Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[Baloney Sandwich]

The whole rental car thing throws me for a loop.

Was this a premediated murder? Was there another legitmate reason for the rental? Why sign for it under your own name? All the other evidence point to a heat of the moment type

killing except for the rental.

Haven't read all the details on this story, but is it possible that when they say "rental car" they

mean a lease? Instead of buying the cars, I imagine Hernandez is leasing.

I thought I saw references to Enterprise which makes me think they mean rental not lease

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

I can think of a couple. Everyone is out partying and having a good time. An argument starts between the gf and the victim and the gf shoots him (or maybe one of the other friends steps in between the argument and a gun goes off and shoots the victim in the head). Anyway, Hernandez is pleaded to by his own gf to do whatever they can to make it go away; she doesn't want anyhthing to happen to her sister. Hernandez feels compeeled to help his gf and sister. There IS a level of involvement of course, but not directly like most are thinking.Or, maybe the guys are out partying, are high and drunk, maybe smoking some weed and something goes down between the group (but not Hernandez directly). The victim dies and Hernandez feels compeeled to ry to make it go away because he knows that if this comes out, he is going to get busted for doing drugs and doesn't want a suspension. Best case scenario he thinks: no one ever misses this guy.

A lot of guessing by us all but when things go wrong, people's minds work in strange ways and the vast majority of the time, the end result is 10 times worse than what the original infraction was (outside of murder, of course). Its like a case we had once here where a guy skipped paying child support. Got threatened to go to jail if he didn't pay up so he gambled. Lost his money so he knocked off a Circle K. Ran from the law, of course, got involved in a high speed car chase. During the chase, does half a million in damages to property and kills a pedestrian. Injures himself in the crash. Loses a leg and an eye and goes to jail for 25 years, owes more money than he can ever repay over a $175/mo. child support bill.

I agree with your overall concept.1. Assume no one talks to the police.

2. There could have been a million different reasons why this happened. Argument, accident, hit...

3. It sounds like there were 4 men there when it went down, Hernandez likely being one, but can that even be proved?

4. He could have destroyed his stuff and got the house cleaned to cover up for any part he or his friends might have had. Can they really get him for obstruction if they can't prove what he destroyed/cleaned was indeed evidence?

5. Opinion - I suspect he had something to do directly with the murder. Maybe not the trigger man, but more than just providing a hideout for the killer, his buddy. I have lost all respect for him, but his decision to get rid of any evidence, I it worked might keep him out of jail, or a lesser sentence than he really deserves.

 

[Grigs Allmoon]

4. He could have destroyed his stuff and got the house cleaned to cover up for any part he or his friends might have had. Can they really get him for obstruction if they can't prove what he destroyed/cleaned was indeed evidence?

According to what someone posted about 10 pages back, yes.

 

[mikel0254]

Um, in your above scenarios he is up to his eyeballs involved.

How about he went home and went to bed. One of his friends did it, went to his house (he's staying there so he has a key) and destroys the security system. Hernandez sees the system busted, gets in argument with friend, his phone gets thrown. His previously scheduled cleaners show up. He hears the news, does the smart thing and lawyers up.

Not what I think happened, but certainly plausible.

If this is what happened, him/his lawyer/his PR guy would have all been talking to the media by now.

 

[Baloney Sandwich]

Um, in your above scenarios he is up to his eyeballs involved.

How about he went home and went to bed. One of his friends did it, went to his house (he's staying there so he has a key) and destroys the security system. Hernandez sees the system busted, gets in argument with friend, his phone gets thrown. His previously scheduled cleaners

show up. He hears the news, does the smart thing and lawyers up.

Not what I think happened, but certainly

plausible.

If this is what happened, him/his lawyer/his PR guy would have all been talking to the media by now.

No they wouldn't, his lawyers are not going to give up any leverage they would have in this scenario to the media. You work directly with the DA to cut the best deal and don't leak a thing to the media.

 

[mikel0254]

Um, in your above scenarios he is up to his eyeballs involved.

How about he went home and went to bed. Oneof his friends did it, went to his house (he's staying there so he has a key) and destroys the security system. Hernandez sees the system busted, gets in argument with friend, his phone gets thrown. His previously scheduled cleaners

show up. He hears the news, does the smart thing and lawyers up.

Not what I think happened, but certainly

plausible.

If this is what happened, him/his lawyer/his PR guy would have all been talking to the media by now.

No they wouldn't, his lawyers are not going to give up any leverage they would have in this scenario to the media. You work directly with the DA to cut the best deal and don't leak a thing to the media.

Did you read what he wrote? Why would a deal need to be cut if he was asleep?

You can think that all you want, but I can guarantee if this was the true scenario, AH is not going to ruin his life/career by staying quiet for some idiot friend that killed some guy. Celebrities don't take the wrap for idiot friends...idiot friends take the wrap for celebrities. Think about it, whatever happens with this, his endorsement deals are pretty much done. Who want's this guy to represent their brand now? All that happened by staying quiet and letting the media, and us want-a-be know-it-alls, pretty much convict him in our minds without so much as a trial. If he was truly innocent and had an alibi, his lawyers/agent/PR guy would be all over that and making sure he wasn't shown in a bad light. That's why you have a PR guy...

 

[rct]

4.Can they really get him for obstruction if they can't prove what he destroyed/cleaned was indeed evidence?

Yes.

If it is destroyed, he eliminated any possibility to show that it wasn't evidence. Obstruction of justice has to do with impeding an investigation which was clearly done here. In some states if by other means they can prove this had evidentiary value there might also be a charge of evidence tampering (don't know the laws in that state if that a possibility).

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

The Globe reports that video images, taken early Monday, show Hernandez and Lloyd together on Fayston Street in Dorchester, where Lloyd lives. About an hour later, says Fox Boston, neighbors of Hernandez reported hearing gunshots. Minutes after that, video shows Hernandez and two other men entering Hernandez's house.ABC News previously reported that Hernandez hired a professional cleaning service to scrub his house later that day.

A law enforcement source close to the case told ABC that Hernandez's home security system, which may include video surveillance, was intentionally destroyed sometime before police first searched his house. Hernandez's cell phone was also broken into pieces when he turned it over to investigators.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

FOX 25 also confirmed that the hard drive to Hernandez's home video surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his house.

How far is Dorchester from where Hernandez lives?

ETA: there's no way they successfully got rid of all the evidence.

 

[Mentos]

A warrant is out for his arrest.

 

[Bronx Bomber]

4.Can they really get him for obstruction if they can't prove what he destroyed/cleaned was indeed evidence?

Yes.

If it is destroyed, he eliminated any possibility to show that it wasn't evidence. Obstruction of justice has to do with impeding an investigation which was clearly done here. In some states if by other means they can prove this had evidentiary value there might also be a charge of evidence tampering (don't know the laws in that state if that a possibility).

Ok, I'm very ignorant on this but if at the point he destroyed his personal property, if no law officials had told him he was under investigation or charged with anything then couldn't he argue that he didn't know he was obstructing anything? I can't remember the time line but was the equipment damaged before the first warrent and search of his house? Even if it came after, those initial warrents need to be very specific correct? maybe they had a few things on the list that they were allowed to search and the video sysetem/personal communitcation devices were not on there. Just playing devils advocate, I think he is obviously obstructing something .

Edit: saw the post 2 up after I posted this about the timeline. So he damaged the equipment before police arrived to search the house. Again, how is this obstruction if he was not yet under investigation. I'd claim that I didn't want my GF/Fiance or whatever to see what went down at the party over the weekend?

 

[mikel0254]

The Globe reports that video images, taken early Monday, show Hernandez and Lloyd together on Fayston Street in Dorchester, where Lloyd lives. About an hour later, says Fox Boston, neighbors of Hernandez reported hearing gunshots. Minutes after that, video shows Hernandez and two other men entering Hernandez's house.ABC News previously reported that Hernandez hired a professional cleaning service to scrub his house later that day.

A law enforcement source close to the case told ABC that Hernandez's home security system, which may include video surveillance, was intentionally destroyed sometime before police first searched his house. Hernandez's cell phone was also broken into pieces when he turned it over to investigators.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

FOX 25 also confirmed that the hard drive to Hernandez's home video surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his house.

How far is Dorchester from where Hernandez lives?

ETA: there's no way they successfully got rid of all the evidence.

You'd have to think all the video is backed up on servers by the surveillance company who installed it. Just like cell phone service providers back up text messages and phone record logs...so you can destroy your phone all you want, but they'll eventually get all the info they are looking for.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

 

[johnnycakes]

What's the potential sentence for obstruction in a murder investigation?

Being traded to Baltimore.

 

[Hairy Snowman]

Arrest Warrant has been issued for Hernandez.

http://espn.go.com/boston/nfl/story/_/id/9409826/police-issue-arrest-warrant-aaron-hernandez-new-england-patriots-reports-abc-news

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Of course there's always the possibility that he's completely innocent and wasn't involved in the killing at all. Suits up game 1, plays every game and wins a Super Bowl ring.

zero percent chance of this

Never say 0. You were not there you don't know. The info given to the media based on the leaks is not verified. Its not like the guy had blood on his shirt.

could you give me a plausible scenario where he wouldnt be involved given what we know?

I can think of a couple. Everyone is out partying and having a good time. An argument starts between the gf and the victim and the gf shoots him (or maybe one of the other friends steps in between the argument and a gun goes off and shoots the victim in the head). Anyway, Hernandez is pleaded to by his own gf to do whatever they can to make it go away; she doesn't want anyhthing to happen to her sister. Hernandez feels compeeled to help his gf and sister. There IS a level of involvement of course, but not directly like most are thinking.

Or, maybe the guys are out partying, are high and drunk, maybe smoking some weed and something goes down between the group (but not Hernandez directly). The victim dies and Hernandez feels compeeled to ry to make it go away because he knows that if this comes out, he is going to get busted for doing drugs and doesn't want a suspension. Best case scenario he thinks: no one ever misses this guy.

A lot of guessing by us all but when things go wrong, people's minds work in strange ways and the vast majority of the time, the end result is 10 times worse than what the original infraction was (outside of murder, of course). Its like a case we had once here where a guy skipped paying child support. Got threatened to go to jail if he didn't pay up so he gambled. Lost his money so he knocked off a Circle K. Ran from the law, of course, got involved in a high speed car chase. During the chase, does half a million in damages to property and kills a pedestrian. Injures himself in the crash. Loses a leg and an eye and goes to jail for 25 years, owes more money than he can ever repay over a $175/mo. child support bill.

He's involved in every one of those scenarios.

 

[We Tigers]

What's the potential sentence for obstruction in a murder investigation?

He could get as little as probation with a plea, just like Ray Lewis. It's only a misdemeanor. It's also a common starting point for bigger charges.

 

[pantherclub]

The Globe reports that video images, taken early Monday, show Hernandez and Lloyd together on Fayston Street in Dorchester, where Lloyd lives. About an hour later, says Fox Boston, neighbors of Hernandez reported hearing gunshots. Minutes after that, video shows Hernandez and two other men entering Hernandez's house.ABC News previously reported that Hernandez hired a professional cleaning service to scrub his house later that day.

A law enforcement source close to the case told ABC that Hernandez's home security system, which may include video surveillance, was intentionally destroyed sometime before police first searched his house. Hernandez's cell phone was also broken into pieces when he turned it over to investigators.

FOX 25's Bob Ward's sources have confirmed that there is video evidence of Hernandez and two other men wearing hooded sweatshirts walking into Hernandez's home within minutes of neighbors hearing gunshots.

Neighbors say they heard the gunshots between 3 a.m. and 3:30 a.m. Monday morning, but did not report it to police right away.

Just about an hour before Hernandez was caught on video walking into his home, Hernandez was seen at Lloyd's home in Dorchester.

FOX 25 also confirmed that the hard drive to Hernandez's home video surveillance system was heavily damaged when state police investigators went to his house.

How far is Dorchester from where Hernandez lives?

ETA: there's no way they successfully got rid of all the evidence.

so he wasnt in bed asleep

looks like he is in this thing up to his eyeballs, but as we saw with Ray lewis it doesnt necessarily mean the end for him. MOney and lawyers have a way of figuring that stuff out.

Also basketball player Jason Williams comes to mind as well. That dude had eye witnesses and he still got aquitted

 

[rct]

Edit: saw the post 2 up after I posted this about the timeline. So he damaged the equipment before police arrived to search the house. Again, how is this obstruction if he was not yet under investigation. I'd claim that I didn't want my GF/Fiance or whatever to see what went down at the party over the weekend?

It doesn't matter that it was not yet under investigation. Otherwise anyone could destroy potential evidence and get away with it by claiming they had not yet been notified that the authorities were looking into this - and other evidence (surveillance videos) that link him to the victim that evening would indicate he should have known this might be of evidentiary value.

 

[LarryAllen'sJockstrap]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

See Ray Lewis. Three men, one being Lewis, killed two other men. The three took off and got rid of any evidence.In the end, the NFL star got off with a slap on the wrist for turning and the other two were found not guilty.

This is a different situation, and obviously the level if evidence will be different, but the concept is similar.

I will caveat that at least in the Lewis case his two accomplices were able to plead self defense because the murder stemmed from an initial fight. This sounds like cold blooded execution with Hernandez.

 

[bengalbuck]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

Good summary. Hard to think there is any realistic scenario where this guy wasn't murdered by Hernandez or one of his 2 friends. And seems very likely all 3 were together when it happened.

 

[Somebody]

I haven't seen anything about the murder weapon. I am assuming it hasn't been recovered yet?

 

[LuckyOne]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

Good summary. Hard to think there is any realistic scenario where this guy wasn't murdered by Hernandez or one of his 2 friends. And seems very likely all 3 were together when it happened.

Video evidence of the 3 together shortly after he was murdered would make it hard to argue it wasn't all 3 acting together. Still someone will roll on the others to lessen their sentence

 

[pantherclub]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

Good summary. Hard to think there is any realistic scenario where this guy wasn't murdered by Hernandez or one of his 2 friends. And seems very likely all 3 were together when it happened.

I wonder what the motive was?

 

[JaxBill]

ABC news reporter was on SIrirus NFL this morning. Most of whatthey said hs been covered already except-

- they're issuing the obstruction arrest warrant because they consider him a flight risk

- he has a "fleet" of rental cars in his name(why???)

- don't be surprised if another former NFL player is later involved in this probe.

- not only has Hernandez been uncooperative but the source said he acted like a "fake tough guy"

 

[We Tigers]

- don't be surprised if another former NFL player is later involved in this probe.

Prediction: Ty Warren ate all the evidence. It's the Patriot way!

 

[Doubtingthomas]

Geez...

So around 1am Hernandez is seen near Lloyd's House, which is 39 miles away from Hernandez's place

His North Attleboro neighbors hear shots at 3:30

A Hern and his boys are seen entering the house within minutes

Lloyd's body is found a mile from Hernandez's house

Hernandez spends Monday having his house scrubbed and destroys his phone and surveillance system

Zero chance one of the three didn't shoot him, and zero chance they aren't going to find evidence of that. Whether they can pin it down to a shooter if none of them flip? No idea. Nailing all three of them with some sort of charges probably helps their chances though.

Good summary. Hard to think there is any realistic scenario where this guy wasn't murdered by Hernandez or one of his 2 friends. And seems very likely all 3 were together when it happened.

I wonder what the motive was?

$$$

 

[Raiderfan32904]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

 

[bigmarc27]

ABC news reporter was on SIrirus NFL this morning. Most of whatthey said hs been covered already except-

- don't be surprised if another former NFL player is later involved in this probe.

That's interesting.

 

[rct]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Like a guy who pretends to be tough but acts like a ##### when his fake act is challenged.

 

[Raiderfan32904]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Like a guy who pretends to be tough but acts like a ##### when his fake act is challenged.

so basically a dooshbag. got it. thx!

 

[KellysHeroes]

Is he considered a fly risk? Hes got millions to his name and a thug mentality

 

[Banemorth]

Patriots already distancing themselves:

Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez, whose sprawling North Attleboro home is part of a homicide probe, was booted from Gillette Stadium yesterday when he showed up for a workout as cops continued to hunt for clues in the death of a Dorchester man, according to a source close to the team.

Hernandez, 23, was allowed in the building, but staff was waiting for him and instructed him to leave, the source told the Herald.

 

[kutta]

What's weird is that he doesn't look like a thug.

Can't tell if you're serious or not.

Dude is covered in tats.

I never realized he was such a thug, but now it makes more sense why he fell in the draft. I'm sure teams that looked into his character realized he wasn't exactly a model citizen.

And we all know that's a sure sign of being a thug.

Fine, he's not a thug...but he is wearing a thug's uniform.

Good grief. I would venture to bet that 80% of thugs don't have tats. We just hear about the one's that do, and of course every thug on TV has one, thus guys with tats are obviously thugs. And all long hairs smoke pot. It's common knowledge.

I'll take that bet.

And I'll take the "long haired dudes smoke pot" bet too.

I have long hair and a few tattoos and I haven't gotten in trouble for anything except a speeding ticket since I was 16...

But see, you are mixing the two. These are either/or propositions.

 

[captbly]

Aaron Hernandez to be charged with obstruction of justicehttp://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/21/tight-end-aaron-hernandez-to-be-charged-in-connection-homicide-obstruction-of-justice/2441631/

 

[johnnycakes]

Aaron Hernandez to be charged with obstruction of justice

http://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/patriots/2013/06/21/tight-end-aaron-hernandez-to-be-charged-in-connection-homicide-obstruction-of-justice/2441631/

You read McPaper?

 

[SayWhat?]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

 

[Raider Nation]

Anyone know if Hernandez is going to be charged with something???

 

[BruceAlmighty]

A Boston radio station just stated that two different sources told them the same rumor as to what the motive will be and that it's "jaw on the floor weird" but they wouldn't elaborate.

 

[kutta]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

 

[werdnoynek]

I heard the charge is wearing a stocking cap in the summer. This could be serious folks.

 

[Banemorth]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

A Boston radio station just stated that two different sources told them the same rumor as to what the motive will be and that it's "jaw on the floor weird" but they wouldn't elaborate.

Maybe it happened in a closet?

 

[HellToupee]

Its all over for him bubba. Anyone who thinkshe'll play again is whistling past the graveyard

 

[kOOk]

what does a "fake tough guy" act like?

Like a guy who pretends to be tough but acts like a ##### when his fake act is challenged.

NOt sure the deceased would agree with the fake part.

 

[Shanahanigans]

Also basketball player Jason Williams comes to mind as well. That dude had eye witnesses and he still got aquitted

Jayson Williams was convicted of 5 charges related to the murder. The most serious came when he took a plea to go from reckless manslaughter to aggravated assault, and was sentenced to 5 years in prison with the possibility of parole after 18 months.

 

[mikel0254]

Anyone think that Hernandez will be charged with obstruction of justice? I feel like that charge is imminent.

He was arrested and charged with that this morning.

Where did you hear he was already arrested?

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Two teammates tell Sports Illustrated's Greg A. Bedard Aaron Hernandez "got more brazen" after signing his seven-year, $41.115 million extension last August.
Worries about Hernandez's past apparently extended beyond his marijuana issues in college, with reports indicating in recent days teams were concerned about reported gang ties in his native Connecticut. "Brazenness" is certainly suggested by Hernandez's rumored/alleged pattern of violence this offseason. His NFL future is as clear as mud.

Source: Greg A. Bedard on Twitter

 

[Workhorse]

Have heard from two Patriots teammates who said, in their opinion, Hernandez got more brazen after contract extension.

That's from Greg A. Bedard on Twitter.

This, to me, speaks volumes. Given the usual info lockdown from Patriots players and staff, the fact that two players shared this same sentiment to the press indicates to me that the team is cutting all ties with Hernandez, regardless of the outcome of the legal proceedings.

 

[gump]

He's not just a flight risk....I bet he's already gone or attempting flight.

 

[Touchdown There]

He's not just a flight risk....I bet he's already gone or attempting flight.

Real gangsta's wear a suit and stand their ground.