But it create a situation where blacks are irrationally afraid of whites to the point they believe the inner city hell holes are safer than having to deal with whites. It is creating psychological barriers to integration into a better place.
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Hate Crimes Against Asians Rising -- Debates Within About Reportage And Race Of Perpetrators (1 Viewer)
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But it create a situation where blacks are irrationally afraid of whites to the point they believe the inner city hell holes are safer than having to deal with whites. It is creating psychological barriers to integration into a better place.
The Commish
Footballguy
I mean, CNN is a living, walking, talking BLATANT example of what I'm talking about and the fringes of Fox and MSNBC just keep running opposite directions. The other fallacy that is almost ALWAYS brought up in these arguments is this notion that things change socially IMMEDIATELY after the law changes. This "the laws are fair" stuff, while technically true doesn't mean that the impacts of when they weren't fair are suddenly gone. That takes generations. Unfortunately, that's being fought in a bunch of different places and is taking longer than it should.Yeah, it's not unavoidable. I don't have a problem with it. Normally, the only exposure I have to any of thatstuff is because I run across it here and choose (poorly) to click the links. In the past 6 years, I think I can count on one hand how many times I've knowingly clicked on a link from our mainstream media. This is an experiment I've had going since 2016 and I'm not going back to the old way of doing things ever again. It's been an interesting ride to say the lease.
I put problem in quotes because, in my view, it's akin to slamming your head into a wall while complaining you have a headache. That's not really a problem....it's a choice. If you want the headache to go away, make different choices and the "problem" is solved.
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Asian-Amrrican News reported, but no picture or reference to race of the assailant in the article.
The New York Times is still silent.
The New York Times is still silent.
Also reported in the UK, but not locally by the New York Times.
Interesting note in New York just how badly crime is getting out of control...
New data shows that in the first weeks of the year: Robberies are up almost 35 percent, rapes are up more than 35 percent, shootings are up 30 percent and crime overall has hit a 41.65 percent increase.
Interesting note in New York just how badly crime is getting out of control...
New data shows that in the first weeks of the year: Robberies are up almost 35 percent, rapes are up more than 35 percent, shootings are up 30 percent and crime overall has hit a 41.65 percent increase.
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
I’m sure a FBG went out for a bagel this morning and didn’t get mugged so it’s all a blatant lie
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Well, TBH, I looked out my front window this morning in Wisconsin and didn't see anything happening in NY from here so clearly everything is fine in NY.
Yes because under Mayor de Blasio passed comprehensive police reform which fixed the issue of over policing. The problem was the police, obviously.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
Yep. Little more than pissing into the wind trying to point it out on a board with these levels of diversity though.
timschochet
Footballguy
I don’t agree. If I as a white guy can understand this, then there’s no reason other white guys reading this can’t do the same.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
Shula-holic
Footballguy
I don't think it's a lack of understanding. I think it's a fundamental disagreement with the ways to go forward as a society.
If it turns out in these situations it was racially motivated, sure it needs to be reported as such, no issue at all there. But as it stands, unarmed people of all races are going to be killed in these encounters from time to time. Often times, while unfortunate, race may well not have been the reason the incident occurs anymore so than when it's a white person. I'm sure that is a disagreement as well.
When we view any incident where the race happens to fit the narrative as a racially motivated incident, it's no wonder we have the issues we do. I mean we have statues up of George Floyd as if he were some sort of hero. Looking at his record and what was occurring, I think that's why a lot of people have a problem with how we treat these situations today. He was killed in a criminal incident just as many are every day. His killer should be punished, but we are canonizing people who shouldn't be who happen to be victims of incidents just as many others are, sadly, every day in this country.
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Summer Wheat
Footballguy
If you realize it or not you do have some serious white guilt going on I have read at least 10 times from different people saying the same. It is Ok just own it.
What is the saying.."If it walks like a duck"
Yes, because whites are inferior human beings and incapable of understanding plight of other humans. This is the exact mentality which makes modern leftism evil. It devalues whites.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Just give the people straight unbiased news. That is not too hard to ask for.
If a black cop shoots a white person say, if a white cop shoots a black person say it. If a black guy beats an Asian senseless say it. If an Asian shoots a black guy or white guy say it.
Other wise there is no need to ever mention race. Just report what happened.
Desert_Power
Footballguy
I'm personally gutted that the dude who calls liberals evil and cancer didn't like my post while inferring I think whites are inferior.
The only surprising about your post is that somehow you are allowed to make such awful claims about other posters.
Lol...exactly what race was your post talking about "pissing into the wind" about their inability to understand why a black guy getting shot is important vs. A white guy getting shot. The way the left makes judgements of importance of stories about victims and assailants purely based on race is so vile. The poor Asian model who was nearly beaten to death is unimportant because she was beaten by a black male. If only she was beaten by a white dude we would have cared enough to report it /New York Times. IMO, that is evil and vile.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I don’t have a problem reporting the race of the victim when the victim’s race appears (as it does here) to be a motivation for the attack, and not in other instances when the victim’s race does not appear to be relevant to the crime.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
bigbottom said:
How does one determine if race was a motivation before we hear all the evidence at a trial? Who gets to make that call? The media? I think they've shown they can't be trusted anymore.
I would rather we just always announce the race or don't ever announce the race. Unless the perp shouts "Black Power" or "White Power" before they do something, it's way too subjective a call.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
If law enforcement concludes under the circumstances that there may have been a racial component to the attack, I don’t mind that getting reported.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
That wouldn't be determined on the spot in most cases.so law enforcement isn't the one who gets to determine that. I would think that would be for the DA and whoever is bringing the charges - once they have all the evidence.
I would rather people who are closest to the facts report it - and that ain't the media.
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bigbottom
Footballguy
Oftentimes law enforcement gives a statement when investigating a crime. If that statement includes reference to a potential racial component related to the attack, I have no problem with that being reported.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
That's fine. I just don't agree.
There is too much subjectivity and too much of an agenda for the media to determine that. That's why they report race for everything or never. Or wait until we have all of the facts at trial.
bigbottom
Footballguy
I don’t know why you would object to newspapers simply reporting on the subject matter contained in statements from law enforcement, but you do seem really passionate about the issue.
BladeRunner
Footballguy
Because even law enforcement gets it wrong sometimes, which is why we need to wait.
Also, you're the one in here arguing just as passionately as I am.
In fact, I would say "passionately" is probably adding something for effect. IMO, we're just two dudes having a convesation.
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bigbottom
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“I don’t mind” and “it doesn’t bother me” aren’t really phrases that I would attribute to passionate argument-making. I’m not the one complaining about how things are reported or asserting that the press must take an all or nothing approach when reporting on race. But yeah, we are just two dudes having a conversation. Thanks for the exchange, and the reminder. I do think the PSF would be a lot better if we kept that sentiment in mind. Good on you.Because even law enforcement gets it wrong sometimes, which is why we need to wait.
Also, you're the one in here arguing just as passionately as I am.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Last time a FBG went out for a bagel he sure got mugged in the covid thread.Cowboysfan8 said:
@jobarules iirc
rockaction
Footballguy
I told BB I would change the title when this came up again. It's caught my attention, so consider the title to be a more neutral one.
rockaction
Footballguy
I don't know if what I came up with was satisfactory. In looking back through the thread, we agreed that inflammatorily focusing on double standards was not going to be its essence anymore, but that has been rekindled. If anyone takes offense to the title, let me know and the reasoning behind it.
I started with an observation backed up in this very thread and then assessed where our current debate was relating to the incidence of violence against Asians.
I started with an observation backed up in this very thread and then assessed where our current debate was relating to the incidence of violence against Asians.
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parasaurolophus
Footballguy
The video of the homeless guy that hits the woman on the head with a baseball bat is just brutal.
I don't understand how New York, San Fran, seattle, Milwaukee, etc just continue to let this happen.
I don't understand how New York, San Fran, seattle, Milwaukee, etc just continue to let this happen.
bigbottom said:
I have no problem if there was any consistency to how race was reported. My position is that rules should be applied equally. But for the MSM, the rules are as follows.
White perpetrator against minority.
1. Major story jumped on immediately.
2. All races are mentioned. Brutality of crime emphasized.
3. Vigorous attempts to link perpetrator to the GOP or white nationalists groups.
4. White supremacy named as the culprit and right-wing media and politicians bear the blame.
Black perpetrator against minority
1. Story is avoided.
2. If story goes viral, only victim victim's race is identified in article.
3. If really viral, picture of perpetrator is provided. Picture of victim is glamor shot not showing brutality.
4. Make general reference to Trump and COVID for the reason for the rise in hate crimes.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Christina Lee story is pretty awful.
Black homeless man killed her in her own apartment.
Black homeless man killed her in her own apartment.
Caveman33
Footballguy
What changes should be made? Stiffer punishments? More involved beat cops?
I believe most attacks are opportunistic, rather than racially motivated. Soft targets or those perceived to be weak are targeted more frequently.
supermike80
Footballguy
I dont see them as racially motivated either...But they need to be dealt with somehow...and if that means jail, then jail..Some sort of deterrent needs to be introduced.
djmich
Footballguy
What changes would you make, if any?
In general I do think punishments and enforcement do need to be re-evaluated. The guy in NYC that was arrested 44 times only to beat the lady on the subway platform...something wrong when after 44 arrests you still have the opportunity to hurt and kill people.
But the answer really probably revolves around how to better handle the mentally ill.
As someone living in NY, you are dead wrong. Maybe its different everywhere else.
When Asians were getting attacked at he start of the pandemic, it was called a hate crime. Then all of a sudden, the press realized that they were mostly being attacked by black (often) homeless people and the hate crime angle suddenly disappeared.
Caveman33
Footballguy
I think the best approach involves both strong deterrents, like long sentences and the death penalty, and programs to prevent youths and other at-risk individuals from developing a DGAF attitude. We can't rely upon peoples' morals and consciences to keep us safe. Many people lack these basic aspects of humanity and I suspect they are out breeding those with more desirable traits.
Law enforcement also needs to become more involved in active patrols. In my opinion, they are generally lazy, travel in packs in vehicles, and are likely conducting a soft boycott now in response to the anti-police protests. It's probably frustrating to arrest people for legitimate crimes, only to see the DA drop charges.
Mentally illness is overblown and often used as an excuse. Who isn't mentally ill or medicated nowadays? I see a lot of homeless fighting with ghosts. They are suffering from meth psychosis, not schizophrenia. I assume the meth may alter their brain chemistry and cause long term damage but these people still know right from wrong. We need to hold everyone accountable, not make excuses for antisocial behavior. Soft punishments are disrespectful to their past, present, and future victims. Also, victimhood can breed victimizers. We need to break the cycle and nip that in the bud.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yes. Like locking them up when they commit crimes.
"Helping the mentally ill" has basically become a cop out. It is obviously a moving target and a much more ambiguous area.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Yes and yes.
I don't care if stiffer punishments don't act as a deterrent to people not in jail. You know who can't kill a woman on the street? A man in jail.
I read the New York Times. I have no idea the race of this homeless murderer.
Democrats still blaming Trump for Anti-Asian crimes committed by mostly black, homeless males. Also, blaming the removal of the child dependent credit. Disgraceful
https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/christina-yuna-lees-blood-is-on-the-hands-of-democrats/
https://nypost.com/2022/02/16/christina-yuna-lees-blood-is-on-the-hands-of-democrats/
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
One one hand, Democrats are committed to keeping violent offenders on the streets so they can keep victimizing Asian-Americans who are just going about their business.
But on the other hand, Democrats are also committed to keeping Asian-Americans out of elite universities and scaling back gifted programs and advanced math tracks in K-12.
Bold strategy Cotton etc.
The Big Donkey
Footballguy
CNN: alleged hate crime attack
"A New York woman was punched more than 125 times in the head and face and stomped on seven times by a man who had allegedly called her an "Asian b*tch," the Yonkers Police Department said in a news release Monday...."
Guy should be put away for a long time. Not what I'd like to see in our society.
"A New York woman was punched more than 125 times in the head and face and stomped on seven times by a man who had allegedly called her an "Asian b*tch," the Yonkers Police Department said in a news release Monday...."
Guy should be put away for a long time. Not what I'd like to see in our society.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Just unreal that this keeps happening. And when you point out the obvious, liberals get more upset about that than the beatings.
FairWarning
Footballguy
Model citizen here-https://abtc.ng/tammel-esco-who-is-he-tammel-esco-criminal-record/
Tammel Esco has a criminal record which includes 14 arrests and multiple convictions, Mueller said.
In Feb. 2021, Tammel Esco pushed a woman through a plate glass window. She was not seriously hurt, but Esco was given conditional discharge and no jail time.
Tammel Esco has a criminal record which includes 14 arrests and multiple convictions, Mueller said.
In Feb. 2021, Tammel Esco pushed a woman through a plate glass window. She was not seriously hurt, but Esco was given conditional discharge and no jail time.
