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Greg Olsen - Buy Him While You Can (1 Viewer)

solorca

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I've discussed Greg Olsen in a number of threads over the past few months, so I thought I would start a thread about him, because I think a lot of people are missing out on the opportunity to buy him at a steep discount.

I am a Panthers homer and I typically avoid Carolina players just because I don't want to run the risk of overvaluing them. Olsen is someone I make an exception for though. A lot of people will point to Jeremy Shockey and claim that he took opportunities away from Olsen last year, but that isn't the case. The thing that caused Olsen to perform at a lower level as the season progressed was an injury to Jeff Otah. When Otah was out of games, Olsen, as the better blocker, was asked to block quite a bit...and was basically used as a extra offensive lineman much of the time. In addition to Otah's injury, Carolina had young players on the line and had a number of smaller injuries throughout the season that kept Olsen from ever being able to get back into a better receiving situation.

With Otah back, and an extra year under the belt of some of the younger lineman, I full expect Olsen to be used extensively as a receiver. Keep in mind, Chudzinski was the tight ends coach for San Diego, so he certainly knows how to use a young tight end. Last year was simply the case of having to adjust to the situation.

I read a stat the other day that Olsen/Shockey combined would have been TE3 in fantasy. Prior to Otah getting hurt (he played 3-4 games early in the year, while being inactive occasionally, prior to a later IR injury), Olsen was used in a vast majority of the pass catching situations. It was only when Olsen blocked more heavily that he was used less as a pass catcher.

I see Olsen putting up at least 900 yards and 8 touchdowns this year. If I had to predict a season total, I would go with...

67/920/8

By the way, here are Olsen's stats in the four games Otah played last year (weeks 1, 3, 4, 5)...

Week 1 - 4/78

Week 3 - 7/57/1

Week 4 - 5/50/1

Week 5 - 3/21/1 (Otah got hurt relatively early in this game)

In those 4 games, he had 28 targets (7.0 per game). In the other 12, he had 61 (5.08 per game)

This averages to 14.4 point per game in a ppr league. That would place him at TE4 based on averages, behind Graham, Gronkowski, and Hernandez.

 
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thanks for the hometown info! I noticed the target drop but didn't put two and two together. A season of 7 targets a game would have been 9th last year, but for where his ADP is right now, that would be great value.

I would think that if CAR doesn't sign a big bodied FA WR, he could end up being the RZ target (tough to envision a rookie earning such a big role first year).

 
I thought the knock on Olsen in Chicago was that he wasn't a good blocker. That was supposedly the reason he wasn't on the field more. Then, it was the fault of Martz because he doesn't know how to use a TE. Now, he's not being used as a receiver because they wanted him to block?

He's been in the league 5 years now. It seems like we're running out of excuses.

 
I thought the knock on Olsen in Chicago was that he wasn't a good blocker. That was supposedly the reason he wasn't on the field more. Then, it was the fault of Martz because he doesn't know how to use a TE. Now, he's not being used as a receiver because they wanted him to block?He's been in the league 5 years now. It seems like we're running out of excuses.
I didn't say he was a fantastic blocker, I said he was better than Shockey...so that was his role. Let's be honest here, Martz isn't really known for making a productive environment for tight ends, so I think it's fair to give him a clean slate in Carolina.I'll take the gamble on a guy that I can buy for a 2nd round rookie pick in most leagues.
 
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He was the #10 fantasy TE in both 2008 and 2009, the pre-Martz years. I don't think Solorca is suggesting he'll compete with Graham and Gronk, only that he's undervalued right now. He's probably right. He finished #18 last year after being #6 through 8 weeks, #8 on PPG basis. I have him ranked #14 this year.

 
He was the #10 fantasy TE in both 2008 and 2009, the pre-Martz years. I don't think Solorca is suggesting he'll compete with Graham and Gronk, only that he's undervalued right now. He's probably right. He finished #18 last year after being #6 through 8 weeks, #8 on PPG basis. I have him ranked #14 this year.
I think a ranking of 10-14 is a fair target. I saw in the OP extrapolation from 4 games to 16, placing him just behind the top 3, rather than from 12 games to 16, likely placing him in the range you describe. I can't buy that he's a 14 ppg guy who is finally ready to explode.
 
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My projection would have ranked him at sixth based on stats from last year. I am not suggesting that you give a first rounder for him, or take him in the 6th round in redraft. I am just saying the value is there if you can buy low on him.

 
Nice post.Agree with you. He's a nice buy low with Cam progressing, Smith aging, Shockey nearing retirement.
Smiff is a FA, so there's more than a little uncertainty about the passing game in CAR.
No he's not. He will be a free agent next year.The only pass catching player on the team with any uncertainty is Jeremy Shockey, and his loss wouldn't really do much damage to the overall passing game. The team will also get David Gettis back after he missed last year with an injury.The highest profile offensive free agent for Carolina is Shockey. The team doesn't have a lot of cap space (at this point, none), but there are no serious free agency issues other than backup players and marginal starters who are either easy re-signs or easy to replace.Smith, Lafell, and Gettis will surprise people are a WR group, along with Olsen at TE and Pilares as a possible wildcard. A lot of people expect Carolina to go after a big free agent at WR, but I don't expect anything that big. Maybe a Robert Meacham level guy at most.
 
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Fair enough, but until we see they have a solid backup plan for otah when he gets hurt, you have to at least consider it will be more of the same.

 
This is funny because last season all the news was they liked Shockley because HE was the better blocker. Olson is the Jonathan Stewart of tight ends. He'll tease, always get defended in the threads based on one reason or another, but never live up to the fantasy expectations of those defenders.

 
This is funny because last season all the news was they liked Shockley because HE was the better blocker. Olson is the Jonathan Stewart of tight ends. He'll tease, always get defended in the threads based on one reason or another, but never live up to the fantasy expectations of those defenders.
:goodposting: As an owner of Olsen since he was a rookie, I'd love to sell him to a believer. They just never believe quite enough.
 
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This is funny because last season all the news was they liked Shockley because HE was the better blocker. Olson is the Jonathan Stewart of tight ends. He'll tease, always get defended in the threads based on one reason or another, but never live up to the fantasy expectations of those defenders.
All I can tell you is what I saw from watching every moment of every game, half of them in person...and Greg Olsen was clearly the more trusted blocker of the two. I'm a bit of an O-Line geek and spend as more time watching what's happening on the line as I do the other areas of the game. I've read all of the reports about his poor blocking skills, but from what I saw with my own eyes, he's much better than advertised.I could be wrong, and it certainly wouldn't be the first time...but if Greg Olsen doesn't have an injury next season, I will be shocked if he doesn't finish in the top 8 for fantasy TEs. I would expect higher.Also, Shockey was signed long before Olsen...so if he was signed because of superior blocking skills, it wasn't due to Olsen.
 
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tracking his stats tonight vs the Jets

so far

Total Carolina (first string) offensive snaps - 33

Olsen's snaps - 33

times split out wide - 3

targets 4*

other TE targets 0

receptions 3

yards 29

So far, So good . . .

* the one missed target was a throwaway after severe pressure by the Jets. Olsen was the only one in the area code.

 
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Yea I'm looking to target him. He seems to have a higher upside than Tamme (splitting looks with Dreesen) and Fleener (splitting targets with Allen).

I'm really high on Cam this year, I think he will have a great year.

 
Through four weeks, Olsen is looking solid as a TE1, even with a rough week 2.

Right now he's on pace for 80/1024/4.

I think the yards and catches are sustainable, but I think the touchdowns increase.

 
very happy with Olsen as a #1 TE....think he will be more of a factor in the red zone and finish top 10 TEs.

 
Through four weeks, Olsen is looking solid as a TE1, even with a rough week 2. Right now he's on pace for 80/1024/4.I think the yards and catches are sustainable, but I think the touchdowns increase.
Yeah, that rough second week had me dropping Olsen for Rudolph. Now Rudolph had a horrible 4th week. Do I try to go back to Olsen?
 
Through four weeks, Olsen is looking solid as a TE1, even with a rough week 2. Right now he's on pace for 80/1024/4.I think the yards and catches are sustainable, but I think the touchdowns increase.
Yeah, that rough second week had me dropping Olsen for Rudolph. Now Rudolph had a horrible 4th week. Do I try to go back to Olsen?
Do you think people will be dropping Pitta and Bennett due to their bad games? TEs will have up and down weeks.
 
'meanjoegreen said:
'omahawildcat25 said:
'solorca said:
Through four weeks, Olsen is looking solid as a TE1, even with a rough week 2. Right now he's on pace for 80/1024/4.I think the yards and catches are sustainable, but I think the touchdowns increase.
Yeah, that rough second week had me dropping Olsen for Rudolph. Now Rudolph had a horrible 4th week. Do I try to go back to Olsen?
Do you think people will be dropping Pitta and Bennett due to their bad games? TEs will have up and down weeks.
Not old man Gonazalez! Just had his worst week of the year with a 5-51 performance.
 
Finished the fantasy season as TE6 in my ppr league. He's become a trusted receiving option for Cam Newton. For some reason though, he was ranked low nearly every week this year, and in early 2013 rankings, he is still outside of the top 10. It looks like he will likely remain a value going into next season...and I think he's a good guy to target in dynasty leagues right now if you catch an owner who is willing to sell him off for a draft pick.

 
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'duaneok66 said:
he was okay - TE crop was weak this year.
Last year was a strong TE crop. Olsen's numbers this year (pro-rated over the 16th game) would have ranked him 8th last year, right between Gates (13 games) and Davis. The year before, it would have ranked him 5th. The year before, he would have been 8th again (just ahead of Witten, incidentally). He's no Gronkowski, Graham, Gonzalez, or Gates, but he's providing solid-if-unspectacular production at a mere fraction of the price. Jason Witten had a 154 point season in 2010, but in the other 4 of the last 5 seasons, he's averaged 7.46 points per game. Vernon Davis had 175 points in 2009, but in the three seasons since, he's averaged 7.06 ppg. Greg Olsen this season has averaged 7.33 ppg. In other words, he's getting you typical Witten/Davis production for pennies on the dollar. I own him as a backup to Gronk in dynasty, and couldn't be happier. He's the Ben Roethlisberger of TEs.
 

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