Green Bay's Denver-like offense draws rave reviews (1 Viewer)

[Punchie]

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Offense Revolves Around Denver-Like Running Game

Source: Lori Nickel, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Original Article: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=431620

Summary: Running Back Samkon Gado and Tight End Bubba Franks are saying some very flattering things about Green Bay's offense this year. Says Franks: "I like the new offense. I like the way they structured it. It helps our interior linemen out a little more and 'AG' (Green) has a lot of options ... And once he produces, it opens up everything for us." Added Gado: "You don't need to be an all-star to do well in this offense, the history of this scheme, guys do well. It's simple."

Personal view: The bit I find most interesting is Franks' comments on everything opening up for Ahman Green and allowing him to make big plays, no mention of Gado from Franks.

 

[Polish Hammer]

As far as Franks commenting on Green, I just see this as one veteran supporting another. He doesn't make the call as to who starts come September.

 

[Bob Henry]

As far as Franks commenting on Green, I just see this as one veteran supporting another. He doesn't make the call as to who starts come September.

Agreed.. but we all know if Ahman is healthy then the job is his, no question. I'm just not sure how healthy he'll be this year, or perhaps more to the point, how long he'll be able to sustain good health.

 

[msommer]

Nice fluff piece though

 

[Aaronstory]

Nice fluff piece though

Exactly.

 

[Family Matters]

I feel this will be closely watched. Grenn represents tremendous value in redrafts if indeed he's healthy and the starter. Further you have to wonder what impact this will have on Favre & Driver.

 

[SSOG]

From the Footballguys Blogger: http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php

Offense Revolves Around Denver-Like Running Game

Source: Lori Nickel, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Original Article: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=431620

Summary: Running Back Samkon Gado and Tight End Bubba Franks are saying some very flattering things about Green Bay's offense this year. Says Franks: "I like the new offense. I like the way they structured it. It helps our interior linemen out a little more and 'AG' (Green) has a lot of options ... And once he produces, it opens up everything for us." Added Gado: "You don't need to be an all-star to do well in this offense, the history of this scheme, guys do well. It's simple."

Personal view: The bit I find most interesting is Franks' comments on everything opening up for Ahman Green and allowing him to make big plays, no mention of Gado from Franks.

I'm sure a lot of players think they have a "Denver-like" running game, but until they produce 25,000 yards in 11 seasons, it doesn't mean anything.Green Bay homers... can anyone tell me exactly what is "Denver-like" about this offense? Are they implementing a cut blocking scheme and emphasising undersized linemen? Are they teaching their RBs a more one-cut technique? More bootlegs? Or was Denver only mentioned because of their history of success, and is the article complete fluff?

 

[faede]

From the Footballguys Blogger: http://news.footballguys.com/new/blogger.php

Offense Revolves Around Denver-Like Running Game

Source: Lori Nickel, Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel

Original Article: http://www.jsonline.com/story/index.aspx?id=431620

Summary: Running Back Samkon Gado and Tight End Bubba Franks are saying some very flattering things about Green Bay's offense this year. Says Franks: "I like the new offense. I like the way they structured it. It helps our interior linemen out a little more and 'AG' (Green) has a lot of options ... And once he produces, it opens up everything for us." Added Gado: "You don't need to be an all-star to do well in this offense, the history of this scheme, guys do well. It's simple."

Personal view: The bit I find most interesting is Franks' comments on everything opening up for Ahman Green and allowing him to make big plays, no mention of Gado from Franks.

I'm sure a lot of players think they have a "Denver-like" running game, but until they produce 25,000 yards in 11 seasons, it doesn't mean anything.Green Bay homers... can anyone tell me exactly what is "Denver-like" about this offense? Are they implementing a cut blocking scheme and emphasising undersized linemen? Are they teaching their RBs a more one-cut technique? More bootlegs? Or was Denver only mentioned because of their history of success, and is the article complete fluff?

Green Bay is implementing the Denver/Atlanta Alex Gibbs zone blocking system. Jeff Jagodzinski is the new Offensive Coordinator. He spent two years as O-Line coach learning the system and how to teach it from Gibbs in Atlanta and now he's bringing it to Green Bay.It's already changed the face of the team. The O-Line is being completely re-worked with smaller, athletic linemen. It's a big reason why Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz were two first day selections for Green Bay.

It's the one-cut offense for RB's. Ahman Green (and Samkon Gado, for that matter) ran the same offense in college.

Jagodzinski said it best. In Atlanta they didn't have a O-Linemen drafted on day 1, and most were undrafted or 7th rounders.. and for two years with Jagodzinski as O-Line coach (and Alex Gibbs as a "consultant"), they led the NFL in rushing yards and yards/attempt.

 

[SSOG]

Green Bay is implementing the Denver/Atlanta Alex Gibbs zone blocking system. Jeff Jagodzinski is the new Offensive Coordinator. He spent two years as O-Line coach learning the system and how to teach it from Gibbs in Atlanta and now he's bringing it to Green Bay.

It's already changed the face of the team. The O-Line is being completely re-worked with smaller, athletic linemen. It's a big reason why Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz were two first day selections for Green Bay.

It's the one-cut offense for RB's. Ahman Green (and Samkon Gado, for that matter) ran the same offense in college.

Jagodzinski said it best. In Atlanta they didn't have a O-Linemen drafted on day 1, and most were undrafted or 7th rounders.. and for two years with Jagodzinski as O-Line coach (and Alex Gibbs as a "consultant"), they led the NFL in rushing yards and yards/attempt.

That stat is VERY misleading. Those two seasons they had 597 and 902 yards rushing from Vick. Take away Vick, and they haven't cracked 2000 yards rushing in either season. Take away Vick, and they finish 10th in rushing/6th in ypa in 2005, and 21st (!) in yards/10th in ypa in 2004. Unless you expect 300+ yards rushing from Favre, I'd temper my expectations for the GB ground game a little bit.In fact, removing Vick's numbers, Atlanta finished 19th in rushing and 13th in ypa in 2003 (the year before Gibbs came to town). Bringing in Gibbs actually DROPPED THEIR RUSHING RANK 2 slots, although it bumped their ypa rank by 3 slots.

 

[Ozymandias]

All this really means is you won't know who to start among their RB's.

Just like Denver.

Hey SSOG

 

[SSOG]

All this really means is you won't know who to start among their RB's.

Just like Denver.

Hey SSOG

People don't complain about not knowing who to start in Denver. They complain about not knowing who to draft. The starting part is easy- just start whoever is starting for the team.

 

[faede]

Green Bay is implementing the Denver/Atlanta Alex Gibbs zone blocking system.  Jeff Jagodzinski is the new Offensive Coordinator.  He spent two years as O-Line coach learning the system and how to teach it from Gibbs in Atlanta and now he's bringing it to Green Bay.

It's already changed the face of the team.  The O-Line is being completely re-worked with smaller, athletic linemen.  It's a big reason why Daryn Colledge and Jason Spitz were two first day selections for Green Bay.

It's the one-cut offense for RB's.  Ahman Green (and Samkon Gado, for that matter) ran the same offense in college.

Jagodzinski said it best.  In Atlanta they didn't have a O-Linemen drafted on day 1, and most were undrafted or 7th rounders.. and for two years with Jagodzinski as O-Line coach (and Alex Gibbs as a "consultant"), they led the NFL in rushing yards and yards/attempt.

That stat is VERY misleading. Those two seasons they had 597 and 902 yards rushing from Vick. Take away Vick, and they haven't cracked 2000 yards rushing in either season. Take away Vick, and they finish 10th in rushing/6th in ypa in 2005, and 21st (!) in yards/10th in ypa in 2004. Unless you expect 300+ yards rushing from Favre, I'd temper my expectations for the GB ground game a little bit.In fact, removing Vick's numbers, Atlanta finished 19th in rushing and 13th in ypa in 2003 (the year before Gibbs came to town). Bringing in Gibbs actually DROPPED THEIR RUSHING RANK 2 slots, although it bumped their ypa rank by 3 slots.

More misleading is tweaking the numbers to fit your point.True, Vick does get a lot of carries and adds to the Atlanat Falcons numbers... but, they are still an elite rushing team. And they do so behind Warrick Dunn, who, while a good, solid back is no LT or Shawn Alexander type talent. Heck, talent wise I think he is easily outside of the top 10 backs in the league. Yet he ran for 1400+ yards with a 5.1 yard/carry clip last season. 1100yards at 4.1 the season before that. In fact, with Atlanta behind that scheme, Warrick Dunn has 900 carries for over 4000 yards in 4 seasons, with a very healthy 4.6+ yards/carry average.

This despite having an offensive line that is C- 7th rounder, G1-7th rounder, G2-undrafted (though now they have Matt Lehr, a 5th rounder), T1-5th rounder, T2-7th rounder.

Footballoutsiders rated the Atlanta Line from 2005 the 7th most efficient in the NFL. And if you have heard of ANY of those guys, you're probably in a distinct minority.

Alex Gibbs' system works. Will it work in Green Bay? Who knows. But Michael Vick or not, that scheme takes decent RB's and makes them into fantasy football studs and steals.

I've had Warrick Dunn the last two seasons and both seasons I got him with a pick far removed from the "elite" running backs. Both seasons he has been an absolute fantasy gem for me. And I have zero doubt that it is the Alex Gibbs running scheme that did it. It does the exact same thing in Denver too.

 

[SSOG]

More misleading is tweaking the numbers to fit your point.

True, Vick does get a lot of carries and adds to the Atlanat Falcons numbers... but, they are still an elite rushing team. And they do so behind Warrick Dunn, who, while a good, solid back is no LT or Shawn Alexander type talent. Heck, talent wise I think he is easily outside of the top 10 backs in the league. Yet he ran for 1400+ yards with a 5.1 yard/carry clip last season. 1100yards at 4.1 the season before that. In fact, with Atlanta behind that scheme, Warrick Dunn has 900 carries for over 4000 yards in 4 seasons, with a very healthy 4.6+ yards/carry average.

This despite having an offensive line that is C- 7th rounder, G1-7th rounder, G2-undrafted (though now they have Matt Lehr, a 5th rounder), T1-5th rounder, T2-7th rounder.

Footballoutsiders rated the Atlanta Line from 2005 the 7th most efficient in the NFL. And if you have heard of ANY of those guys, you're probably in a distinct minority.

Alex Gibbs' system works. Will it work in Green Bay? Who knows. But Michael Vick or not, that scheme takes decent RB's and makes them into fantasy football studs and steals.

I've had Warrick Dunn the last two seasons and both seasons I got him with a pick far removed from the "elite" running backs. Both seasons he has been an absolute fantasy gem for me. And I have zero doubt that it is the Alex Gibbs running scheme that did it. It does the exact same thing in Denver too.

I'm not "tweaking" the numbers. We're discussing how this Gibbs system will affect RB production... so isn't a good idea to look at RB production in Gibbs' first two seasons in Atlanta? I mean, what does the fact that Vick ran for 900 yards tell us about how Ahman Green might do in this Gibbs system?Yes, the Alex Gibbs system "works". It just doesn't work quickly. Gibbs' first season in Atlanta was 2004... and Warrick Dunn went from 5.4 yards per carry the season before to 4.2 yards per carry the season of. It usually takes a lineman a couple of years to pick up the scheme (and for GMs to bring in enough of the right kinds of players). It's easy to see that just from looking at the RB numbers, Atlanta was a top-10 rushing team last season, so I agree- Gibbs' scheme made them an "elite" rushing attack, even without Michael Vick inflating the totals. But as I said... that was the second season. In the first season, they were *not* an "elite rushing attack".

Third off, it's not the Gibbs scheme that makes Warrick Dunn a fantasy gem. Here are every single one of his career seasons (total yards/total TDs), with his per-game numbers pro-rated over 16 games and then sorted by total yards. Try and pick out which two were the Gibbs seasons.

1636/4

1555/9

1466/7

1440/7

1400/9

1391/9

1370/2

1285/2

1236/7

Still so certain that it was the Alex Gibbs blocking system that made Dunn a fantasy gem, and not that Warrick Dunn is always just a Tiki Barber/Eddie Kennison/Rod Smith/Trent Green type player that is ALWAYS a fantasy gem?

As for the round the players were drafted in... that doesn't mean a thing. Traditionally, outside of the left tackle, the majority of offensive linemen are second day picks or undrafted players.