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I thought this was a really good film. What Doss did in real life is beyond amazing.
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CGRdrJoe
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Forget the director, what Doss did was un freaken real. Below is the citation to his medal of honor:
The President of the United States of America, in the name of Congress, takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to Private First Class Desmond Thomas Doss, United States Army, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action above and beyond the call of duty from April 29 – 21 May 1945, while serving with the Medical Detachment, 307th Infantry Regiment, 77th Infantry Division, in action at Urasoe Mura, Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands. Private First Class Doss was a company aid man when the 1st Battalion assaulted a jagged escarpment 400 feet high. As our troops gained the summit, a heavy concentration of artillery, mortar and machine gun fire crashed into them, inflicting approximately 75 casualties and driving the others back. Pfc. Doss refused to seek cover and remained in the fire-swept area with the many stricken, carrying all 75 casualties one-by-one to the edge of the escarpment and there lowering them on a rope-supported litter down the face of a cliff to friendly hands. On May 2, he exposed himself to heavy rifle and mortar fire in rescuing a wounded man 200 yards forward of the lines on the same escarpment; and 2 days later he treated 4 men who had been cut down while assaulting a strongly defended cave, advancing through a shower of grenades to within eight yards of enemy forces in a cave's mouth, where he dressed his comrades' wounds before making 4 separate trips under fire to evacuate them to safety. On May 5, he unhesitatingly braved enemy shelling and small arms fire to assist an artillery officer. He applied bandages, moved his patient to a spot that offered protection from small arms fire and, while artillery and mortar shells fell close by, painstakingly administered plasma. Later that day, when an American was severely wounded by fire from a cave, Pfc. Doss crawled to him where he had fallen 25 feet from the enemy position, rendered aid, and carried him 100 yards to safety while continually exposed to enemy fire. On May 21, in a night attack on high ground near Shuri, he remained in exposed territory while the rest of his company took cover, fearlessly risking the chance that he would be mistaken for an infiltrating Japanese and giving aid to the injured until he was himself seriously wounded in the legs by the explosion of a grenade. Rather than call another aid man from cover, he cared for his own injuries and waited 5 hours before litter bearers reached him and started carrying him to cover. The trio was caught in an enemy tank attack and Pfc. Doss, seeing a more critically wounded man nearby, crawled off the litter; and directed the bearers to give their first attention to the other man. Awaiting the litter bearers' return, he was again struck, by a sniper bullet while being carried off the field by a comrade, this time suffering a compound fracture of one arm. With magnificent fortitude he bound a rifle stock to his shattered arm as a splint and then crawled 300 yards over rough terrain to the aid station. Through his outstanding bravery and unflinching determination in the face of desperately dangerous conditions, Pfc. Doss saved the lives of many soldiers. His name became a symbol throughout the 77th Infantry Division for outstanding gallantry far above and beyond the call of duty.
The President of the United States of America, in the name of Congress, takes pleasure in presenting the Medal of Honor to Private First Class Desmond Thomas Doss, United States Army, for conspicuous gallantry and intrepidity in action above and beyond the call of duty from April 29 – 21 May 1945, while serving with the Medical Detachment, 307th Infantry Regiment, 77th Infantry Division, in action at Urasoe Mura, Okinawa, Ryukyu Islands. Private First Class Doss was a company aid man when the 1st Battalion assaulted a jagged escarpment 400 feet high. As our troops gained the summit, a heavy concentration of artillery, mortar and machine gun fire crashed into them, inflicting approximately 75 casualties and driving the others back. Pfc. Doss refused to seek cover and remained in the fire-swept area with the many stricken, carrying all 75 casualties one-by-one to the edge of the escarpment and there lowering them on a rope-supported litter down the face of a cliff to friendly hands. On May 2, he exposed himself to heavy rifle and mortar fire in rescuing a wounded man 200 yards forward of the lines on the same escarpment; and 2 days later he treated 4 men who had been cut down while assaulting a strongly defended cave, advancing through a shower of grenades to within eight yards of enemy forces in a cave's mouth, where he dressed his comrades' wounds before making 4 separate trips under fire to evacuate them to safety. On May 5, he unhesitatingly braved enemy shelling and small arms fire to assist an artillery officer. He applied bandages, moved his patient to a spot that offered protection from small arms fire and, while artillery and mortar shells fell close by, painstakingly administered plasma. Later that day, when an American was severely wounded by fire from a cave, Pfc. Doss crawled to him where he had fallen 25 feet from the enemy position, rendered aid, and carried him 100 yards to safety while continually exposed to enemy fire. On May 21, in a night attack on high ground near Shuri, he remained in exposed territory while the rest of his company took cover, fearlessly risking the chance that he would be mistaken for an infiltrating Japanese and giving aid to the injured until he was himself seriously wounded in the legs by the explosion of a grenade. Rather than call another aid man from cover, he cared for his own injuries and waited 5 hours before litter bearers reached him and started carrying him to cover. The trio was caught in an enemy tank attack and Pfc. Doss, seeing a more critically wounded man nearby, crawled off the litter; and directed the bearers to give their first attention to the other man. Awaiting the litter bearers' return, he was again struck, by a sniper bullet while being carried off the field by a comrade, this time suffering a compound fracture of one arm. With magnificent fortitude he bound a rifle stock to his shattered arm as a splint and then crawled 300 yards over rough terrain to the aid station. Through his outstanding bravery and unflinching determination in the face of desperately dangerous conditions, Pfc. Doss saved the lives of many soldiers. His name became a symbol throughout the 77th Infantry Division for outstanding gallantry far above and beyond the call of duty.
The General
Footballguy
Finally got to watch this. A bit heavy handed but intense war scenes and just an amazing story. Very entertaining.
Vince Vaughn laughably miscast, almost as bad as True Dectective.
Vince Vaughn laughably miscast, almost as bad as True Dectective.
beer 30
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Man I keep wanting to post this every time this thread gets bumped and forget. Spot on, had no business in this movie.
The General
Footballguy
I love Vince Vaughn but he has a certain thing he does. Playing a drill sergeant isn't one of them.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Not sure what "heavy-handed" is in reference to.
What Doss did is as amazing as anything anyone has ever done in modern warfare. The pre-war stuff was pretty necessary to understand his motivation for being a conscientious objector, which is really a crucial part of the story.
Very good movie, great story.
What Doss did is as amazing as anything anyone has ever done in modern warfare. The pre-war stuff was pretty necessary to understand his motivation for being a conscientious objector, which is really a crucial part of the story.
Very good movie, great story.
nirad3
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The General said:
I don't know why VV keeps trying nor why Hollywood keeps letting him. Worse in TD than this one. I'm a huge Vaughn fan and wish he'd just stick to his wheelhouse. He was actually really good in Clay Pigeons, a non-comedic role.... I think he keeps trying to rediscover that magic. At least in that film the snarkiness and (twisted) humor was part of the bit.As for Hacksaw, real good. Doss, what an incredible story.
Also, Andrew Garfield is Jewish
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The General
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It's hard to do this type of movie without getting a bit after school specialish for my taste. The sappy love story, mentioned earlier Vaughn's cheesy delivery on dialogue, some of the interactions bewteen the characters. It's hard to do.
Thought it was pretty great and very entertaining. Mel does the war and action stuff really well.
pantherclub
Footballguy
Just watched this. Why didnt the Japs cut the rope ladder or simply drop bombs on the Americans on the bottom?
KarmaPolice
Footballguy
Interesting story, but a pretty bad movie. Thought the first 1/2 of the movie was cringe-worthy, but it did get a little better.
beer 30
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The below link has a decent description of the battlefield. Just guessing because I know nothing about it other than what I saw in the movie and some anecdotal WWII knowledge but it appears the Japanese were entrenched on the opposite side of the battlefield where the rope ladder was set up. At that point in the war the Japanese air power was pretty limited if I remember correctly. Island defense was set up such that they had small arms (mortars) hidden within intricate underground & cave networks rather than large ordinance that could reach out and touch someone. My guess? The American forces were out of range of any mortars the Japanese could get close enough and what little air force they had left was being targeted at the American fleet lobbing 16" shells and aircraft at Okinawa.
http://www.joedemadio.com/hacksaw-ridge-movie-story-medal-of-honor-monday/
tommyGunZ
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To clarify, the idea that people who go on bigoted rants when they are drunk may actually be bigots, is McCarthyism-like?
No, the idea you codemn a person based on a few drunken rants and dismiss/boycott everything else he does (which in my view is far less forgiving because of his politics). Take Tim for instance, he refuses to watch a Mel Gibson movie but is OK of the Roman Polanski's. I don't black ball movies because of the politics and/or antics of the director or actors. It is possible or even probable that Mel has some issues with other's religion. But everyone has issues with people with different views and I don't Mel is extreme outside of when he is drunk. Many of the anti-Trumpsters on this forum are outright hostile towards those who suggest different viewpoints.
Chadstroma
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Easily the worst part of the movie. I like Vince but this was not a good casting decision.
OrtonToOlsen
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tommyGunZ
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OrtonToOlsen
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tommyGunZ
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Notice how the ADJ had the gavel literally in his hand when his Dad barged in.at his dad and the court martial
Good lord
Movie is absolute trash. FFA righties hyping it as the "best movie in years" is exactly why we have Trump.
OrtonToOlsen
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OrtonToOlsen
Footballguy
OK, comic book CGI in the first battle scene made me tap out.
What a waste of an amazing story.
What a waste of an amazing story.
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