greenf7cat
Footballguy
i agree 100%. The Jets have much greater areas of need besides RB.
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HERD's NFL Mock - 2008 - Version 4.0 (1 Viewer)
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Bowbiejuke
Footballguy
I'm pretty sure Atlanta's head to head loss puts them higher than St. Louis
Bowbiejuke
Footballguy
I seriously doubt Atlanta drafts a qb, it will be Darren McFadden, Jake Long, Brian Brohm in that order
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Link• The team with the lowest winning percentage at the end of the previous season drafts first in the NFL Draft.
• The rest of the teams are placed in order from lowest winning percentage to the highest.
• The Super Bowl winner drafts last, even if they do not have the highest winning percentage.
• The Super Bowl loser drafts next to last.
• Strength of schedule for the previous season is the first tie-breaker for teams with the same winning percentage.
• Divisional and conference records are the next step in the tie-breaking procedure.
• As a last resort, a coin toss is used to determine the order of selection for teams with the same winning percentage.
• If a playoff and non-playoff team end the season with the same winning percentage, the non-playoff team selects before the playoff team regardless
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
saintfool
Dead sexy
Is the Atlanta o-line that bad or is Long just that good? Otherwise, I don't see why they would pass on a franchise QB. McFadden may be a fantastic back but the rushing attack from the Falcons hasn't been the reason they lose games. Dunn might have one year left in the tank. Norwood is still largely an unknown but at least he's a not tainted yet. The Falcons lost their starting OT's to injury, so it's hard to really evaluate the need for OT. If they kept Leftwich and drafted a QB R1 then they would have a year to prep the kid for the pros. With Ryan - maybe the most ready to start immediately? - they could let him pick up valuable in-game experience and playing time that comes with the obvious injury time that comes with Leftwich as your starter. I can see them passing on RB. I can see them passing on OT, unless he's the second coming of Ogden or Pace. I cannot see them backing off QB when it has proven to be their undoing in this lamentable season.I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I'm just not totally sold on any of the three QBs. Not like I was on Quinn last year anyway. And the Falcons' o-line is terrible.Is the Atlanta o-line that bad or is Long just that good? Otherwise, I don't see why they would pass on a franchise QB. McFadden may be a fantastic back but the rushing attack from the Falcons hasn't been the reason they lose games. Dunn might have one year left in the tank. Norwood is still largely an unknown but at least he's a not tainted yet. The Falcons lost their starting OT's to injury, so it's hard to really evaluate the need for OT. If they kept Leftwich and drafted a QB R1 then they would have a year to prep the kid for the pros. With Ryan - maybe the most ready to start immediately? - they could let him pick up valuable in-game experience and playing time that comes with the obvious injury time that comes with Leftwich as your starter. I can see them passing on RB. I can see them passing on OT, unless he's the second coming of Ogden or Pace. I cannot see them backing off QB when it has proven to be their undoing in this lamentable season.I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
2 RBs with skinny legs = MJD?I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
Why does everyone keeping forcing Brohm to the Falcons? THE GUY IS NOT THAT GOOD AND BOBBY PETRINO IS NO LONGER THE COACH.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Perhaps they think he's the best QB on the board?I think arguments can be made...
Kiddnets
Footballguy
Why do you think that - down on McFadden or Jets have other needs? From what I have seen of McFadden he looks like the real deal to me As for the Jets - they have't had a playmaker since arguably Keyshawn Johnson - there is not one player the Jets have that keeps DCs up at night - McFadden would finally give them someone to focus their offense around. They can shore up the OL in FA, WR/pass rusher later in the draft. Its time for a playmaker though - the defense has played srviceable since the bye - the O is putrid.Andy Dufresne said:
saintfool
Dead sexy
It's hard for me to bury their o-line. They were a terrific run blocking group that helped the team lead the league in rushing for 3 years in a row before this year. There was no reason to think they couldn't do it again before the Vick drama broke. So, I'm willing to give them the benefit of the doubt, especially with both their OTs on IR this year and Harrington as their primary QB. This is, unless, Long is the best OT to come along since Ogden and/or Pace. QB play was their undoing and it's shown its value this year in the NFC South. Brees. Garcia. Carolina - at 6-8 now - could have possibly made the playoffs if they had a competent #2. If last year was the year of the RB, 2007 has shown itself to be the year of the QB. The NFL has shown itself, if anything, to be a copycat league.Andy Dufresne said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Playmakers only make plays when there's a basic structure around them to do so. I love McFadden, but his talent wouldn't elevate the Jets game without some help in front of him. Thomas Jones can run the ball, but the Jets' run blocking unit is awful.Would I blame them if they took him? Of course not. But I think they go defense with that pick - either Chris Long or Vernon Gholston (if he declares.)
They've had some turnover on the o-line from years past. I'm just not sold on the QBs this year. I think the bad teams are better going the FA route and draft the other positions of need.
Kiddnets
Footballguy
I understand your logic but the JEts spent 2 #1 picks on OL in 2006 draft. This year they went defense with their 2 picks. There are solid OL in FA and solid starters can be drafted in the later rds. As someone who watched every Jet game - TJ is decent and had no help from the OL but he certainly is not a playmaker. He can't make people miss. The OL needs some help in a RB that can explode and take it to the house like AP. Adding a RT and G in FA should give the Jets a solid enough OL - its time to give the offense a go to player. As for DL vs playmaker - pass rush is important as well but if you look at the defense since the bye they have held their own vs some good o's. Upgrade the OL in FA, add McFadden and you have a huge offensive upgrade that can compete. Go defense in the 2nd and 3rd but if McFadden drops into their lap they have to take him IMO.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Solid reasoning there. I guess we'll have to see what they do in free agency. A lot of teams are going to be interested in those FA linemen.
greenf7cat
Footballguy
I would think that its a no-brainer for the Chefs to take an OL with their first pick. But what if its a top 5 or 7 and Jake Long is gone?? Is there another OL that is good enough for a top 7 pick? I read an article on the Kansas City Star website that Herm has already announced that he is going to build the team around Croyle next year. If the next OL behind Jake Long is not a top 7 pick, I am wondering if they go QB, even though Croyle is their man for the future... i'm pretty stumped
Bowbiejuke
Footballguy
Atlanta's 0-line is that bad. Wayne Gandy is old and no longer a factor. Todd Weiner is a right tackle, that is best at pass blocking in what has been a run first offense. The back-ups were a 7th round draft choice and an undrafted FA. Believe me they need a tackle.I think Brohm is the best qb, he is number 1 on my board ahead of Ryan, Woodson, and Brennan. I think after combines are said and done with he will be number 1 on most everyone else's board also. Yes, had Petrino still been here I think there was no doubt, but even after him leaving he should be very very very high on the Falcons board. I think there are flaws in both Ryan and Woodson's game that would hurt them tremendously in Atlanta. Ryan is use to playing behind a huge offensive line and having lots of time to throw the ball. Woodson's he has another problem, people good and bad would seeing this as a replacement pick for Vick. Yet, these to guys are competely different types of Qb's. I live in Atlanta, I have been to lots of games and for every person who liked Vick, I bet there were two that didn't. I hate sterotypes but in Atlanta Woodson would be under to much pressure(these are just thoughts, not my beliefs but just what I feel from the pluse of the surrounding area's).Bowbiesaintfool said:Is the Atlanta o-line that bad or is Long just that good? Otherwise, I don't see why they would pass on a franchise QB. McFadden may be a fantastic back but the rushing attack from the Falcons hasn't been the reason they lose games. Dunn might have one year left in the tank. Norwood is still largely an unknown but at least he's a not tainted yet. The Falcons lost their starting OT's to injury, so it's hard to really evaluate the need for OT. If they kept Leftwich and drafted a QB R1 then they would have a year to prep the kid for the pros. With Ryan - maybe the most ready to start immediately? - they could let him pick up valuable in-game experience and playing time that comes with the obvious injury time that comes with Leftwich as your starter. I can see them passing on RB. I can see them passing on OT, unless he's the second coming of Ogden or Pace. I cannot see them backing off QB when it has proven to be their undoing in this lamentable season.Andy Dufresne said:I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.Bowbiejuke said:
Bowbiejuke
Footballguy
One more thing Dunn does not have 1 year left as a starter. Norwood for as explosive as he is does not seem to be able to carry a full load. He gets knicked up carrying 8-10 times a game. This sucks because the dude is as explosive as heck but from what I have seen doubt he is a long time option.
Also based on what ADP, Lynch, and Bush have done recently more the value of an impact running back may elavate again causing McFadden who could be special to be drafted in top 3.
Just more thoughts.
Also based on what ADP, Lynch, and Bush have done recently more the value of an impact running back may elavate again causing McFadden who could be special to be drafted in top 3.
Just more thoughts.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Jeff Otah from Pittsburgh could go higher than he should, just like Levi Brown did last year.They could use some fresh legs at corner too.
yellowdog
Footballguy
B. Nugget
Footballguy
I've been discussing this very scenario with a few people lately. If Long isn't there, I hope the Chiefs take a DB like Cason, who can have a year or two to learn from Law and Surtain while making an immediate impact as a KR. The immediate need is OL help, but #2 has to be addressing the aging secondary. The safeties are good, but the corners are on their last legs and Surtain gets torched weekly by somebody.There are plenty of OL in this draft, to me Long is the #1 guy, but if he isn't there, why reach on a QB or OL when there are other needs?
Kirby
Footballguy
greenf7cat
Footballguy
Although I tend to agree with you, I personally don't believe that a DB is a top 7 pick this year... I understand and fully agree that this is a top area of concern for the Chefs. If that is the case, maybe they trade down and pick up Cason around 12 or 13 (i.e.)?? We shall see!! According to Andy D's prediction, I would be happy with Jeff Otah if his stock is rising as people are stating
B. Nugget
Footballguy
I like the idea of trading down and getting a chance to add more picks, but the problem is that they take guys like Turk McBride over All-American OL from USC like Ryan Kalil, who could have been groomed to take over at Center for Wiegman (also on his last legs) or could have been used at another OL position for depth. In a way I hope they trade Tony G, get something for him and also let him have a chance to win in his last few years, but in a way I selfishly hope they keep him because this team is going nowhere fast and he is just fun to watch. If they got a good offer for LJ, I say let's get rid of that salary and really clean house!
greenf7cat
Footballguy
Well, they already have 10 picks the way it is, so i guess another one or two couldnt hurt. I am torn on the Tony G. thing as well. He has been one hell uva TE in this league... He deserves a ring (almost as much as Donny baseball when he played for the yanks), and i am trying to be hopeful he gets one with KC, but i doubt myself more and more each day. I dont know if they would get a good offer for LJ, considering the size of his contract, and the injury he will be returning from. I read on KCStar.com yesterday that they will be overhauling this team next year, likely getting rid of Kennison, Wiegmann, Welbourne, Bell, Law (maybe), Parker, and Dunn.B. Nugget said:
On The Rocks
Footballguy
Who are the top 2 or 3 TE's available? And is there a guy that can become a big play TE in the mold of Gates, Witten or Gonzalez?
Specifically one that would have a ton of upside and can slip to the 3rd round??
Specifically one that would have a ton of upside and can slip to the 3rd round??
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Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Why wouldn't he? Fargas is a free agent and the other two guys (Rhodes & Jordan) are stiffs.Add McFadden to the mix and the offense is all of a sudden looking pretty good, as long as Russell continues to develop.
As someone with 1.01, this is where I am hoping he goes. I'd rather have him in Oak vs Atl/NYJ.
yellowdog
Footballguy
All true, but if they end up with the 8th pick, how do they get him?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
At 8? They don't. They'd have to move up.If I were them, though, I'd figure out how to move up for Dorsey. They're looking at having a top 5 defense if they could somehow stop the run.As it is, though, Sedrick Ellis isn't a bad consolation prize.
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Spike
Footballguy
When is this due to hit the newstands?I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Probably after the season ends. Unless I'm bored at work next Wed-Fri when everyone has the post-Xmas do nothings.I like that more and more juniors are announcing their intentions.When is this due to hit the newstands?I have them taking McFadden in my next mock.
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