Here is another proof that Art Shell & Tom Walsh are the worst coa (1 Viewer)

[Young 8]

from SF GATE

That's how the Raiders do it.

Owner Al Davis continues to stand by coach Art Shell, who continues to stand by offensive coordinator Tom Walsh and his last-place scheme. And all of them continue to ignore how ridiculously outdated and overmatched the Raiders' offense has become.

After the Raiders lost to the Broncos 17-13 in Week 10, Jordan revealed that the team went into that game with only three running plays. THREE? Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

You remember that Denver game. Second-year quarterback Andrew Walter -- who was ordered to use shorter three- and five-step drops while his receivers continued to run seven-step (i.e., long-ball) routes -- suggested rather forcefully afterward that the Raiders playbook was too simple and that it was time to get a little more sophisticated.

In other words: How about a halftime adjustment, or are Walsh and Shell capable of that? How about something more exotic than a few handoffs and a deep throw against a seven-man rush on third down that inevitably ends up in the next county?

There is a reason why the Raiders have scored one second-half touchdown all season. Opposing coaching staffs quickly neutralize Walsh's Strat-o-Matic offense during the break. It's as simple as that.

 

[redman]

Well, I must admit that I at first thought that Walsh diagramming his plays on his Etch-a-Sketch was pretty cool, but . . .

 

[fred_1_15301]

from SF GATE

That's how the Raiders do it.

Owner Al Davis continues to stand by coach Art Shell, who continues to stand by offensive coordinator Tom Walsh and his last-place scheme. And all of them continue to ignore how ridiculously outdated and overmatched the Raiders' offense has become.

After the Raiders lost to the Broncos 17-13 in Week 10, Jordan revealed that the team went into that game with only three running plays. THREE? Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

You remember that Denver game. Second-year quarterback Andrew Walter -- who was ordered to use shorter three- and five-step drops while his receivers continued to run seven-step (i.e., long-ball) routes -- suggested rather forcefully afterward that the Raiders playbook was too simple and that it was time to get a little more sophisticated.

In other words: How about a halftime adjustment, or are Walsh and Shell capable of that? How about something more exotic than a few handoffs and a deep throw against a seven-man rush on third down that inevitably ends up in the next county?

There is a reason why the Raiders have scored one second-half touchdown all season. Opposing coaching staffs quickly neutralize Walsh's Strat-o-Matic offense during the break. It's as simple as that.

Why do you need more than 3 running plays? You have run left, run right, and run up the middle.......

 

[ATC1]

I wonder if the three-step sack can now be know as the Walsh play?

 

[BigRed]

Why do you need more than 3 running plays? You have run left, run right, and run up the middle.......

Welcome to FBG Mr ShellGB not a Raiders' fan.

 

[Couch Potato]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men.

These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.

I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve.

The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

 

[Silver & Black]

 

[Exile]

THREE? Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

That's not a fair comparison. The Raiders had Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl.

 

[fatness]

thebrushback.com had it right back in September

Link

Shell is doing his best to help morale, but he knows that most of his players would prefer not to be on the field.

“I understand that a lot of the guys are depressed and probably wish they could be placed on the inactive list, too,” said Shell, “but that’s normal when you’re playing like this. Believe me, I know how they feel. I’m not exactly enjoying myself up here either. Personally I’d be happy if they fired me and let [offensive coordinator] Tom Walsh take over. But he’d need to learn the offense first.”

 

[Sinrman]

THREE? Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

That's not a fair comparison. The Raiders had Bo Jackson in Tecmo Bowl.

 

[Bruno2]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men. These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve. The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

very As a fan this is how I felt (and many other frustrated fans I know have felt) since Gruden left and after the superbowl loss. The sad part is, at the beginning of the season many fans were excited for this team. For crying out loud, they sold out the Browns game which shocked the heck out of me. And the defense is decent/sometimes good. I just can't believe Davis, Shell, Walsh and whoever else has a say in things finds this awful offense acceptable. But week in week out, they keep running that garbage out on the field becoming the league's laughingstock, thats what I find unbelievable.I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.Tough time to be a Raider fan.

 

[imeimex]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men. These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve. The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

very As a fan this is how I felt (and many other frustrated fans I know have felt) since Gruden left and after the superbowl loss. The sad part is, at the beginning of the season many fans were excited for this team. For crying out loud, they sold out the Browns game which shocked the heck out of me. And the defense is decent/sometimes good. I just can't believe Davis, Shell, Walsh and whoever else has a say in things finds this awful offense acceptable. But week in week out, they keep running that garbage out on the field becoming the league's laughingstock, thats what I find unbelievable.I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.Tough time to be a Raider fan.

It is a good posting, but I have the feeling he stole it from a Bush thread in the Free For All.

 

[Couch Potato]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men. These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve. The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

very As a fan this is how I felt (and many other frustrated fans I know have felt) since Gruden left and after the superbowl loss. The sad part is, at the beginning of the season many fans were excited for this team. For crying out loud, they sold out the Browns game which shocked the heck out of me. And the defense is decent/sometimes good. I just can't believe Davis, Shell, Walsh and whoever else has a say in things finds this awful offense acceptable. But week in week out, they keep running that garbage out on the field becoming the league's laughingstock, thats what I find unbelievable.I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.Tough time to be a Raider fan.

It is a good posting, but I have the feeling he stole it from a Bush thread in the Free For All.

Nope, don't know what thread you're talking about. So you're calling me a plagiarist?! Them's fightin' words. I'm gonna sue!

 

[imeimex]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men. These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve. The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

very As a fan this is how I felt (and many other frustrated fans I know have felt) since Gruden left and after the superbowl loss. The sad part is, at the beginning of the season many fans were excited for this team. For crying out loud, they sold out the Browns game which shocked the heck out of me. And the defense is decent/sometimes good. I just can't believe Davis, Shell, Walsh and whoever else has a say in things finds this awful offense acceptable. But week in week out, they keep running that garbage out on the field becoming the league's laughingstock, thats what I find unbelievable.I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.Tough time to be a Raider fan.

It is a good posting, but I have the feeling he stole it from a Bush thread in the Free For All.

Nope, don't know what thread you're talking about. So you're calling me a plagiarist?! Them's fightin' words. I'm gonna sue!

I was joking, but I think the argument is valid for both the Shell administration and the Bush adminsitration. However, I don't want to piss in the shark pool.

 

[Tom Servo]

What's so sad is that Al Davis was once a very progressive enlightened football mind. But he's become very closed minded over time, and as these people tend to do, he has surrounded himself with similarly closed minded people and yes men. These kinds of people are so invested in their need to believe they are right, evidence to the contrary be damned, that they will not allow themselves to re-evaluate basics of their belief system. Their sense of self worth is wrapped up in their need to continue believing they are right. To them changing core beliefs is admission of failure, and by extension, failure as human beings.I've known a lot of people like this and it's hard to figure why they are this way. Some people as they get older get more and more this way, while some feel more free to let go of outdated beliefs and become more open to new ways of thinking. They build on experience and wisdom to continually reinvent themselves. I'm 48, so I'm speaking from experience here. Experience in life can be a very valuable thing, but only if you use it to grow and improve. The Raider "brain trust," as long as Al is leading, is destined to fail due to their own stubbornness in clinging to outmoded core football strategy. As a Raider local, I just patiently wait for the change in ownership that will one day take place.

very As a fan this is how I felt (and many other frustrated fans I know have felt) since Gruden left and after the superbowl loss. The sad part is, at the beginning of the season many fans were excited for this team. For crying out loud, they sold out the Browns game which shocked the heck out of me. And the defense is decent/sometimes good. I just can't believe Davis, Shell, Walsh and whoever else has a say in things finds this awful offense acceptable. But week in week out, they keep running that garbage out on the field becoming the league's laughingstock, thats what I find unbelievable.I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.Tough time to be a Raider fan.

It is a good posting, but I have the feeling he stole it from a Bush thread in the Free For All.

Nope, don't know what thread you're talking about. So you're calling me a plagiarist?! Them's fightin' words. I'm gonna sue!

I was joking, but I think the argument is valid for both the Shell administration and the Bush adminsitration. However, I don't want to piss in the shark pool.

At least you stopped yourself before too much came out...

 

[Jules Winnfield]

from SF GATE

That's how the Raiders do it.

Owner Al Davis continues to stand by coach Art Shell, who continues to stand by offensive coordinator Tom Walsh and his last-place scheme. And all of them continue to ignore how ridiculously outdated and overmatched the Raiders' offense has become.

After the Raiders lost to the Broncos 17-13 in Week 10, Jordan revealed that the team went into that game with only three running plays. THREE? Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

You remember that Denver game. Second-year quarterback Andrew Walter -- who was ordered to use shorter three- and five-step drops while his receivers continued to run seven-step (i.e., long-ball) routes -- suggested rather forcefully afterward that the Raiders playbook was too simple and that it was time to get a little more sophisticated.

In other words: How about a halftime adjustment, or are Walsh and Shell capable of that? How about something more exotic than a few handoffs and a deep throw against a seven-man rush on third down that inevitably ends up in the next county?

There is a reason why the Raiders have scored one second-half touchdown all season. Opposing coaching staffs quickly neutralize Walsh's Strat-o-Matic offense during the break. It's as simple as that.

Why do you need more than 3 running plays? You have run left, run right, and run up the middle...and then punt

fixed it for you

 

[Chief]

As a long time raider fan what always confused me was why there are the same position coaches year in and out. fred belitnikoff, for example. i think that al's problem is that he is SO loyal that he keeps these guys around even though they are behind the times. also, al is not as hands on as he used to be. he doesn't watch practice as he used to and i think that this misinformation is clouding his judgement as well. oh well. at least warren sapp slammed candy ### randy moss today.

 

[nortobc]

Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

 

[blue&silver]

QUOTE(Young 8 @ Nov 22 2006, 02:09 PM)

Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

Yes, yes it was. And a hell of a lot more fun than watching a Raiders gameThe Raiders offense needs to implement the style of rushing in this clip:

Bo knows Tecmo

 

[Blue-Kun]

QUOTE(Young 8 @ Nov 22 2006, 02:09 PM)

Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

Yes, yes it was. And a hell of a lot more fun than watching a Raiders gameThe Raiders offense needs to implement the style of rushing in this clip:

Bo knows Tecmo

Certainly that's one way for the Raiders to win, take up 5 minutes per TD run!

 

[ebcpastor2004]

QUOTE(Young 8 @ Nov 22 2006, 02:09 PM)

Tecmo Bowl was infinitely more complicated than that.

Yes, yes it was. And a hell of a lot more fun than watching a Raiders gameThe Raiders offense needs to implement the style of rushing in this clip:

Bo knows Tecmo

That was freaking hilarious!

 

[Cookiemonster]

I remember a few years ago ESPN did an interview with Ron Wolf, who had a hand in building the Raiders dominant teams of the '70s. And he said something to the effect that Al Davis has gone from a man consumed and obsessed with winning, to someone who is more worried about getting his money and filing lawsuits. That pretty much hit the nail on the head as well.

Tough time to be a Raider fan.

The biggest reason he only hires bargain-basement coaches (that will even accept the job). He'll pay players more $, if they're the type that have the name to fill some seats. This is not a team that is even built to win, and certainly is not coached to win.