.10 Rikishiboy

20.11 Greco Jimmy Key, P

20.12 Pik95

20.13 Avoiding Injuries

20.14 Wikkidpissah **** Williams, Mgr

20.15 Hoos First

20.16 Cicncykid

 

[timschochet]

Cicncy Kid

Manager Joe Torre

Starting Pitcher #1 Bob Feller

Starting Pitcher #2 Chief Bender

Starting Pitcher #3 Jack Chesbro

Starting Pitcher #4 Wes Ferrell

Starting Pitcher #5 Ted Lyons

Middle Reliever Jason Isringhausen

Setup Pitcher Sparky Lyle

Closer Dan Quisenberry

Catcher Roy Campenella

1st Base Will Clark

2nd Base Frankie Frisch

Shortstop Robin Yount

3rd Base Brooks Robinson

Left Field Pete Rose

Center Field Duke Snider

Right Field Babe Ruth

Utility Infielder Tony Perez

Utility Outfielder Zach Wheat

Designated Hitter Eric Davis

Hoos First

Manager Joe McCarthy

Starting Pitcher #1 Grover Alexander

Starting Pitcher #2 Curt Schilling

Starting Pitcher #3 Mike Mussina

Starting Pitcher #4 Hippo Vaughn

Starting Pitcher #5 Billy Pierce

Middle Reliever Rick Aguilera

Setup Pitcher John Franco

Closer Mariano Rivera

Catcher Ted Simmons

1st Base Albert Pujols

2nd Base Rod Carew

Shortstop Vern Stephens

3rd Base Wade Boggs

Left Field Albert Belle

Center Field Willie Mays

Right Field Sammy Sosa

Utility Infielder Tony Philips

Utility Outfielder Bernie Williams

Designated Hitter Mo Vaughn

Wikkidpissah

Manager **** Williams

Starting Pitcher #1 Sandy Koufax

Starting Pitcher #2 Cy Young

Starting Pitcher #3 Dwight Gooden

Starting Pitcher #4 Orel Hershiser

Starting Pitcher #5 Bob Veale

Middle Reliever **** Radatz

Setup Pitcher Dave Righetti

Closer Goose Gossage

Catcher Bill Dickey

1st Base Willie McCovey

2nd Base Rogers Hornsby

Shortstop Cal Ripken

3rd Base Bill Madlock

Left Field Lou Brock

Center Field Al Kaline

Right Field Vlad Guerrero

Utility Infielder Luis Aparicio

Utility Outfielder Tony Conigliaro

Designated Hitter Jim Rice

Avoiding Injuries

Manager Earl Weaver

Starting Pitcher #1 Warren Spahn

Starting Pitcher #2 Jim Palmer

Starting Pitcher #3 John Smoltz

Starting Pitcher #4 Bret Saberhagen

Starting Pitcher #5 Roy Halladay

Middle Reliever Ron Perranoski

Setup Pitcher Mike Marshall

Closer Lee Smith

Catcher Mickey Cochrane

1st Base Todd Helton

2nd Base Joe Morgan

Shortstop Luke Appling

3rd Base Eddie Matthews

Left Field Ted Williams

Center Field Earl Averill

Right Field Sam Crawford

Utility Infielder Ozzie Smith

Utility Outfielder Orlando Cepeda

Designated Hitter Andre Dawson

Pik95

Manager Casey Stengel

Starting Pitcher #1 Randy Johnson

Starting Pitcher #2 Joe Wood

Starting Pitcher #3 Fergie Jenkins

Starting Pitcher #4 Bob Lemon

Starting Pitcher #5 Lou Warneke

Middle Reliever Dan Plesac

Setup Pitcher Rob Nenn

Closer Billy Wagner

Catcher Mike Piazza

1st Base Lou Gehrig

2nd Base Ryne Sandberg

Shortstop Ernie Banks

3rd Base Home Run Baker

Left Field Minnie Minoso

Center Field Jim Edmonds

Right Field Manny Ramirez

Utility Infielder Maury Wills

Utility Outfielder Elmer Flick

Designated Hitter Jeff Bagwell

Greco

Manager Sparky Anderson

Starting Pitcher #1 Steve Carlton

Starting Pitcher #2 Don Sutton

Starting Pitcher #3 Don Newcombe

Starting Pitcher #4 Denny McLain

Starting Pitcher #5 Vida Blue

Middle Reliever John Tudor

Pitcher Jimmy Key

Setup Pitcher Mike Timlin

Closer Trevor Hoffman

Catcher Thurman Munson

1st Base Bill Terry

2nd Base Charlie Gehringer

Shortstop Nomar Garciaparra

3rd Base Ron Santo

Left Field Barry Bonds

Center Field Harry Heilmann

Right Field Frank Robinson

Utility Outfielder Jose Canseco

Designated Hitter Dave Parker

Rikishiboy

Manager Tommy Lasorda

Starting Pitcher #1 Tom Seaver

Starting Pitcher #2 Eddie Plank

Starting Pitcher #3 Early Wynn

Starting Pitcher #4 Sam McDowell

Starting Pitcher #5 Mike Cuellar

Middle Reliever

Setup Pitcher Mike Stanton

Closer Jeff Reardon

Catcher Joe Torre

1st Base Hank Greenberg

2nd Base Roberto Alomar

Shortstop Alex Rodriguez

3rd Base Pie Traynor

Left Field Ricky Henderson

Center Field Kirby Puckett

Right Field Gary Sheffield

Utility Infielder Del Pratt

Utility Outfielder Richie Ashburn

Designated HitterFrank Howard

LarryBoy 44

Manager

Starting Pitcher #1 Roger Clemens

Starting Pitcher #2 Greg Maddux

Starting Pitcher #3 Ed Walsh

Starting Pitcher #4 Red Ruffing

Starting Pitcher #5 Carl Mays

Middle Reliever Paul Quantrill

Setup Pitcher John Wetteland

Closer Rollie Fingers

Catcher Ivan Rodriguez

1st Base Frank Thomas

2nd Base Craig Biggio

Shortstop Derek Jeter

3rd Base **** Allen

Left Field Tim Raines

Center Field Dale Murphy

Right Field Bobby Bonds

Utility Infielder Sal Bando

Utility Outfielder Cesar Cedeno

Designated Hitter

Doug B

Manager Walter Alston

Starting Pitcher #1 Walter Johnson

Starting Pitcher #2 Pedro Martinez

Starting Pitcher #3 Rube Waddell

Starting Pitcher #4 Ron Guidry

Starting Pitcher #5 Babe Adams

Middle Reliever Decon Phillipe

Setup Pitcher Tom Burgmeier

Closer Troy Percival

Catcher Gabby Hartnett

1st Base Johnny Mize

2nd Base Tony Lazzeri

Shortstop Arky Vaughn

3rd Base Scott Rolen

Left Field Joe Jackson

Center Field Hack Wilson

Right Field Lance Berkman

Utility Infielder Gil McDougal

Utility Outfielder Andruw Jones

Designated Hitter Jim Thome

Derek245583

Manager Bobby Cox

Starting Pitcher #1 Lefty Grove

Starting Pitcher #2 Bob Gibson

Starting Pitcher #3 Gaylord Perry

Starting Pitcher #4 Jim Bunning

Starting Pitcher #5 Luis Tiant

Middle Reliever Todd Worrell

Setup Pitcher Armando Benitez

Closer Tug McGraw

Catcher Johnny Bench

1st Base Carlos Delgado

2nd Base Bobby Grich

Shortstop Lou Boudreau

3rd Base Bob Elliot

Left Field Al Simmons

Center Field Mickey Mantle

Right Field Paul Waner

Utility Infielder Steve Garvey

Utility Outfielder Al Oliver

Designated Hitter George Foster

Horvy

Manager John McGraw

Starting Pitcher #1 Robin Roberts

Starting Pitcher #2 Dazzy Vance

Starting Pitcher #3 Hal Newhouser

Starting Pitcher #4 Eddie Cicotte

Starting Pitcher #5 Burleigh Grimes

Middle Reliever Jim Kaat

Setup Pitcher Jessie Orosco

Closer Hoyt Wilhelm

Catcher Yogi Berra

1st Base Don Mattingly

2nd Base Jackie Robinson

Shortstop Alan Trammel

3rd Base Mike Schmidt

Left Field Willie Stargell

Center Field Ty Cobb

Right Field Tony Gwynn

Utility Infielder Phil Rizzuto

Utility Outfielder Joe Medwick

Designated Hitter Dave Winfield

Shake Zula

Manager Jim Leyland

Starting Pitcher #1 Nolan Ryan

Starting Pitcher #2 Catfish Hunter

Starting Pitcher #3 David Cone

Starting Pitcher #4 Kevin Brown

Starting Pitcher #5 Tim Hudson

Middle Reliever Scott Shields

Setup Pitcher Alejandro Pena

Closer Francisco Rodriguez

Catcher Gary Carter

1st Base Rafael Palmiero

2nd Base Jeff Kent

Shortstop Omar Visquel

3rd Base George Brett

Left Field Carl Yastzremski

Center Field Ken Griffey, Jr.

Right Field Ichiro Suzuki

Utility Infielder Fred McGriff

Utility Outfielder David Justice

Designated Hitter Darryl Strawberry

Tremendous Upside/Koya

Manager Miller Huggins

Starting Pitcher #1 Carl Hubbell

Starting Pitcher #2 Mordecai Brown

Starting Pitcher #3 Lefty Gomez

Starting Pitcher #4 Stan Covaleski

Starting Pitcher #5 Joe McGinnity

Middle Reliever Red Faber

Setup Pitcher Steve Howe

Closer Bruce Sutter

Catcher Ernie Lombardi

1st Base Jason Giambi

2nd Base Nap Lajoie

Shortstop Honus Wagner

3rd Base Harmon Killebrew

Left Field Ralph Kiner

Center Field Tris Speaker

Right Field Chuck Klein

Utility Infielder Keith Hernandez

Utility Outfielder Goose Goslin

Designated Hitter Edgar Martinez

Usual 21

Manager Tony LaRussa

Starting Pitcher #1 Christy Mathewson

Starting Pitcher #2 Whitey Ford

Starting Pitcher #3 Tom Glavine

Starting Pitcher #4 Roy Oswalt

Starting Pitcher #5 Dave Stewart

Middle Reliever Jeff Nelson

Setup Pitcher Ron Dibble

Closer Tom Henke

Catcher Jorge Posada

1st Base George Sisler

2nd Base Alfonso Soriano, 2B

Shortstop Miguel Tejada

3rd Base Paul Molitor

Left Field Reggie Jackson

Center Field Joe DiMaggio

Right Field Roberto Clemente

Utility Infielder Bill Mazeroski

Utility Outfielder Bobby Murcer

Designated Hitter Juan Gonzalez

SoCalBroncoFan

Manager

Starting Pitcher #1 Addie Joss

Starting Pitcher #2 Don Drysdale

Starting Pitcher #3 Johann Santana

Starting Pitcher #4 Spud Chandler

Starting Pitcher #5

Middle Reliever John Hiller

Setup Pitcher Kent Tekulve

Closer Dennis Eckersley

Catcher Carlton Fisk

1st Base Jimmie Foxx

2nd Base Eddie Collins

Shortstop Joe Cronin

3rd Base Chipper Jones

Left Field Billy Williams

Center Field Jimmy Wynn

Right Field Larry Walker

Utility Infielder

Utility Outfielder

Designated Hitter Mark McMgwire

Zow

Manager Connie Mack

Starting Pitcher #1 Juan Marichal

Starting Pitcher #2 Dizzy Dean

Starting Pitcher #3 Phil Neikro

Starting Pitcher #4 Bert Blyleven

Starting Pitcher #5 Jack Morris

Middle Reliever Roberto Hernandez

Setup Pitcher Keith Foulke, RP

Closer Randy Myers

Catcher Elston Howard

1st Base Eddie Murray

2nd Base Lou Whitaker

Shortstop Barry Larkin

3rd Base Mel Ott

Left Field Stan Musial

Center Field Fred Lynn

Right Field Hank Aaron

Utility Infielder Larry Doyle

Utility Outfielder Larry Doby

Designated Hitter David Ortiz

 

[rcmcaz]

ist time checking in - hope to have some fun with everyone

 

[rcmcaz]

1st time checking in - hope to have some fun with everyone

 

[rikishiboy]

ist time checking in - hope to have some fun with everyone

rcmcaz is my pops, we both look foward to an exciting draft.

 

[timschochet]

I have just recieved a PM from Cicncy Kid. His first pick in the Baseball Draft is...

1.01 George Herman "Babe" Ruth

Career statistics

Batting average .342

Home runs 714

Run batted in 2,217

Slugging percentage .690 lifetime (!!!!)

Usually considered the greatest baseball player ever. Good pick!

 

[larry_boy_44]

really the only #1 pick... dominated the game to a level that is unprecedented...

Yeah, other players may have hit more home runs and by pure numbers might have done better, but Ruth is the only one who out-homered TEAMS...

 

[Koya]

LB, dropping soon to be drafted names already?

WILL YOU EVER LEARN, BOY?

 

[larry_boy_44]

LB, dropping soon to be drafted names already?WILL YOU EVER LEARN, BOY?

I fixed it...

 

[timschochet]

It fascinates me that in no other sport did the best player perform his feats close to 90 years ago, or even 50 years ago. Basketball has passed George Mikan by. In the football draft we had, Red Grange wasn't even taken. Few boxing experts at this point would list Jack Johnson or Jack Dempsey as the greatest ever. Bobby Orr, maybe, but I don't think most hockey guys would have him number one. Ben Hogan is one of the alltime greats, but most would agree he's been surpassed.

But in baseball, we rightfully revere the Babe and always will.

 

[timschochet]

Guys, we have a problem: Txpreacher is gone for a week, and will not be able to play. So we need someone to take his place. Is anyone interested? If you join right now, you get the 2nd pick in the draft...

 

[Horvy]

i'll take the 2nd pick...someone else can have 11

jk...i'm fine where i am

 

[Horvy]

actually, one more question.....

is it a requirement that we write up a lineup (meaning so-and-so bats leadoff, etc.)?

 

[timschochet]

actually, one more question.....is it a requirement that we write up a lineup (meaning so-and-so bats leadoff, etc.)?

Not a requirement, but I would recommend it. Sort of like a team summary. It will certainly aid you in the final evalution.

 

[Doug B]

ist time checking in - hope to have some fun with everyone

rcmcaz is my pops, we both look foward to an exciting draft.

Welcome, rcm

 

[Hoos First]

1.2 Willie Mays, CF

.302 BA

660 HR

1903 RBI's

338 SB's

and the greatest defensive player of all-time

 

[timschochet]

Hoos First has taken Txpreacher's place, and drafted the Say Hey Kid. We're off and rolling.

 

[ahmngrn30]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

 

[Horvy]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

with this philosophy, i wish you were still in this thing!drafting new guys worked with the football draft, but i don't think you'll see the same bias in this one.

 

[rikishiboy]

So far a players career stats have been posted. When do we submit what 7 years we want to use?

 

[timschochet]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

 

[timschochet]

So far a players career stats have been posted. When do we submit what 7 years we want to use?

You can do it at any time during the draft. I will allow for team summaries as well at the end. If someone chooses not to do this, that's OK as well, but then I will make my evaluation based on my own determination.

 

[ahmngrn30]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

 

[timschochet]

Willie Mays may have been overvalued as the 2nd pick. I'm not sure he's the best defensive CF of all time, let alone the best defensive player. I can think of a couple of other CFers that at least enter the argument.

As far as Mays' offensive numbers, they're awfully good, but there are plenty of guys that could have been taken at this choice that have INCREDIBLE numbers. Like Ruth, Mays is a fine HR hitter, but if you look at HR hitting in terms of percentages,as I do, he falls short in this category to several other players. His totals are more due to longevity.

Still, many experts argue that Willie is perhaps the greatest modern player (post 1950). But Hoos First will have to work a little harder to defend this pick at the number #2 position beyond giving lifetime numbers.

 

[timschochet]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

Who says it wouldn't?Rather than defend one play, let me try to address your question overall, though I'm sure others will come in and do a better job than me. You have a great argument for football and basketball, but not for baseball. Baseball is the one sport where the numbers tend to hold up over time. Sure, there are different eras, deadball eras for instance where you will see a skew in batting averages and ERA's, but the game has not really changed that much. I believe that Babe Ruth's numbers might be slightly down today only because he would be facing a greater variety of pitches. On the other hand, because the league is so much larger than when he played, the talent pool is thinner.In any case, it's irrelevant. In judging players from past eras, we have to go by a standard rule- how a player performs against his contemporaries. Given that parameter, there becomes no question that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time. (But even without that parameter, I would still have little problem making that claim.)

 

[Horvy]

part of the defense of mays (and i'm just guessing here) is simply that he wanted him. if you've gotta have a CF and you can grab mays, why not do it? if you don't like who you think will be there in 30 picks, you pull the trigger.

simple VBD --- all-time MLB style

now, i personally wouldn't have taken him.....but he would have at least been considered!

 

[wikkidpissah]

1.3 RHornsby 2b StL - only player to ever hit .400 and 40 hrs in a season.

i'm in my 50s and, when i was a kid, sold peanuts outside fenway. the guy i worked for had been babe ruth's train porter & his eyes glassed over whenever he'd talk about the Sultan. asked him once, dunno why, if the bambino was the best he saw, him being black & having seen all the great Negro leaguers. now, mind u, not only had he seen all them, but knew the Babe & had seen almost every home game Teddy Ballgame ever played and he answered, "no suh, Mr Rogers Hornsby was the greatest player i ever saw & it aint close." this is for u, Mr. Turner. nufced

 

[timschochet]

3.1 RHornsby 2b StL - only player to ever hit .400 and 40 hrs in a season.i'm in my 50s and, when i was a kid, sold peanuts outside fenway. the guy i worked for had been babe ruth's train porter & his eyes glassed over whenever he'd talk about the Sultan. asked him once, dunno why, if the bambino was the best he saw, him being black & having seen all the great Negro leaguers. now, mind u, not only had he seen all them, but knew the Babe & had seen almost every home game Teddy Ballgame ever played and he answered, "no suh, Mr Rogers Hornsby was the greatest player i ever saw & it aint close." this is for u, Mr. Turner. nufced

Excellent choice! This pick among 2-3 other guys would have been my clear 2nd choice. More on that later.

 

[wikkidpissah]

woulda taken babe or sayhey (he was my deity when i was little) if either had dropped but, since the next best 2b is prolly #160 or higher, it seemed like the value pick even without the backstory.

 

[ahmngrn30]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

Who says it wouldn't?Rather than defend one play, let me try to address your question overall, though I'm sure others will come in and do a better job than me. You have a great argument for football and basketball, but not for baseball. Baseball is the one sport where the numbers tend to hold up over time. Sure, there are different eras, deadball eras for instance where you will see a skew in batting averages and ERA's, but the game has not really changed that much. I believe that Babe Ruth's numbers might be slightly down today only because he would be facing a greater variety of pitches. On the other hand, because the league is so much larger than when he played, the talent pool is thinner.

In any case, it's irrelevant. In judging players from past eras, we have to go by a standard rule- how a player performs against his contemporaries. Given that parameter, there becomes no question that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time. (But even without that parameter, I would still have little problem making that claim.)

well then pretty much game over. the guy with ruth wins.

 

[Horvy]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

Who says it wouldn't?Rather than defend one play, let me try to address your question overall, though I'm sure others will come in and do a better job than me. You have a great argument for football and basketball, but not for baseball. Baseball is the one sport where the numbers tend to hold up over time. Sure, there are different eras, deadball eras for instance where you will see a skew in batting averages and ERA's, but the game has not really changed that much. I believe that Babe Ruth's numbers might be slightly down today only because he would be facing a greater variety of pitches. On the other hand, because the league is so much larger than when he played, the talent pool is thinner.

In any case, it's irrelevant. In judging players from past eras, we have to go by a standard rule- how a player performs against his contemporaries. Given that parameter, there becomes no question that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time. (But even without that parameter, I would still have little problem making that claim.)

well then pretty much game over. the guy with ruth wins.

of course....because one player makes a team unstoppable

 

[CicncyKid]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

Who says it wouldn't?Rather than defend one play, let me try to address your question overall, though I'm sure others will come in and do a better job than me. You have a great argument for football and basketball, but not for baseball. Baseball is the one sport where the numbers tend to hold up over time. Sure, there are different eras, deadball eras for instance where you will see a skew in batting averages and ERA's, but the game has not really changed that much. I believe that Babe Ruth's numbers might be slightly down today only because he would be facing a greater variety of pitches. On the other hand, because the league is so much larger than when he played, the talent pool is thinner.

In any case, it's irrelevant. In judging players from past eras, we have to go by a standard rule- how a player performs against his contemporaries. Given that parameter, there becomes no question that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time. (But even without that parameter, I would still have little problem making that claim.)

well then pretty much game over. the guy with ruth wins.

Great!Having Ruth batting cleanup for my team can't hurt though!

 

[timschochet]

The players now days are so much better/stronger/faster/more athletic/healthy than they were when ruth and mays played. It's really bad to take even one old timer let alone as the top two picks. Ruth would be a bus driver if he was around today.

I guarantee you at least one judge does NOT agree.

Can you give another explanation as to why the Willie Mays basket catch was such a great play but wouldn't even make sportscenter/baseball tonight now?

Who says it wouldn't?Rather than defend one play, let me try to address your question overall, though I'm sure others will come in and do a better job than me. You have a great argument for football and basketball, but not for baseball. Baseball is the one sport where the numbers tend to hold up over time. Sure, there are different eras, deadball eras for instance where you will see a skew in batting averages and ERA's, but the game has not really changed that much. I believe that Babe Ruth's numbers might be slightly down today only because he would be facing a greater variety of pitches. On the other hand, because the league is so much larger than when he played, the talent pool is thinner.

In any case, it's irrelevant. In judging players from past eras, we have to go by a standard rule- how a player performs against his contemporaries. Given that parameter, there becomes no question that Babe Ruth is the greatest baseball player of all time. (But even without that parameter, I would still have little problem making that claim.)

well then pretty much game over. the guy with ruth wins.

Great!Having Ruth batting cleanup for my team can't hurt though!

That would actually be somewhat new for him. Ruth was not the cleanup hitter for the Yankees.

 

[Bogart]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

 

[PIK95]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

I see four options for you with your pick and I like all of them. I like your draft spot because you are going to get someone in the second tier (Ruth owning the first) and then you are probably going to be right at the end of the third tier on the return. Picks 4-7 can really establish themselves by being smart in the first two rounds IMO.

 

[timschochet]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

I see four options for you with your pick and I like all of them. I like your draft spot because you are going to get someone in the second tier (Ruth owning the first) and then you are probably going to be right at the end of the third tier on the return. Picks 4-7 can really establish themselves by being smart in the first two rounds IMO.

I agree with you Doctor. The first pick is obvious to everyone. But after that, you can really help yourself with the next set of picks, depending on who you get. This is why I think Mays was taken a little high at #2, though some will disagree.

 

[Bogart]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

The Ruth hate is simply ridiculous. As much as I have a man-crush on Rajah, if I had the number one pick I would have to take Ruth. The number don't lie, plus he could pitch a little as well.

 

[PIK95]

Are there rules listed somewhere? Someone mentioned something about seven years.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

I see four options for you with your pick and I like all of them. I like your draft spot because you are going to get someone in the second tier (Ruth owning the first) and then you are probably going to be right at the end of the third tier on the return. Picks 4-7 can really establish themselves by being smart in the first two rounds IMO.

I agree with you Doctor. The first pick is obvious to everyone. But after that, you can really help yourself with the next set of picks, depending on who you get. This is why I think Mays was taken a little high at #2, though some will disagree.

I would rather not criticize in the first few rounds because we are talking some of the best players that ever played the game but as an OPS+ guy I wouldn't have taken Mays. Could work out for him though as I will definitely take some intangibles in to consideration. Mays is the king of intangibles.

 

[larry_boy_44]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

The Ruth hate is simply ridiculous. As much as I have a man-crush on Rajah, if I had the number one pick I would have to take Ruth. The number don't lie, plus he could pitch a little as well.

94-46 with a 2.28 ERA is only a little?plus later in his career (once in 1930 and once in 1933) he pitched complete games only allowing 3 and 5 runs... that's pretty amazing when he hadn't pitched since 1921 before those 1 game/season seasons (as far as pitching goes)

 

[timschochet]

Are there rules listed somewhere? Someone mentioned something about seven years.

Judging parameters:1. Baseball is a very statistical game. If you want me to ignore statistics in favor of something else, you need to have a very good argument, though I will certainly listen. 2. In measuring players, I will look at the seven (7) best years of a player's career. This does not have to be in consecutive order. (For example, XXXXXXX has one supurb year in XXXX, and 4 supurb years later on.) I would like you to tell me what you think a player's best years are; if you don't I will choose them based on my own judgment. 3. In evaluating all positions other than pitcher, I look at all kinds of numbers, including average, on base percentage, slugging percentage, home runs, steals. I don't care about walks or stikeouts for batters except as part of on-base percentage. I don't care about doubles or triples except as part of slugging percentage (Home runs are significant however, but number of HRs over a career is less important to me than average of HRs per AB.) A player's defense is a little harder to be objective about, because fielding percentage has changed so drastically over modern times. A guy like XXXXX, for example, is known to be a very good fielder, but his FP and errors are poor by today's standards because his glove was so much smaller, for one reason. To gauge defense, therefore, I will be looking more at historical accounts of what a player was like rather than stark numbers.4. For pitchers, I look at ERA, plus hits and walks in relation to innings pitched. Strikeout numbers are less relevant; I really don't care how they got somebody out. The exception to this rule are the absolute monster strike out guys who were intimidating; I think we all know who they are. Because we are using a DH, I don't care about a pitcher's batting average. I also am less interested in wins; this is more a product of the team the pitcher is on. For closers, number of saves is a stat that is relatively new, and somewhat of a joke. Is it a true save if your team is up 9-1, you give up 5 runs and win 9-6? No. ERA and reputation for closers is much more important.5. I will not accept numbers for players prior to 1900. If someone played from 1894-1910, I will only accept numbers from 1901-1910. I will not accept Negro league numbers either, or any other league outside of MLB.6. I should factor in different eras, as Bill James does, but it's a little too much work. If you want to make an argument that a player is more valuable than his numbers because of the era in which he played, I am willing to listen. Also, I will not penalize anyone for steroid or HGH use. Impossible to prove. Numbers are numbers.I think that's it for now. There will probably be more later. Any questions, please ask away

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

The Ruth hate is simply ridiculous. As much as I have a man-crush on Rajah, if I had the number one pick I would have to take Ruth. The number don't lie, plus he could pitch a little as well.

94-46 with a 2.28 ERA is only a little?plus later in his career (once in 1930 and once in 1933) he pitched complete games only allowing 3 and 5 runs... that's pretty amazing when he hadn't pitched since 1921 before those 1 game/season seasons (as far as pitching goes)

Held the WS scoreless streak for how long? Hersherser broke it no? Ruth was an elite athlete, and if anyone thinks he was a bus driver or couldn't compete in today's game I don't think they know what they are talking about (I will not check and see who said that). Ruth is Michael Jordan, Wayne Gretzky, and Walter Payton and then some. No player in American sports history ever defined a sport as Ruth did and only Pele and maybe Maradona ever did on the world stage. Europeans hate them some baseball, and they all know of Babe Ruth.

 

[timschochet]

There were some players mentioned above, which I shouldn't do, although I figure everyone's heard of them. But it's not a good habit. I'm going to delete those names.

 

[timschochet]

Dr. Detroit, please delete the pitcher you mentioned in your post.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Are there rules listed somewhere? Someone mentioned something about seven years.

Judging parameters:1. Baseball is a very statistical game. If you want me to ignore statistics in favor of something else, you need to have a very good argument, though I will certainly listen. 2. In measuring players, I will look at the seven (7) best years of a player's career. This does not have to be in consecutive order. (For example, Barry Bonds has one supurb year in 1993, and 4 supurb years later on.) I would like you to tell me what you think a player's best years are; if you don't I will choose them based on my own judgment. 3. In evaluating all positions other than pitcher, I look at all kinds of numbers, including average, on base percentage, slugging percentage, home runs, steals. I don't care about walks or stikeouts for batters except as part of on-base percentage. I don't care about doubles or triples except as part of slugging percentage (Home runs are significant however, but number of HRs over a career is less important to me than average of HRs per AB.) A player's defense is a little harder to be objective about, because fielding percentage has changed so drastically over modern times. A guy like Ty Cobb, for example, is known to be a very good fielder, but his FP and errors are poor by today's standards because his glove was so much smaller, for one reason. To gauge defense, therefore, I will be looking more at historical accounts of what a player was like rather than stark numbers.4. For pitchers, I look at ERA, plus hits and walks in relation to innings pitched. Strikeout numbers are less relevant; I really don't care how they got somebody out. The exception to this rule are the absolute monster strike out guys who were intimidating; I think we all know who they are. Because we are using a DH, I don't care about a pitcher's batting average. I also am less interested in wins; this is more a product of the team the pitcher is on. For closers, number of saves is a stat that is relatively new, and somewhat of a joke. Is it a true save if your team is up 9-1, you give up 5 runs and win 9-6? No. ERA and reputation for closers is much more important.5. I will not accept numbers for players prior to 1900. If someone played from 1894-1910, I will only accept numbers from 1901-1910. I will not accept Negro league numbers either, or any other league outside of MLB.6. I should factor in different eras, as Bill James does, but it's a little too much work. If you want to make an argument that a player is more valuable than his numbers because of the era in which he played, I am willing to listen. Also, I will not penalize anyone for steroid or HGH use. Impossible to prove. Numbers are numbers.I think that's it for now. There will probably be more later. Any questions, please ask away

This is timschochet's baby and the only thing I'll add as a judge is that I'll use OPS+ and WHIP as statistical anchors. Everything mentioned above is what I'll base my rankings on in the end.

 

[Bogart]

Love, love, LOVE the Hornsby pick. Ruth-like offensive production and HOF defense at second base, a position that has the shortest list of "elite" players. It would be very tempting to take Hornsby with even the first pick, for sure second or later.

Hornsby is top five pick for sure and I would have no issue taking him at #2. Also not understanding any Ruth hate in here about him being a bus driver or whatever. Ruth almost single-handed took baseball from one era to the next and only a few players can even come close to claiming they are in his class. If he played today, he'd be a monster. If he played in the disco era, the post war era, the steroid era he'd be a monster. No doubt in my mind.

Ruth is #1 no question IMO. I am upset Hornsby didn't fall to me, i thought he would for sure. I will have to do some thinking now.

The Ruth hate is simply ridiculous. As much as I have a man-crush on Rajah, if I had the number one pick I would have to take Ruth. The number don't lie, plus he could pitch a little as well.

94-46 with a 2.28 ERA is only a little?plus later in his career (once in 1930 and once in 1933) he pitched complete games only allowing 3 and 5 runs... that's pretty amazing when he hadn't pitched since 1921 before those 1 game/season seasons (as far as pitching goes)

damn it Larry, do I have to post after every post. If Ruth pitches instead of hitting, he goes into the HOF as a pitcher. I think we all know that.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Dr. Detroit, please delete the pitcher you mentioned in your post.

He shouldn't be drafted for a very long time so don't worry. One good question here is how shall we evaluate post-season play into our rankings?

 

[timschochet]

As far as team sports go, there are only a handful of players that compare to Ruth: Pele, Chamberlain, Jordan, Gretzky. There is no player in football that compares.

As far as American athletes go, only Muhammad Ali, Tiger Woods, and Michael Jordan are on a level with the Babe.