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Has Randy Moss Secured His Place in Canton? (1 Viewer)
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David Yudkin
Footballguy
Yes, and IMO he was in before he left Minnesota.
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The Man Who Met Andy Griffith
Footballguy
No, he hasn't secured it. If he dies or retires today, he may not make it in. If he becomes a distraction and puts up poor stats like he did in OAK, he probably doesn't make it in.
If, as I expect, he continues to play well this year and the Pats win a SB this year, OR if he continues to play well for the next two years, then he will have secured it.
On the whole, I'd give him an 85% shot of making it in. I expect that to rise above 95% within six months.
If, as I expect, he continues to play well this year and the Pats win a SB this year, OR if he continues to play well for the next two years, then he will have secured it.
On the whole, I'd give him an 85% shot of making it in. I expect that to rise above 95% within six months.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I thought his time in Oakland tarnished his career a bit and if he had retired last year, I would have been willing to entertain arguments for keeping him out of the HOF. But that was last year. His performance this year makes his induction a no-brainer IMO.
Deuce'sWild
Footballguy
He is the one of the most dominate WRs to play the game. Yes.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I give a begrudging yes.
If Irvin makes it, Moss is in for sure.
If Irvin makes it, Moss is in for sure.
The Reytheist
Footballguy
Secured? No.
All too likely? Yes.
All too likely? Yes.
gianmarco
Footballguy
Only because he didn't feel like it
trader jake
Footballguy
Yes. To argue against his rightful place in the Hall Of Fame is foolish.
Pipes
Footballguy
and I agree especially with a guy like Gale Sayers in Moss is a no-brainer
TommyGilmore
Footballguy
The argument against guys like Art Monk or Andre Reed was always "they were never the #1 WR in any given year". Well, Moss was the unquestioned #1 WR for 6 straight years. Moss had more Pro Bowls in 6 years than most receivers have in a lifetime.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
HOF? are you kidding.
he's the most unstoppable weapon in the history of the NFL.
he's the most unstoppable weapon in the history of the NFL.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
when it comes to the HOF, i don't see how winning a super bowl would matter for a WR (and it matters for other players way more than it should anyway)
LHUCKS
Footballguy
Depends on the pool doesn't it?
meanjoegreen
Footballguy
He seemed pretty stoppable the 3 seasons prior to this season.
How many receivers already in the hall would consider a 13 TD year a down year?
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
I really can't believe 30 people voted no. That's just incredible.
TLEF316
Footballguy
read the poll question. thats why i voted no. i think moss is in.
Does seem silly. However, getting in the first time he's up for vote with the way he acted a number of times, that might be difficult. Maybe not, but ya never know how those things creep up on ya.
maxwell1295
Footballguy
I think his start this season will be what propels him back into the HOF picture (yes, IMO he was out). This proves that he is more than just a product of a few good (actually great) seasons in Minnesota. This proves that he was not on the repid decline that so many (including myself) thought he was on. This also proves that when healthy (and happy) he is still without a doubt THE most electrifying WR to ever play this game. Rice was better, but no one has been more electrifying than Randy Moss.....except maybe Rocket Ismail when he was at ND.
bcr8f
Footballguy
No longevity and consistency are important to get into the Hall. A few more years and he should get in, but I don't see it yet.
ScottNorwood
Footballcutie
the most dominate?
maxwell1295
Footballguy
I don't know about that. Next to Carl lewis and maybe Deion Sanders, Bo is the best athlete of this era. It's a shame his career was shortened, because he was something special. Moss has the edge because of his longevity. The fact that he has picked up in NE where he left off in Minny only adds to what he has already done. I think 7 years of double-digit TDs and 111 career TDs are hard to argue with. MOSS+----------+-----+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----++-------------------------+| 1998 min | 16 | 69 1313 19.0 17 || 1999 min | 16 | 80 1413 17.7 11 || 2000 min | 16 | 77 1437 18.7 15 || 2001 min | 16 | 82 1233 15.0 10 || 2002 min | 16 | 106 1347 12.7 7 || 2003 min | 16 | 111 1632 14.7 17 || 2004 min | 13 | 49 767 15.7 13 || 2005 oak | 16 | 60 1005 16.8 8 || 2006 oak | 13 | 42 553 13.2 3 || 2007 nwe | 7 | 44 732 16.6 10|BO +--------------------------+-------------------------+ | Rushing | Receiving |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| Year TM | G | Att Yards Y/A TD | Rec Yards Y/R TD |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| 1987 rai | 7 | 81 554 6.8 4 | 16 136 8.5 2 || 1988 rai | 10 | 136 580 4.3 3 | 9 79 8.8 0 || 1989 rai | 11 | 173 950 5.5 4 | 9 69 7.7 0 || 1990 rai | 10 | 125 698 5.6 5 | 6 68 11.3 0 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+| TOTAL | 38 | 515 2782 5.4 16 | 40 352 8.8 2 |+----------+-----+--------------------------+-------------------------+
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Why? The Pac 10 isn't that great this year.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
Yeah I read it. Every one of his posts includes that shtick.
matuski
Footballguy
Longevity - check. Consistency - check.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
My feeling as well. I was always amused by the people who said "no unless he revitalizes his career in New England".
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
Are we talking about baseball now?
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
twitch
Footballguy
Randy Moss played on a 15-1 team his rookie season, in which he averaged 19yds a catch and scored 17TDs, that is to this point the highest scoring team in NFL history. He's now playing on a 7-0 team that is on pace to shatter that same team scoring record, and he's averaging close to 17yds a catch with 10 TDs. He'll likely be the most significant offensive player on the TWO top scoring teams in NFL history. That alone pretty much speaks for itself.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
To be fair, his tenure in Oakland was genuinely disgraceful. Granted, it was Oakland and we all know how that goes. But still, it was a legitimate point at the time.
I just can't see how someone who turns it on and off when he wants to can be considered for the hall of fame. His dominant play and statistics are definitely worthy of consideration, but his attitude and selfishness the past two years are a definite problem for me if I had a vote.Definitely in the minority here but that is my position and I'm sticking to it.
KnowledgeReignsSupreme
Footballguy
No it wasn't.If he had retired at the end of last year, he wouldn't be the first HOF to have the end of his career fizzle on a pathetic team. In fact, that happened to many of the greats (OJ Simpson and Earl Campbell to name a few). Maybe you take points away for attitude, but I don't. He would've had to be convicted of burning down an orphanage or something before I start looking at that.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
It wasn't about his career fizzling because of age or something like that. He was a complete zero during that time and seemed to give no effort whatsoever. I find that problematic when we're talking about a guy for HOF consideration. If he had retired last year, yeah I'd say he'd go into the HOF based on his body of work in Min. But I don't think it would be unfair at all to point out that he disgraced himself, his team, and the game during his years in Oakland, and I couldn't blame somebody for holding that against him.
Iwannabeacowboybaby!
Footballguy
I'm not sure if he was in before he left Minnesota and we'll never know for sure but I think he's in for sure.I also think Terell Owens is in too.
Tau837
Footballguy
I think Moss is in. But it has nothing to do with Sayers.The worst thing to do in making a case for someone to make the HOF is to use the "Player X is in the HOF and Player Y is better than him so Player Y should get in too" argument. First of all, in football moreso than many other sports, it is too hard to compare across eras due to changes in the game and in treatment of injuries, training methods, etc. And in the event that a player who really wasn't deserving is ever selected, this kind of thinking enables more "mistakes" to be made, compounding the original mistake. IMO this type of thinking has led to the baseball HOF being diluted with a number of players who don't belong.And on top of that, Sayers is one of the best players to have ever played the game, and your comment could be taken to imply otherwise.and I agree especially with a guy like Gale Sayers in Moss is a no-brainer
Tau837
Footballguy
That is indeed a pretty compelling point, though I would personally think of Brady as the most significant offensive player on the Pats this season.
twitch
Footballguy
Im gonna try and stay objective here in asking a few questions about the Oakland Raiders the past couple of years. Im a Pats fan, so it may not be possible. But Oakland has been far and away the worst team in the league for the past 2 or 3 years, imo. Excluding this season. Would anyone argue that? Theyve probably shown the worst level of ownership, coaching and QBing in the league the past 3 years. They wait until well into the season to even sign their #1 draft pick this season. Why? What message does that send? They hire a coach bascially off the street last year as well as his O coordinator, who hadnt coached in the NFL for over 10 years. Then, after ONE year, the team fires them both. They never should have been hired in the first place, but who does that? What exactly was the deal with Jerry Porter last season? To my knowledge, the team wouldnt even play the guy even after he was healthy enough to suit up. He had a single catch last year. And I wouldnt call him a star, but he's one of their better players. No action all season? Why? Was it because he had a few choice words for the coach or ownership? I cant recall exactly. The 80something year old(or however old the guy is) insistst on running the team himself, even though he's proven over the past several years to not be sharp enough to still do so and field a competitive team. His eye for talent and skill for running an organization obviously should be called into question. These are just a handful of issues that I am aware of as a non-fan, and opinons of someone on the outside looking in.But Randy Moss was traded into this nightmare of an organization with ZERO consultation, made the most of the situation the 1st year. He had a 1000yd season and 8TDs with WHO at QB. Aaron Brooks? A QB deemed so skilled that even today, he's not rostered on an NFL team. And he was the good QB. He obviously decided he just couldnt take it anymore at some point in the 2nd season. Considering it was probably the last team he wanted to be traded to, and I say that because it would certainly be last on my personal list, Im not gonna hold it against the guy for doing what was nessecary to get out. It got ugly, his reputation has been somewhat scarred, but he's moved on and shown that he's far from done. It will never erase the ugly nightmare that was his 2 years in Oakland. But imo, it does little to tarnish his overall greatness. He's a HOF lock for certain, possibly not 1st ballot because of his stay in Oakland, but without a doubt a Canton resident for life.
David Yudkin
Footballguy
For those voting no, I suggest you look at the (very short) list of players that have scored 100+ TDs (20 to be exact) and see who lives in that rarified air. Unless they start playing 24 games a year, 100 TDs puts you in elite company.
twitch
Footballguy
that's a point Id have a hard time arguing with. To offer a slight counter, Id possibly say Brady is most valuable. Moss is perhaps the most feared and maybe most influential (regarding opposing teams' gameplans)? I dont know. He was a factor on both teams.
az_prof
Footballguy
Yes, and I agree that he did before he left MN. The only player who has performed close to him is Rice and TO, but he has played with worse QBs on worse teams.The claim that some how he is "problem" and so that puts it in question is absolutely ridiculous. he hasn't commited any crimes. And there are lot of people in Canton who were problems in the locker room I guarantee you and a lot of jerks. Canton is about talent and performance, not personality.
