Heap vs. Witten (1 Viewer)

[Ed Wood]

Heap last year

WK OPP | REC YD | TD |

1 ind | 4 38 | 0 |

| 2 ten | 5 56 | 0 |

| 4 nyj | 4 39 | 0 |

| 5 det | 2 54 | 1 |

| 6 cle | 6 79 | 1 |

| 7 chi | 7 71 | 0 |

| 8 pit | 5 38 | 0 |

| 9 cin | 4 28 | 0 |

| 10 jax | 5 58 | 0 |

| 11 pit | 4 29 | 0 |

| 12 cin | 6 87 | 2 |

| 13 hou | 3 51 | 0 |

| 14 den | 5 65 | 0 |

| 15 gnb | 9 110 | 2 |

| 16 min | 4 30 | 1 |

| 17 cle | 2 22 | 0 |

+----------+-------------+----+

| TOTAL | 75 855 | 7 |

Witten last year

-----------+----+

| 1 sdg | 1 12 | 0 |

| 2 was | 4 35 | 0 |

| 3 sfo | 6 85 | 1 |

| 4 oak | 5 49 | 0 |

| 5 phi | 7 80 | 0 |

| 6 nyg | 5 56 | 1 |

| 7 sea | 2 47 | 0 |

| 8 ari | 5 71 | 0 |

| 10 phi | 3 27 | 0 |

| 11 det | 2 15 | 0 |

| 12 den | 9 82 | 1 |

| 13 nyg | 1 5 | 0 |

| 14 kan | 7 93 | 1 |

| 15 was | 4 41 | 1 |

| 16 car | 1 9 | 0 |

| 17 stl | 4 50 | 1 |

+----------+-------------+----+

| TOTAL | 66 757 | 6 |

+----------+-------------+----+

These stats tell me no. I kown about McNair. I know about Fasano. I got Witten 3 rounds after Heap went.

What else do I need to know?

 

[Keys Myaths]

Yes.

Witten has to deal with the coming of TO. That's a horrible thing for him...with just one good WR, Witten is a major target in that offense. With two major targets at WR, that's NOT good news.

 

[lions327]

2 words...Kyle Boller

 

[hook014]

2 words...Kyle Boller

That's a valid point.But remember Witten's #s were down last year after the line injuries forced him to stay in and block. Flozell Adams?

 

[Spartans346]

I can't believe this is actually a thread!

 

[Steelers4Life]

2 words...Kyle Boller

That's a valid point.But remember Witten's #s were down last year after the line injuries forced him to stay in and block. Flozell Adams?

Witten had said last year that the number of times he'd run out on pass patterns as opposed to blocking was more than cut in half. A healthy OL will allow him to run patterns much, much more often, and that alone should more than offset what Owens will add to the offense. Not to mention how wide open the middle of the field should end up being with good WRs on both sides.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Not to mention how wide open the middle of the field should end up being with good WRs on both sides.

Two excellent WRs=bad, bad news for TEs.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Assuming all three parties are healthy, I honestly believe Heap will be closer to Gates than Witten will be to Heap.

I think a difference of 3 rounds, however, makes Witten the better draft choice... unless you're following that up with "Heap went in the 10th"

 

[Ridgelake]

Cowboys homer here.

I'll be surprised if Witten doesn't lead Dallas in receptions this year. He will receive single coverage almost all the time with TO and Glenn on the field with him. There are very, very few people who can cover him 1:1. He's too fast and quick for LBs and too big for DBs.

If you remember, he had about 85 catches 2 years ago. He's a much better player now, according to Parcells.

I'd expect something like 80/900/8 from Witten this year.

One last point to make. Witten is arguably the most likely mainstream TE to play 16 games. The guy played with a broken jaw. When was the last time Heap played 16 games?

 

[jurb26]

Assuming all three parties are healthy, I honestly believe Heap will be closer to Gates than Witten will be to Heap.I think a difference of 3 rounds, however, makes Witten the better draft choice... unless you're following that up with "Heap went in the 10th"

I agree, Heap is my #1 TE for this year. Anyone remember the chemistry that McNair had with Frank Wycheck? I think Heap can but that kind of target for McNair. Only difference is, Heap is vaslty more talented than Frank Wycheck ever was.

 

[PahtyTom]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten. The only thing that hurts Witten is if Flozell Adams doesn't play again this year. this new injury for Adams seems like nothing major, but if he misses time Witten suffers. If Adams plays, Witten is uncoverable. Even with that said, last year while having to stay in and block on many downs, Witten still put up good numbers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

When was the last time Heap played 16 games?

I'll take "Things that happened last season" for $500, Alex.

 

[Bankerguy]

Cowboys homer here.I'll be surprised if Witten doesn't lead Dallas in receptions this year. He will receive single coverage almost all the time with TO and Glenn on the field with him. There are very, very few people who can cover him 1:1. He's too fast and quick for LBs and too big for DBs. If you remember, he had about 85 catches 2 years ago. He's a much better player now, according to Parcells.I'd expect something like 80/900/8 from Witten this year.One last point to make. Witten is arguably the most likely mainstream TE to play 16 games. The guy played with a broken jaw. When was the last time Heap played 16 games?

Not sure I agree. I think the main benficiary of T.O.'s is Glenn not Witten or J. Jones.Just my 0.02.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Witten is not going to catch 80 balls. The season he caught all of those passes, Richie Anderson and Eddie George played into Dallas' gameplan at some point. Julius Jones was an unproven rookie. Witten was catching passes in situations where Dallas would run the ball today.

They also had Keyshawn Johnson and nothing else on the field, as Glenn missed something like 10 games that season. And Dan Campbell was doing a lot of the blocking that now falls to Witten.

This OL is still going to need help blocking. The rest of the offense is much more talented than it was then. Witten will still be productive, everything else about him being a great TE, being productive, etc... all true. But 80 catches is unrealistic, I think.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

 

[Real Man of Genius]

Heap last yearWK OPP | REC YD | TD |1 ind | 4 38 | 0 || 2 ten | 5 56 | 0 || 4 nyj | 4 39 | 0 || 5 det | 2 54 | 1 || 6 cle | 6 79 | 1 || 7 chi | 7 71 | 0 || 8 pit | 5 38 | 0 || 9 cin | 4 28 | 0 || 10 jax | 5 58 | 0 || 11 pit | 4 29 | 0 || 12 cin | 6 87 | 2 || 13 hou | 3 51 | 0 || 14 den | 5 65 | 0 || 15 gnb | 9 110 | 2 || 16 min | 4 30 | 1 || 17 cle | 2 22 | 0 |+----------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 75 855 | 7 |Witten last year-----------+----+| 1 sdg | 1 12 | 0 || 2 was | 4 35 | 0 || 3 sfo | 6 85 | 1 || 4 oak | 5 49 | 0 || 5 phi | 7 80 | 0 || 6 nyg | 5 56 | 1 || 7 sea | 2 47 | 0 || 8 ari | 5 71 | 0 || 10 phi | 3 27 | 0 || 11 det | 2 15 | 0 || 12 den | 9 82 | 1 || 13 nyg | 1 5 | 0 || 14 kan | 7 93 | 1 || 15 was | 4 41 | 1 || 16 car | 1 9 | 0 || 17 stl | 4 50 | 1 |+----------+-------------+----+| TOTAL | 66 757 | 6 |+----------+-------------+----+These stats tell me no. I kown about McNair. I know about Fasano. I got Witten 3 rounds after Heap went.What else do I need to know?

If Flozell Adams stays healthy, Witten should get more looks than last year, IMO. I owned Witten last year, and he stayed in to block a frustrating amount of the time.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

Witten has to deal with the coming of TO. That's a horrible thing for him...with just one good WR, Witten is a major target in that offense. With two major targets at WR, that's NOT good news.

 

[Banger]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

the link says yes TO/Glenn will hurt Witten's #'s.

 

[brewer]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

Witten has to deal with the coming of TO. That's a horrible thing for him...with just one good WR, Witten is a major target in that offense. With two major targets at WR, that's NOT good news.

Keys, you might want to read the last paragraph of the article again.Also, I'd say that there is fair chance that TO doesn't play all 16 games.

 

[gman8343]

For those suggesting Witten will put up better numbers than last year - at whose expense will those numbers come? Will he take away from TO or Glenn or the running game?

It's highly doubtful that TO, Glenn and Witten all put up spectacular #s, which means one of them will be the odd man out in terms of fantasy production.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

the link says yes TO/Glenn will hurt Witten's #'s.

Hmmm... shocking that it would support his thoughts on the subject.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I was trying to think of the last prolific TE to be dominant with 2 WRs of a higher caliber.

It could be a tougher exercise than you might think, as you run through the guys who are prolific now and realize none of them fit the bill.

The first player who came to mind was Shannon Sharpe. He did it with McCaffrey and Smith. Butwhile Sharpe did put up great numbers in those offenses, his years of catching 80+ passes all came before McCaffrey and Smith gained prominence.

There really aren't even that many instances where a TE has caught 80 passes. It happens less than you probably think. Doing it with 2 productive WRs would take an unreal commitment to the passing game, which of course describes a Parcells offense perfectly.

Coates, Sharpe, Gonzo, Christensen, Newsome, ... none of the usual suspects managed it.

Somebody will probably trump me and find a more recent example, but I'm guessing you'd have to go back to the Air Coryell days of Winslow with some combination of Jefferson, Joiner, and Chandler to have a TE supass 80 and have 2 very productive WRs.

 

[massraider]

Bledsoe's TE's are money.

The guy who's going to get hurt by TO is Terry Glenn.

Bledsoe leans on the TE as a safety valve, has since he came into the league. He's too slow to get a broken play to the WR's, but savvy enough to dump it off to a TE (Larry Centers filled this role for a while).

After his preseason performance, I think expectations for Glenn have gotten out of hand. WR across from TO? No thanks.

 

[Aaronstory]

This headache inducing thread just confirms I did the right thing by not taking any TEs until later where I snagged Watson and LJ Smith.

 

[Keys Myaths]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Care to summarize, as that is a completely worthless link to some of us?

the link says yes TO/Glenn will hurt Witten's #'s.

Hmmm... shocking that it would support his thoughts on the subject.

It's actually the other way around.I used to be on the other side of this debate until that article came out.

 

[jurb26]

Bledsoe's TE's are money. The guy who's going to get hurt by TO is Terry Glenn.Bledsoe leans on the TE as a safety valve, has since he came into the league. He's too slow to get a broken play to the WR's, but savvy enough to dump it off to a TE (Larry Centers filled this role for a while).After his preseason performance, I think expectations for Glenn have gotten out of hand. WR across from TO? No thanks.

I'd pretty much be shocked if Glenn did not have a good season. He and Bledsoe just have a chemistry together that noone else on the team matches. Not TO and not Witten. It doesn't hurt that Glenn can still play lights out when given the opportunity.

 

[joffer]

I like Heap better, but i think it's closer than many think. Witten could catch 70 passes. 80 is unrealistic.

If it's a choice of Heap in the 6th or Witten in the 9th, I think I like Witten.

 

[PahtyTom]

Witten is severly UNDERRATED. TO and Glenn on the outside do not hurt Witten.

Yes, yes they do.Link

Damn, I forgot all about that article which is surprising since the part that correlates to Witten's situation is the part that really stood out the most to me when I read it. My mistake, I retract that original comment. I think I just feel that Witten is underrated as a pass catcher in the NFL, but that does not always mean he will outperform guys with less skill in the fantasy realm.

 

[Ed Wood]

I like Heap better, but i think it's closer than many think. Witten could catch 70 passes. 80 is unrealistic.If it's a choice of Heap in the 6th or Witten in the 9th, I think I like Witten.

For the record it was Heap at 4.13 and Witten at 7.12.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

I like Heap better, but i think it's closer than many think. Witten could catch 70 passes. 80 is unrealistic.If it's a choice of Heap in the 6th or Witten in the 9th, I think I like Witten.

For the record it was Heap at 4.13 and Witten at 7.12.

Neither, although with a gun to my head I'd take Witten.

 

[massraider]

Bledsoe's TE's are money. The guy who's going to get hurt by TO is Terry Glenn.Bledsoe leans on the TE as a safety valve, has since he came into the league. He's too slow to get a broken play to the WR's, but savvy enough to dump it off to a TE (Larry Centers filled this role for a while).After his preseason performance, I think expectations for Glenn have gotten out of hand. WR across from TO? No thanks.

I'd pretty much be shocked if Glenn did not have a good season. He and Bledsoe just have a chemistry together that noone else on the team matches. Not TO and not Witten. It doesn't hurt that Glenn can still play lights out when given the opportunity.

I wonder if Bledsoe can put up enough numbers (FF wise) for two WR's and a TE. I don't think Parcells wants him chucking it 35 times a game.I admit, though, I haven't really analyzed the possibilities, but I'm looking for a better reason than chemistry to make a move for Glenn. Favre has had chemistry with several guys, and developed it with others.

 

[Routilla]

You should wait a few more rounds and get Ben Watson.

 

[Willie Mays Hayes]

Witten will find it tough to catch 60 balls this year with T.O. and Glenn being both productive receivers. While I don't see him mentioned, Anthony Fasano may be the vulture TE in Dallas this year. Too many mouths to feed in Dallas IMHO. Let's not forget that Parcells would rather run the football...he's not about to turn into Mike Martz so Witten can keep fantasy owners happy.

Heap on the other hand is a legitimate 2nd receiver to McNair outside of Mason. Barring injury, I don't see why Heap can't push Gates for receiving yards this year. Gates will still have 3-4 more TD's though.

 

[dickey moe]

Bledsoe's TE's are money.

The guy who's going to get hurt by TO is Terry Glenn.

Bledsoe leans on the TE as a safety valve, has since he came into the league. He's too slow to get a broken play to the WR's, but savvy enough to dump it off to a TE (Larry Centers filled this role for a while).

After his preseason performance, I think expectations for Glenn have gotten out of hand. WR across from TO? No thanks.

Couldn't disagree with you more.