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Hacksaw Ridge (1 Viewer)

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Mel Gibson's latest movie and it is brilliant.

You know the guy that directed Braveheart, Apocalypto and Passion of the Christ that wasn't allowed to direct movies for an absurd time because of a drunk rant he apologized for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9BqgHYLvHIE

Go see it and support it so we can get more movies from the guy.

I think the best part about Mel Gibson being shut out from Hollywood for so long is how little they care about the directors that rape children.

 
http://observer.com/2016/11/mel-gibsons-hacksaw-ridge-is-the-best-war-film-since-saving-private-ryan/

Like the voters who plan to stay home on Election Day because they don’t like the candidates, potential filmgoers who avoid Hacksaw Ridge because they object to Mel Gibson will be the losers. Hacksaw Ridge, the true story of a conscientious objector who played a big role in winning World War II by enduring relentless punishment on and off the battlefield, saved countless lives on the front lines in the bloody Battle of Okinawa without ever carrying an assault weapon and became one of the most decorated heroes in military history without firing a single shot, is the best war film since Saving Private Ryan. It is violent, harrowing, heartbreaking and unforgettable. And yes, it was directed by Mel Gibson. He deserves a medal, too.
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Cjw_55106 said:
I don't even know what this means, but OK?

In any case, I liked the movie well enough. Not sure it was as great as people make it out to be. Amazing story though. 
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I thought it was a great movie and did a great job of being honest with history and realistic.  American Sniper was a good movie, but did not stay honest with the facts and final war scene was not only unrealistic but completely fabricated.  If you are going to make a movie based on a true story, stick as much as you can to the facts.  Mel took a few liberties with the facts to add some romantic drama, but the war scenes were pretty spot on.  The court-martial was fabricated although he was of course was a very difficult time by his fellow comrades and command.  He did walk many miles to give blood and tried again a couple days later, but that is not how he met his wife.   He just heard they needed blood and would do anything to help other people.  Doss's story was truly remarkable and Mel did an outstanding job of capturing it and telling the story. 

 
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Much like when I watched 42 (Jackie Robinson), I have to assume Doss was treated worse by his fellow soldiers than they showed. Sure, it doesn't need to consume the movie, but basically once scene was it. I will say, for a movie that ran well over 2 hours, it did not drag along. 

 
Gibson is a racist drunk homophobe anti-semite failing pile of garbage. It will be a cold day in hell before I watch this or any other movie he puts out. I wish I could unwatch the ones I've already seen. #### him imo. 

 
Cjw_55106 said:
Much like when I watched 42 (Jackie Robinson), I have to assume Doss was treated worse by his fellow soldiers than they showed. Sure, it doesn't need to consume the movie, but basically once scene was it. I will say, for a movie that ran well over 2 hours, it did not drag along. 
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Yes and No.  There is nothing to suggest he was ever woken up and beat up in the night by a gang of his colleagues.  I am sure over the course of boot camp, he received a load of crap.  I think Mel's way to condense that was to create that scene.

 
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Cjw_55106 said:
Much like when I watched 42 (Jackie Robinson), I have to assume Doss was treated worse by his fellow soldiers than they showed. Sure, it doesn't need to consume the movie, but basically once scene was it. I will say, for a movie that ran well over 2 hours, it did not drag along. 
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So a holocaust denier downplayed racism? Shocking.

 
McGarnicle said:
Gibson is a racist drunk homophobe anti-semite failing pile of garbage. It will be a cold day in hell before I watch this or any other movie he puts out. I wish I could unwatch the ones I've already seen. #### him imo. 
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Makes me want to watch it again.

 
timschochet said:
His father (Hutton Gibson) is a well known Holocaust denier. Mel Gibson has refused to say if he agrees with his dad or not, but Mel is himself a pretty sad anti-Semite. 
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There you go again with your guilt by association.  Of course no decent person is going to publicly denounce/criticize their father whom they love.  And really, the only thing I know of that his father said was questioning the 6 million figure.  He has sad some pretty stupid things in a drunken state.  I really did not see Passion as anti-Semitic, and none of the concerns that the ADL expressed ever materialized. 

 
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timschochet said:
His father (Hutton Gibson) is a well known Holocaust denier. Mel Gibson has refused to say if he agrees with his dad or not, but Mel is himself a pretty sad anti-Semite. 
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No denying he's an anti-Semite but according to the link below he doesn't deny the Holocaust.

http://abcnews.go.com/Entertainment/story?id=2256719&page=1

"Do I believe that there were concentration camps where defenseless and innocent Jews died cruelly under the Nazi regime? Of course I do, absolutely. It was an atrocity of monumental proportion." Were millions of Jews, 6 million Jews, killed? "Sure," Gibson said casually.

 
In an attempt to get this thread back on track...I'm very interested to see this movie. Sounds like an incredible story and by all accounts they stuck to the facts.

 
Buzzbait said:
In an attempt to get this thread back on track...I'm very interested to see this movie. Sounds like an incredible story and by all accounts they stuck to the facts.
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Definitely a must see movie.  The best movie I have seen in a long time from a story-telling standpoint.   

 
jon_mx said:
There you go again with your guilt by association.  Of course no decent person is going to publicly denounce/criticize their father whom they love.  And really, the only thing I know of that his father said was questioning the 6 million figure.  He has sad some pretty stupid things in a drunken state.  I really did not see Passion as anti-Semitic, and none of the concerns that the ADL expressed ever materialized. 
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I don't believe in guilt by association. The question was raised about whether or not he was a Holocaust denier, and I wrote that it was his father who was a Holocaust denier, not Mel himself (and incidentally, his father did much more than question the 6 million number- he accused the Jews of peddling the Holocaust as a means of controlling the world). 

I also did not bring up the Passion- I did not see that movie so I have no idea if it's antisemitic. I know that Mel Gibson is an antisemite based on his own statements, not his movies. I will NEVER see a Mel Gibson movie again. That is a personal choice as I do not wish to contribute to his wealth in any way. I don't ask or expect anyone else to follow my lead. 

 
timschochet said:
I don't believe in guilt by association. The question was raised about whether or not he was a Holocaust denier, and I wrote that it was his father who was a Holocaust denier, not Mel himself (and incidentally, his father did much more than question the 6 million number- he accused the Jews of peddling the Holocaust as a means of controlling the world). 

I also did not bring up the Passion- I did not see that movie so I have no idea if it's antisemitic. I know that Mel Gibson is an antisemite based on his own statements, not his movies. I will NEVER see a Mel Gibson movie again. That is a personal choice as I do not wish to contribute to his wealth in any way. I don't ask or expect anyone else to follow my lead. 
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Not really. This is excusing Mel from guilt.

They way you worded the original post, you were basically doing the opposite....at least to most readers. 

timschochet said:
His father (Hutton Gibson) is a well known Holocaust denier. Mel Gibson has refused to say if he agrees with his dad or not, but Mel is himself a pretty sad anti-Semite. 
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Cjw_55106 said:
Not really. This is excusing Mel from guilt.

They way you worded the original post, you were basically doing the opposite....at least to most readers. 
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I neither excuse Mel from guilt nor condemn him. He hasn't stated whether or not he agrees with his dad. If you're asking me to give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't. Holocaust denial is only one aspect of antisemitism. Gibson is clearly an antisemite whether he believes in the Holocaust or not. 

 
I'd like to hear more input on this one. A good friend of mine absolutely despised this movie. He said it was a paint by numbers,  cliche-laden film that was extremely inaccurate in its portrayal of how the military functions.  

 
timschochet said:
I neither excuse Mel from guilt nor condemn him. He hasn't stated whether or not he agrees with his dad. If you're asking me to give him the benefit of the doubt, I don't. Holocaust denial is only one aspect of antisemitism. Gibson is clearly an antisemite whether he believes in the Holocaust or not. 
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So it is purely based on one drunken rant over 10 years ago?

 
timschochet said:
Yes. And I don't believe drunkenness plays a part in it. People who aren't antisemites don't say stuff like that no matter how drunk they get. 
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I'm agreeing with timschochet a lot today. I think people might misjudge humor when they get drunk, but they don't spew invective like he did. 

I have no desire to see his movies, really, and I was born and raised Catholic. I'm also Polish and German, so I have no idea about my heritage or the race argument. It shouldn't matter, regardless.  

 
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timschochet said:
Yes. And I don't believe drunkenness plays a part in it. People who aren't antisemites don't say stuff like that no matter how drunk they get. 
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Gibson's drunken statement blamed Jews for all wars.  There are people on this forum who blame all wars on religion.  Where as drunkenness causes people to be more inhibited it also causes people to not think clearly.  Gibson's comment does not even make sense logically.  It probably does reveal some resentment towards Jews for being at the center of many disputes.  Considering Mel's upbringing, even that drunken statement was not that heinous.  Gibson is a seriously flawed individual, especially when drunk, but he has done nothing truly evil. It just seems everyone could be labeled a bigot.  Maybe I have learned not to expect perfection from humans.  

 
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jon_mx said:
Are you drunk?? 
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Halfway there.   :thumbup:

eta* In all seriousness, his rant was really pretty out of line, and I'm hardly a bastion of politically correct thought. I think he's really an anti-semite.  

 
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Ketamine Dreams said:
I'd like to hear more input on this one. A good friend of mine absolutely despised this movie. He said it was a paint by numbers,  cliche-laden film that was extremely inaccurate in its portrayal of how the military functions.  
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The history I have read about this battle seems to disagree with your friend.   I haav seen some liberal blogs really go off on the movie, but many of the things they offered specific criticism on did happen, such as many Japanese committing harry caray after the battle.   Also the forest gump comment at the beginning of this discussion was lifted off a liberal rant.  

 
Ketamine Dreams said:
I'd like to hear more input on this one. A good friend of mine absolutely despised this movie. He said it was a paint by numbers,  cliche-laden film that was extremely inaccurate in its portrayal of how the military functions.  
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i loved it. best new movie i saw in 2016.

i'm sure the film takes liberties with the court martial scene, but the main battle scene (on Hacksaw Ridge) was actually tempered as the film makers didn't think audiences would believe that Doss did everything he actually did.

it's a very inspiring story.

 
oso diablo said:
i loved it. best new movie i saw in 2016.

i'm sure the film takes liberties with the court martial scene, but the main battle scene (on Hacksaw Ridge) was actually tempered as the film makers didn't think audiences would believe that Doss did everything he actually did.

it's a very inspiring story.
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Couldn't agree more.

Phenomenal story, phenomenal film.

 
jon_mx said:
Gibson's drunken statement blamed Jews for all wars.  There are people on this forum who blame all wars on religion.  Where as drunkenness causes people to be more inhibited it also causes people to not think clearly.  Gibson's comment does not even make sense logically.  It probably does reveal some resentment towards Jews for being at the center of many disputes.  Considering Mel's upbringing, even that drunken statement was not that heinous.  Gibson is a seriously flawed individual, especially when drunk, but he has done nothing truly evil. It just seems everyone could be labeled a bigot.  Maybe I have learned not to expect perfection from humans.  
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This is an embarrassing attempt at defending his comments. It reminds me of arguments I have had in my life with progressives who refuse to express moral outrage. I didn't expect it from you. 

 
Chaka said:
Being drunk reveals character, it is not an excuse. It's sad that so many are willing to grant absolution based on that.

Then again, say what you will about him; the son of a ##### knows story structure.
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It does not reveal character, it exaggerates thoughts.   It probably says more about his upbringing than anything.  If people were judged based on every thought which popped into their heads in a drunken state, we would all suck. Let's judge people when they are thinking straight. But please, stay on your judgemental high-horse and keep acting like those religious fanatics you hate.  There is a reason someone like Trump won, the left has grossly overplayed the race card and it is wearing thin with most people. 

 
jon_mx said:
It does not reveal character, it exaggerates thoughts.   It probably says more about his upbringing than anything.  If people were judged based on every thought which popped into their heads in a drunken state, we would all suck. Let's judge people when they are thinking straight. But please, stay on your judgemental high-horse and keep acting like those religious fanatics you hate.  There is a reason someone like Trump won, the left has grossly overplayed the race card and it is wearing thin with most people. 
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So now Trump won because we're condemning Mel Gibson? 

 
timschochet said:
This is an embarrassing attempt at defending his comments. It reminds me of arguments I have had in my life with progressives who refuse to express moral outrage. I didn't expect it from you. 
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See my post above.  I see a McCarthy-like actions from the left when it comes to bigotry.  It has worn thin on much of the populous.  Of course you are as guilty as anyone.  If a Muslim uttered Mel's exact words, you would not even flinch.  A conservative says something remotely questionable, and #### hits the fan.  Get him saying something sober. 

 
timschochet said:
So now Trump won because we're condemning Mel Gibson? 
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He won partly because of the 'deplorables' attitude that comes from the left.  It is not just Mel, it is the billions of other times the bigot card is pulled on any given day. 

 
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timschochet said:
This is an embarrassing attempt at defending his comments. It reminds me of arguments I have had in my life with progressives who refuse to express moral outrage. I didn't expect it from you. 
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I am not a fan of moral outrage from the left or right. :shrug:  

 
jon_mx said:
See my post above.  I see a McCarthy-like actions from the left when it comes to bigotry.  It has worn thin on much of the populous.  Of course you are as guilty as anyone.  If a Muslim uttered Mel's exact words, you would not even flinch.  A conservative says something remotely questionable, and #### hits the fan.  Get him saying something sober. 
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Wow. You're as wrong as you can be.

First off you're wrong about me. I have condemned Louis Farrakhan several times for saying EXACTLY the same garbage that Gibson did. And yes it's worse coming from Farrakhan because he was sober and because he has an audience when he says it. And I flinch every time I hear it.

Next, you're wrong about Gibson. You keep going back to this drunk thing. All that means is that he was willing to say stuff he's been thinking all along. Stop making ####### excuses for him. It's pathetic, and since you're not an antisemite yourself, it's beneath you.

And you're wrong about the "left's" position on bigotry. But so are a lot of conservatives. I can't prove that to you now. All I can do is point out that 20 years ago the same arguments were made by conservatives about stuff that everybody accepts today. And so I ask you to remember this conversation 20 years from now, and you will be embarrassed that you ever attacked what you call "political correctness", because by then it will seem like simple common sense and decency.

 
timschochet said:
Wow. You're as wrong as you can be.

First off you're wrong about me. I have condemned Louis Farrakhan several times for saying EXACTLY the same garbage that Gibson did. And yes it's worse coming from Farrakhan because he was sober and because he has an audience when he says it. And I flinch every time I hear it.

Next, you're wrong about Gibson. You keep going back to this drunk thing. All that means is that he was willing to say stuff he's been thinking all along. Stop making ####### excuses for him. It's pathetic, and since you're not an antisemite yourself, it's beneath you.

And you're wrong about the "left's" position on bigotry. But so are a lot of conservatives. I can't prove that to you now. All I can do is point out that 20 years ago the same arguments were made by conservatives about stuff that everybody accepts today. And so I ask you to remember this conversation 20 years from now, and you will be embarrassed that you ever attacked what you call "political correctness", because by then it will seem like simple common sense and decency.
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 I am fairly certain 20 years from now condemning someone for an incoherent ignorant statement made by someone who is drunk off their #### over a decade ago, will still be stupid.  

 
jon_mx said:
It does not reveal character, it exaggerates thoughts.   It probably says more about his upbringing than anything.  If people were judged based on every thought which popped into their heads in a drunken state, we would all suck. Let's judge people when they are thinking straight. But please, stay on your judgemental high-horse and keep acting like those religious fanatics you hate.  There is a reason someone like Trump won, the left has grossly overplayed the race card and it is wearing thin with most people. 
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Annnnddddd this is why that Stanford rapist got like 4 months in prison for raping that girl behind the dumpster.

He was drunk.  Not his fault, obviously.

 
FreeBaGeL said:
Annnnddddd this is why that Stanford rapist got like 4 months in prison for raping that girl behind the dumpster.

He was drunk.  Not his fault, obviously.
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Words and actions are completely different.  it is a huge leap to compare stupid statements with felonious acts of violence.  

 
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Enjoyed the movie.  No fan of Gibson but artists / actors are always eccentric.

Always surprised to hear British actors pull-off a southern accent as Andrew Garfield did.

 
jon_mx said:
Words and actions are completely different.  it is a huge leap to compare stupid statements with felonious acts of violence.  
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And Mel Gibson isn't being put in jail for his statements.

The point is the same.  You shouldn't get out of the consequences of something just because you were drunk while you did it.  You shouldn't get out of going to jail for raping or killing someone just because you were drunk while you did it, and you shouldn't get out of being publicly chastised or blackballed for something you said just because you were drunk while you said it.

 
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