HBO - Song of Ice&Fire Series -Varsity Thread - no TV only whiners

[babydemon90]

Post-ADWD discussion:

Spoiler

I know it's not wise to be confident in predicting the future in this series, but I just know Walder Frey is going to die an awesome death. I can just feel it.

Spoiler

I'm thinking Cersei's the one that's going to have the spectacular payoff.

i kind of think she weasels throughI'm pretty sure Jaime will kill her...

 

[Abrantes]

Post-ADWD discussion:

Spoiler

I know it's not wise to be confident in predicting the future in this series, but I just know Walder Frey is going to die an awesome death. I can just feel it.

Spoiler

I'm thinking Cersei's the one that's going to have the spectacular payoff.

Spoiler

i kind of think she weasels through

I'm pretty sure Jaime will kill her...

That would be my guess as well.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

They made a point to show us what's his names limp when visiting Robb and when killing talisa. He's going to get it.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

Just because she said some names doesn't mean she was the cause. Renly, yes. The plans seem to have been in motion for the others prior to that.

But SHE (& Stannis) thinks she was the driver whether is was coincidence or not (3 by leech and 1 by smoke baby)

now THIS is truein her and Stannis' (curse him) mind the one true god did exactly what they wanted. This will make Stannis' dependence on her even strongerif I wrote the books that would do his brother killing ### in, and then his subjects would destroy his witch

Probably don't need spoilers at this point in the thread, but a bit of what I write below references ADWD.

Spoiler

I think she's a fascinating character. When she first showed up in the series, I was basically - seen this type in a million stories. I felt the same right up until her chapters in ADWD. Before that, she seemed to me to be some combination of:

1. Actually control the events she says she can (Renly)

2. Retrofit events she had nothing to do with to make herself look better (Stannis losing at Blackwater)

3. Get lucky (Joff, Robb)

Pre-ADWD, I couldn't get a handle on how much of 2 & 3 were actually 1. Obviously, she had SOME powers (smoke baby, drinking poison) - Stannis DID lose at KL after she warned him he would if he didn't take her along and the three leech-kings DID die soon after saying their names (although, predicting a king's death in Westeros at this time isn't exactly going out on a limb). Also, Thoros can perform some unnatural acts in service of the Lord of Light too. So, her God apparently isn't a sham and she can sell the hell out of herself.

But her ADWD POV chapters show that she isn't the supremely confident character she portrays to everyone (even if she was really lucky). She's riddled with self-doubt and we see that she misinterprets her visions ("Arya" on a horse heading towards the wall - turns out to be the Kartstark girl). She also can't "see" Stannis any longer or what's happening in Winterfell with Mance (all she sees is snow).

I've seen some theories on what these misinterpretations may mean - "snow" = Jon which means he's the promised one (not Stannis) and she just doesn't realize she's had the wrong guy all along yet; that Arya may STILL come riding up that road in the future and Mel got the timing wrong - but I'm not smart enough to vet them out.

BTW - there's a nice bit of this "self-doubt" foreshadowing in an earlier episode of the TV show that we don't get in the books: when she discovers that Thoros can ressurect Beric, she is shocked that someone can do that.

So, she's certainly not as powerful as people think she is. But she DOES have something going on. I guess I still don't have a handle on how much of 2 & 3 are really 1, but the peeks inside her head have fleshed out what was once a 2D character. I'm really interested in where Martin's going with her story.

 

[B-Deep]

I do agree with Jon a lot more. It was a thankless task trying to portray his inner turmoil from the book onscreen, and I do think they fell short. That scene was a lot less exciting than I was expecting.

Do you think this was done purposely or is that guy just a bad actor? Seems to have the same expression on his face no matter what.

He plays an emo, I have no real family teen well. Not sure if that is good acting or really limited acting, but he nails that.

I think he's been playing it about right. The character didn't really start coming into his own in the books until right about where they are now in the show. Up to that point he was just a punk kid putting up with doing what people told him to do regardless of what he thought. I mean, how happy are you going to be when your 1st girlfriend (who you're not even supposed to have because you, as a virgin, stupidly took a lifelong vow of celibacy) keeps telling you "you know nothing" all the time.

yeah, that is supposed to be your wife's job

 

[B-Deep]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

Just because she said some names doesn't mean she was the cause. Renly, yes. The plans seem to have been in motion for the others prior to that.

But SHE (& Stannis) thinks she was the driver whether is was coincidence or not (3 by leech and 1 by smoke baby)

now THIS is truein her and Stannis' (curse him) mind the one true god did exactly what they wanted. This will make Stannis' dependence on her even stronger

if I wrote the books that would do his brother killing ### in, and then his subjects would destroy his witch

Probably don't need spoilers at this point in the thread, but a bit of what I write below references ADWD.

Spoiler

I think she's a fascinating character. When she first showed up in the series, I was basically - seen this type in a million stories. I felt the same right up until her chapters in ADWD. Before that, she seemed to me to be some combination of:

1. Actually control the events she says she can (Renly)

2. Retrofit events she had nothing to do with to make herself look better (Stannis losing at Blackwater)

3. Get lucky (Joff, Robb)

Pre-ADWD, I couldn't get a handle on how much of 2 & 3 were actually 1. Obviously, she had SOME powers (smoke baby, drinking poison) - Stannis DID lose at KL after she warned him he would if he didn't take her along and the three leech-kings DID die soon after saying their names (although, predicting a king's death in Westeros at this time isn't exactly going out on a limb). Also, Thoros can perform some unnatural acts in service of the Lord of Light too. So, her God apparently isn't a sham and she can sell the hell out of herself.

But her ADWD POV chapters show that she isn't the supremely confident character she portrays to everyone (even if she was really lucky). She's riddled with self-doubt and we see that she misinterprets her visions ("Arya" on a horse heading towards the wall - turns out to be the Kartstark girl). She also can't "see" Stannis any longer or what's happening in Winterfell with Mance (all she sees is snow).

I've seen some theories on what these misinterpretations may mean - "snow" = Jon which means he's the promised one (not Stannis) and she just doesn't realize she's had the wrong guy all along yet; that Arya may STILL come riding up that road in the future and Mel got the timing wrong - but I'm not smart enough to vet them out.

BTW - there's a nice bit of this "self-doubt" foreshadowing in an earlier episode of the TV show that we don't get in the books: when she discovers that Thoros can ressurect Beric, she is shocked that someone can do that.

So, she's certainly not as powerful as people think she is. But she DOES have something going on. I guess I still don't have a handle on how much of 2 & 3 are really 1, but the peeks inside her head have fleshed out what was once a 2D character. I'm really interested in where Martin's going with her story.

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I agree, she has become a very good character - but I really dislike her

in fact, i want no one related to her god to come out well, probably all goes back to Renly

the theory that fire and ice means something regarding the targaryens and starks all swirling around jon snow is popular

ice and fire could revolve more around the lord of light and the white walkers, or possibly the lord of light and the old gods?

maybe it means all of them

 

[kentric]

Been waiting for this episode since the tv show first started, did not disappoint. My only minor complaints would be the Jon Snow scene as others mentioned (didn't even attempt to take Ygritte with him, kind of dumb just like Sam just dropping and leaving the dragon glass dagger behind), not leaving Arya getting knocked out more ambiguous (since in the book you don't know at first whether she survived or not,) and I would have liked to have seen Grey Wind get loose and rip some arms off before they put him down.

The stabbing in the belly was brutal and a nice tv show addition.

Guesses at the final scene of season3?

Spoiler

Trying to think of what it could be and thought of 2 possibilites:1) They show Cat's body being dumped in the river early on and the final scene is the Bortherhood finding her body and Beric transferring his 'life force' to hers.2) Jon gets back to the Watch and no one believes him about the Wilding army coming to attack. Until the final scene when they climb to the top of the wall and pan out to see thousands of troops/campfires.

Same here with regard to Grey Wind. Especially seeing how weak that cage looked. This is a 200 pounds of muscle beast. Break open the damn cage door and do some major damage.

With regard to Arya. I'm totally split on whether her performance is fantastic or just too damn wooden. She plays the straight face perfectly, but it even translates into how she walks. When she walks away from someone she seems so stiff and wooden.

 

[parrot]

OK: Where is this thing with Tyrion being one of the dragons coming from? I totally missed that. I think I need to reread Dance...

It's a reach. There really isn't anything in the books to support it except that they haven't done a paternity DNA test for Tywin/Tyrion.

There are some hints at it. Several times Tywin suggests that Tyrion is not really his son. This could be wishful thinking of course, but it could also be foreshadowing. Also, Aerys was also known to have something of a thing for Joanna, wasn't he? He probably wouldn't have been above throwin a rapin into her. And there's Tyrion's dragon-riding dreams and fascination with dragons. It's far from conclusive, and could just be a red herring, but those are some of the origins of the theory.

Evidence against: he is bested by a common whore at ye olde drinking game of "burn your hand with this candle".

 

[Uruk-Hai]

Been waiting for this episode since the tv show first started, did not disappoint. My only minor complaints would be the Jon Snow scene as others mentioned (didn't even attempt to take Ygritte with him, kind of dumb just like Sam just dropping and leaving the dragon glass dagger behind), not leaving Arya getting knocked out more ambiguous (since in the book you don't know at first whether she survived or not,) and I would have liked to have seen Grey Wind get loose and rip some arms off before they put him down.

The stabbing in the belly was brutal and a nice tv show addition.

Guesses at the final scene of season3?

Spoiler

Trying to think of what it could be and thought of 2 possibilites:1) They show Cat's body being dumped in the river early on and the final scene is the Bortherhood finding her body and Beric transferring his 'life force' to hers.2) Jon gets back to the Watch and no one believes him about the Wilding army coming to attack. Until the final scene when they climb to the top of the wall and pan out to see thousands of troops/campfires.

Same here with regard to Grey Wind. Especially seeing how weak that cage looked. This is a 200 pounds of muscle beast. Break open the damn cage door and do some major damage.

With regard to Arya. I'm totally split on whether her performance is fantastic or just too damn wooden. She plays the straight face perfectly, but it even translates into how she walks. When she walks away from someone she seems so stiff and wooden.

Did I read somewhere she's never acted before? In any event, Martin wrote the Arya/Sandor dialogues so well that all the actors need to do is recite the lines. Dude playing Sandor is really showing his chops at this point. And I think Maisie Williams is going to be a star.

I hear the "wooden" complaint, however. But I think the actress is trying too hard to hide her body. I know that sounds pervy, but it looks to me like she's trying to keep from sashaying her hips (and they've already strapped down her boobs). The girl's 15 playing a kid.

 

[The Gator]

Really tempting to go into the "The Red Thread" and ask if this is the wedding that the king chokes to death.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Really tempting to go into the "The Red Thread" and ask if this is the wedding that the king chokes to death.

That made me

 

[(HULK)]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

waitstannisrobbjoffrybalonrenlyhow was she responsible for Robb?

The leeches for Joff, Rob, and Balon.

 

[(HULK)]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

Just because she said some names doesn't mean she was the cause. Renly, yes. The plans seem to have been in motion for the others prior to that.

Right, its ambiguous. That said, she gave ######l birth to a shade monster that stabbed Renly to death, so she definitely has some powers. So, maybe the leeches really did work. I'm sure from her and Stannis's perspective, she eliminated all of the "pretenders".

 

[B-Deep]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

waitstannisrobbjoffrybalonrenlyhow was she responsible for Robb?

The leeches for Joff, Rob, and Balon.

not sure she is truly responsible

 

[B-Deep]

I am sure people may hate these

but this is the actress who plays arya posting videos, it is odd to see her as a normal goofy modern kid

http://www.hitfix.com/comedy/see-maisie-williams-aka-arya-stark-react-to-the-red-wedding-on-vine

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

Where was this posted at?

 

[The Gator]

whoa

 

[Norman Paperman]

I don't know why it never really clicked in my head before, but the Red Woman is responsible for the deaths of 4 of the 5 kings from the War of the 5 Kings.

waitstannisrobbjoffrybalonrenlyhow was she responsible for Robb?

The leeches for Joff, Rob, and Balon.

not sure she is truly responsible

You need to see the light and come in from the darkness. The Lord of light is the one true god, and he is all powerful.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

Where was this posted at?

The fake red wedding thread where all the non=book readers are posting.

 

[B-Deep]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

agreed

is he a reader?

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

Spoiler

Where was this posted at?

The fake red wedding thread where all the non=book readers are posting.

Yeah thats a D move.

I dont even go into any of the show threads after I finished the books but some people just cant stay out of them I guess

 

[B-Deep]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

Spoiler

Where was this posted at?

Spoiler

The fake red wedding thread where all the non=book readers are posting.

Yeah thats a D move.

I dont even go into any of the show threads after I finished the books but some people just cant stay out of them I guess

i like discussing the show with watchers, i like it a lot

but i am careful

just like when i was discussing book 1 with people who had finished the series they were careful

if there is some accidental info that slips people understand it wa a mistake, and it is rare if people are careful

but if he has finished the books and did that to be funny it is not, that's ####ty

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Nobody has noticed it so maybe they just think its a joke. Might be more obvious if he deleted it now.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Not cool:

Spoiler

I didn't realize how bent out of shape people were over the word 'book' on this forum. I mean, they should be pissed at HBO for telling them exactly who was dying next: Greyjoy and Joffrey. I don't remember seeing anyone post spoiler quite that bad.

Spoiler

Where was this posted at?

Spoiler

The fake red wedding thread where all the non=book readers are posting.

Spoiler

Yeah thats a D move.

I dont even go into any of the show threads after I finished the books but some people just cant stay out of them I guess

i like discussing the show with watchers, i like it a lot

but i am careful

just like when i was discussing book 1 with people who had finished the series they were careful

if there is some accidental info that slips people understand it wa a mistake, and it is rare if people are careful

but if he has finished the books and did that to be funny it is not, that's ####ty

I'd love to help them but they are a touchy bunch over there

 

[Bigboy10182000]

Nobody has noticed it so maybe they just think its a joke. Might be more obvious if he deleted it now.

I guess that is one of the befits of posting in the non-biook threads...they dont know if you're BS'ing them or not

 

[B-Deep]

Nobody has noticed it so maybe they just think its a joke. Might be more obvious if he deleted it now.

yeah

just gotta let it slide by

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

It is really annoying that GRRM introduced a whole new plot line with Young Griff that is pretty much unnecessary. I guess we should trust him that it somehow moves things along? I have to say, that revelation and the Stoneheart thing just do not sit right with me at all. For as brilliant as I find the whole story overall and all the detail, those two things are just lazy and out of place IMO.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

It is really annoying that GRRM introduced a whole new plot line with Young Griff that is pretty much unnecessary. I guess we should trust him that it somehow moves things along? I have to say, that revelation and the Stoneheart thing just do not sit right with me at all. For as brilliant as I find the whole story overall and all the detail, those two things are just lazy and out of place IMO.

I kinda agree, but I'm going to give him the benefit of the doubt until the story is done with Young Griff. That could go a bazillion different ways, so I'm willing to give Martin some rope there.

As for Stoneheart, I don't think I mind it - she's been pretty much off-stage and my personal opinion is that she's a bridge to advancing someone else's storyline. Also, she's not in any way what/who she used to be.

This is just my opinion, but I think if Martin had started writing the series more recently a bunch of things would be different. I'm not sure WHICH things (though I think Stoneheart's story is one and I know based on what he's said since the TV show came out that Osha would be another), but there are parts of this tale that were put on the page 20 years ago and my guess is he's got writer's remorse. He may have the end game he always did, but betcha he's taking a different route to get there than he thought he would (see: King, Stephen - Tower, Dark).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Agree re: Stoneheart. Just about the only thing I hated in the books. Willing to wait on 'Aegon'.

 

[Gr00vus]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

 

[Bigboy10182000]

It is really annoying that GRRM introduced a whole new plot line with Young Griff that is pretty much unnecessary. I guess we should trust him that it somehow moves things along? I have to say, that revelation and the Stoneheart thing just do not sit right with me at all. For as brilliant as I find the whole story overall and all the detail, those two things are just lazy and out of place IMO.

As soon as I read the books I assumed that Young Griff would be "alive" and was waiting for that twist. I didn't like the Stoneheart thing at all. I really could have done without that.

 

[Uruk-Hai]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

I hear ya. Most of the Mereen ADWD chapters were brutal for me. I honestly have no idea who most of those characters are and could give less than a #### who "The Harpy" and "The Perfumed Senechal" are. Martin's got at least 4 POVs in the vacinity of Mereen. Get the damned battle over, kill anyone with or without a "z" in their names, and get the hell out. Hell, kill EVERYONE there. I can't take any more Baznak el Rugburns & Sleeveless Ladies.

I think I posted before that I didn't mind so much the Brienne chapters in AFFC - READING them anyway; viewing them on TV would be torture.

 

[ScottNorwood]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

I hear ya. Most of the Mereen ADWD chapters were brutal for me. I honestly have no idea who most of those characters are and could give less than a #### who "The Harpy" and "The Perfumed Senechal" are. Martin's got at least 4 POVs in the vacinity of Mereen. Get the damned battle over, kill anyone with or without a "z" in their names, and get the hell out. Hell, kill EVERYONE there. I can't take any more Baznak el Rugburns & Sleeveless Ladies.

I think I posted before that I didn't mind so much the Brienne chapters in AFFC - READING them anyway; viewing them on TV would be torture.

I didn't hate AFFC. I knew it was considered worse than the other books, so I took it for what it was. It felt like a leisurely stroll through Westeros. But I agree, the TV version would be awful. There's a lot of fat to trim.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

I hear ya. Most of the Mereen ADWD chapters were brutal for me. I honestly have no idea who most of those characters are and could give less than a #### who "The Harpy" and "The Perfumed Senechal" are. Martin's got at least 4 POVs in the vacinity of Mereen. Get the damned battle over, kill anyone with or without a "z" in their names, and get the hell out. Hell, kill EVERYONE there. I can't take any more Baznak el Rugburns & Sleeveless Ladies.

I think I posted before that I didn't mind so much the Brienne chapters in AFFC - READING them anyway; viewing them on TV would be torture.

I didn't hate AFFC. I knew it was considered worse than the other books, so I took it for what it was. It felt like a leisurely stroll through Westeros. But I agree, the TV version would be awful. There's a lot of fat to trim.

I'm anxious to find out what happens, but with the last two books I was trying to just enjoy Martin showing of his world. It all be over soon enough.

I did love the tension building up to Selmy's battle with the guy in the pyramid. You literally have no idea who will live or die in the story and it was great to see him win.

 

[ScottNorwood]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

I hear ya. Most of the Mereen ADWD chapters were brutal for me. I honestly have no idea who most of those characters are and could give less than a #### who "The Harpy" and "The Perfumed Senechal" are. Martin's got at least 4 POVs in the vacinity of Mereen. Get the damned battle over, kill anyone with or without a "z" in their names, and get the hell out. Hell, kill EVERYONE there. I can't take any more Baznak el Rugburns & Sleeveless Ladies.

I think I posted before that I didn't mind so much the Brienne chapters in AFFC - READING them anyway; viewing them on TV would be torture.

I didn't hate AFFC. I knew it was considered worse than the other books, so I took it for what it was. It felt like a leisurely stroll through Westeros. But I agree, the TV version would be awful. There's a lot of fat to trim.

I'm anxious to find out what happens, but with the last two books I was trying to just enjoy Martin showing of his world. It all be over soon enough.

I did love the tension building up to Selmy's battle with the guy in the pyramid. You literally have no idea who will live or die in the story and it was great to see him win.

I don't remember this at all

 

[Gr00vus]

The Young Griff thing is a million times more interesting than the meandering trials and travails of Brienne and the unending Mereen chapters. I found myself envying Belwas's bowl of poisoned crickets after about 13 of those snoozers - less Rusnak mo sleestack please.

I hear ya. Most of the Mereen ADWD chapters were brutal for me. I honestly have no idea who most of those characters are and could give less than a #### who "The Harpy" and "The Perfumed Senechal" are. Martin's got at least 4 POVs in the vacinity of Mereen. Get the damned battle over, kill anyone with or without a "z" in their names, and get the hell out. Hell, kill EVERYONE there. I can't take any more Baznak el Rugburns & Sleeveless Ladies.

I think I posted before that I didn't mind so much the Brienne chapters in AFFC - READING them anyway; viewing them on TV would be torture.

I didn't hate AFFC. I knew it was considered worse than the other books, so I took it for what it was. It felt like a leisurely stroll through Westeros. But I agree, the TV version would be awful. There's a lot of fat to trim.

I'm anxious to find out what happens, but with the last two books I was trying to just enjoy Martin showing of his world. It all be over soon enough.

I did love the tension building up to Selmy's battle with the guy in the pyramid. You literally have no idea who will live or die in the story and it was great to see him win.

I don't remember this at all

Of course you don't remember it, it was in a mereen chapter while Dany was out weaving a grass skirt and chex mix mo gingersnap was washing windows.

 

[MaxThreshold]

Season 5 plot twists by George RR Martin himself. View at your own risk. I don't want to hear anymore belly-achin' about how surprised you were.

 

[Frostillicus]

Season 5 plot twists by George RR Martin himself. View at your own risk. I don't want to hear anymore belly-achin' about how surprised you were.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?

The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....

Who else?

 

[babydemon90]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....Who else?

Pyat Pree, the house of dead warlock...

Irr, Dany's handmaiden

Xaro, the Qarth merchant who betrayed Dany in the series (assuming no one freed him from the vault, so I'm not sure if he is technically dead in show canon or not...)

 

[Instinctive]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....Who else?

Pyat Pree, the house of dead warlock...

Irr, Dany's handmaiden

Xaro, the Qarth merchant who betrayed Dany in the series (assuming no one freed him from the vault, so I'm not sure if he is technically dead in show canon or not...)

Isn't Robb's wife alive in the book still? Jeyne Westerling?

 

[babydemon90]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....Who else?

Pyat Pree, the house of dead warlock...

Irr, Dany's handmaiden

Xaro, the Qarth merchant who betrayed Dany in the series (assuming no one freed him from the vault, so I'm not sure if he is technically dead in show canon or not...)

Isn't Robb's wife alive in the book still? Jeyne Westerling?

Jeyne Westerling isn't Robb's wife in the show... The dead character, Talisa whatever, is not in the books.

 

[ScottNorwood]

Same thing

 

[Instinctive]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....Who else?

Pyat Pree, the house of dead warlock...

Irr, Dany's handmaiden

Xaro, the Qarth merchant who betrayed Dany in the series (assuming no one freed him from the vault, so I'm not sure if he is technically dead in show canon or not...)

Isn't Robb's wife alive in the book still? Jeyne Westerling?

Jeyne Westerling isn't Robb's wife in the show... The dead character, Talisa whatever, is not in the books.

Wow, thanks for clearing that up...

What I meant was - it is possible that the role of "Robb's wife" has something left to play out in the book, whereas the show has killed off any chance of "Robb's wife" doing anything. And also, "Robb's wife" makes 5, not just 4.

 

[Thunderlips]

The Tickler.

 

[Psychopav]

Nobody has noticed it so maybe they just think its a joke. Might be more obvious if he deleted it now.

yeah just gotta let it slide by

I'm sat delay posting so it might have already happened by now, but the moment Mad Sweeney sees it, there's no way it just slides by imo.

 

[Mile High]

Spoiler

http://24.media.tumblr.com/975210af4b0723ed8003b1b0938108cd/tumblr_mo25kxMRhj1ratl42o1_1280.jpg

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Who are the 4 dead in the show that are alive in the book?The guy who Drogo killed who finds dany ....Who else?

Pyat Pree, the house of dead warlock...Irr, Dany's handmaidenXaro, the Qarth merchant who betrayed Dany in the series (assuming no one freed him from the vault, so I'm not sure if he is technically dead in show canon or not...)

I don't think xaro is dead on the show. Which handmaiden was with him?I guess jeyne/talisa is one. Pyet pree I guess is another but I didn't recall that he survived the house of the undying in the book.

 

[Mjolnirs]

Spoiler

http://24.media.tumblr.com/975210af4b0723ed8003b1b0938108cd/tumblr_mo25kxMRhj1ratl42o1_1280.jpg

Whoa!