Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

[ghostguy123]

Whens the deceased's funeral? Id have to think that AH is basically an extension of family, Not going will be viewed as damning...... Going he would be persecuted....

Going would just be wrong even if he truly was not involved. Even if he was completely innocent of everything, it would just be common decency not to attend the funeral of someone when everyone thinks you were involved in his death, right or wrong. A private message to the family would be much more appropriate.

Not going is no indication of anything.

I see both sidesy, I also think hes in a no win situation. Goes.... He has no conscience, does not go, public thinks he is more guilty

Or just has his awesome lawyer say that the funeral is all about the deceased and the family, knowing hernandez's presence would cause a total distraction that would be very disrespectful.

 

[ghostguy123]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

 

[Yitbos69]

People are really reaching to say that Hernandez had anything to do with this murder. Isn't it likely that alien came down from outer space, attempted to abduct Hernandez and his friends while they were playing hacky-sack in the industrial park, and one of his friends discharged a firearm at the aliens, accidentally hitting the victim several times? Then there was probably a pursuit on foot as Hernandez and his friends ran back to his mansion, part of which was captured by Hernandez on his phone's camera and later on his surveillance system. The aliens then destroy both Hernandez's phone and hard drive, and leave several paper bag alien stink bombs as revenge before beaming back up to their ship.

I say he plays in 2013.

Great post!

 

[squistion]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

Oh yes, in this neighborhood, I am sure that he hears of people that are being killed down the road all the time - that town is the east coast version of Compton. Police can't keep up with body count from all the gang related shootings and violence.

 

[KCitons]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

Oh yes, in this neighborhood, I am sure that he hears of people that are being killed down the road all the time - that town is the east coast version of Compton. Police can't keep up with body count from all the gang related shootings and violence.

LOL. I was thinking AH's neighbors probably have a petition signed already, requesting Aaron move. He won't be attending the July 4th block party.

 

[The Kerminator]

Michael K. Fee of Ropes & Gray LLP, the attorney for Aaron Hernandez, has released the following statement tonight: "Over the past week, our client, Aaron Hernandez, has been the subject of a relentless flood of rumors, misinformation, and false reports in the media. These include the repeated publication of a supposedly confirmed report that an arrest warrant had been issued for Aaron, a report that was exposed as untrue. None of these false reports come from official sources and we appreciate the professionalism and restraint shown by the Bristol County District Attorney’s Office to date with regard to its public statements while its investigation is underway. Out of respect for that ongoing investigation, we will continue to refrain from commenting on its substance."

http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post/_/id/4744759/statement-from-hernandezs-attorney

 

[Spin]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

If the police are searching his house for a murder weapon and find something completely unrelated, like cocaine, can they hold that against him?

 

[ghostguy123]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

Oh yes, in this neighborhood, I am sure that he hears of people that are being killed down the road all the time - that town is the east coast version of Compton. Police can't keep up with body count from all the gang related shootings and violence.

We all knew about it the next day, pretty sure he did too.

Well, he knew about it as it happened, but you get the idea.

 

[ghostguy123]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

If the police are searching his house for a murder weapon and find something completely unrelated, like cocaine, can they hold that against him?

Yes. Which is why all the idiot things he did don't 100% directly mean it's because he is covering up a murder. For all we know he was filming kiddie porn.

 

[GregR]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

In your hypothetical, does he intentionally destroy evidence the murder investigation will want to see? Yes he does. That means he'd still be guilty of obstructing the murder investigation.

You keep focusing on details about the evidence. That isn't the crux of it. It's whether he acted intentionally to hinder the investigation. Even if the tape shows nothing but an empty room with no people in it... if he destroyed it to keep the murder investigation from seeing it, then he's guilty of obstruction of justice.

 

[PatsWillWin]

For my fantasy team's sake, I hope AHern's lawyers manage to get 12 ghostguys on the jury.

 

[steveski]

People are really reaching to say that Hernandez had anything to do with this murder. Isn't it likely that alien came down from outer space, attempted to abduct Hernandez and his friends while they were playing hacky-sack in the industrial park, and one of his friends discharged a firearm at the aliens, accidentally hitting the victim several times? Then there was probably a pursuit on foot as Hernandez and his friends ran back to his mansion, part of which was captured by Hernandez on his phone's camera and later on his surveillance system. The aliens then destroy both Hernandez's phone and hard drive, and leave several paper bag alien stink bombs as revenge before beaming back up to their ship.

I say he plays in 2013.

Great post!

That's completely illogical. Everybody knows that aliens aren't real. Zombies on the other hand....?

 

[Warrior]

To prove obstruction of justice, wouldn't the state have to prove that their was actually a crime committed on Hernandez's property to obstruct to?

Previously posted from Wikipedia:

Obstruction charges can also be laid if a person alters or destroys physical evidence, even if he was under no compulsion at any time to produce such evidence. Often, no actual investigation or substantiated suspicion of a specific incident need exist to support a charge of obstruction of justice.

well nevermind then

I guess we should just all hope that the next time we get mad and throw our phones against the wall that the police dont come knocking asking for it for evidence, or else you will be charged with obstruction, lol.

Especially if we are involved in a murder just beforehand.

 

[Warrior]

He looks pretty gullible...

http://www.ropesgray.com/michaelfee

 

[donkshow]

It looks like many are confusing "charged" with "convicted".

You can absolutely be charged with obstruction of justice on circumstantial evidence, getting the conviction on it is what takes the extra effort.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

 

[Shutout]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

 

[Hoosier16]

He looks pretty gullible...

http://www.ropesgray.com/michaelfee

I can't believe he doesn't have a criminal attorney.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

 

[Raiderfan32904]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

 

[KCitons]

Something the didn't get discussed a whole lot was the fact that a locksmith had to show up during the second search warrant.

This could be another charge of obstruction of justice. Who has a locked door, box, safe, whatever in their house and doesn't have a key?

I could see AH, telling the police that something is locked and he has no idea what is in/behind the lock.

 

[KCitons]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

I don't remember ever hearing an estimated time as to when the phone or security system was destroyed. Either way, if both items are communicating through a network, it's going to be pretty easy to determine exactly what time they were destroyed.

 

[Shutout]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

 

[gianmarco]

Part of an email from a friend of mine who is a Pats fan. I believe he figured it all out:

[SIZE=12pt]Hernandez still not arrested. I think I got it figured out. Hernandez is covering for his girlfriends sister. The dead dude hooked up with some other chick. The sister of Hernandez’s girlfriend found out and shot him in the head…happens every day. That is the only possible scenario that I don’t end up hating Hernandez (like I hate Ray Lewis). Hernandez still goes to jail though…and misses this season.[/SIZE]

We can lock up the thread now.

 

[GroveDiesel]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

Oh yes, in this neighborhood, I am sure that he hears of people that are being killed down the road all the time - that town is the east coast version of Compton. Police can't keep up with body count from all the gang related shootings and violence.

And not just anybody being killed, his buddy that he was hanging with just hours before that was also dating his girlfriend's sister.

 

[Shutout]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Smashing the phone makes perfect sense to me because if the cops stumbled across stuff like that, they absolutely want to look at your phone records because if you do a drug deal via phone, you're in deep stuff. Remember, Jamal Lewis served time, not because of the drugs but because he commited a felony of using a communication device to traffic drugs across state lines.

I don't pretend to know any angle beyond guessing, just like the rest of you guys but I'm just saying keep a very open mind because there are MANY MANY other possible reasons other than "HE DID IT!"

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

 

[Banger]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Smashing the phone makes perfect sense to me because if the cops stumbled across stuff like that, they absolutely want to look at your phone records because if you do a drug deal via phone, you're in deep stuff. Remember, Jamal Lewis served time, not because of the drugs but because he commited a felony of using a communication device to traffic drugs across state lines.

I don't pretend to know any angle beyond guessing, just like the rest of you guys but I'm just saying keep a very open mind because there are MANY MANY other possible reasons other than "HE DID IT!"

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Again, how could he have possibly known the police were going to show up before they did? He would have had no idea his friend was killed before the police showed up. Its wasn't in the news until they did show up.

 

[KCitons]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

If he didn't destroy the phone and security system until after the police showed up, then he only had seconds (not minutes or hours) to do it. If this is the case, then there is no way he destroyed them enough to hide the evidence.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Question: The first time they knocked on his door, the cops did mention it was a murder investigation, right? And this was presumably before he destroyed his security camera and cellphone, right? So if he knew that they weren't looking for his stash of dope or porno mags, and the charge coming down was much more serious, why does he go and break his cameras and phone? I may have the timeline wrong, but that scenario just doesn't have any plausibility.

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Smashing the phone makes perfect sense to me because if the cops stumbled across stuff like that, they absolutely want to look at your phone records because if you do a drug deal via phone, you're in deep stuff. Remember, Jamal Lewis served time, not because of the drugs but because he commited a felony of using a communication device to traffic drugs across state lines.

I don't pretend to know any angle beyond guessing, just like the rest of you guys but I'm just saying keep a very open mind because there are MANY MANY other possible reasons other than "HE DID IT!"

To me it would be more plausible if neighbors didn't hear a gunshot, he wasn't seen with the victim hours before his death, he wasn't placed in his car after the bar, a car rented to him wasn't found at the scene, he didn't hire a cleaning crew the following day, he didn't smash his surveillance system and he didn't smash his phone. It could all be just a lot of weird coincidences and there are 9 "plausible" explanations but taking a step back if it wasn't Hernandez that had millions of dollars and played professional football and just some John Doe who was a construction worker I think everyone would see this as an open and shut case.

There's no guarantee that Hernandez will ever be found guilty of being involved in this, but anyone that is trying to convince themselves that he wasn't involved in any way at all, are just not being logical about it. Any other scenario is as far fetched as the "alien invasion" offered earlier in the thread.

 

[Shutout]

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Again, how could he have possibly known the police were going to show up before they did? He would have had no idea his friend was killed before the police showed up. Its wasn't in the news until they did show up.

I don't know the timeline So I don't know but one possible reasoning might be that the man dies, they notify the girlfriend who tells her sister who tells Aaron. It may or may not be the case but I can see a scenario where people are notified in private and the people closest to the situation know that something has occurred and then, after that point in time, someone makes a connection and then breaks the story that we then start hearing because it does involve a person like Hernandez.

Again, your question may very well prove your reasoning. I don't know. But I think there are always things going on that we tend to connect dots on that look past other factors. For all I know, if the man died at 3am, maybe Hernandez's fiance got a call by 4am and the family was aware before dawn broke.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Again, how could he have possibly known the police were going to show up before they did? He would have had no idea his friend was killed before the police showed up. Its wasn't in the news until they did show up.

I don't know the timeline So I don't know but one possible reasoning might be that the man dies, they notify the girlfriend who tells her sister who tells Aaron. It may or may not be the case but I can see a scenario where people are notified in private and the people closest to the situation know that something has occurred and then, after that point in time, someone makes a connection and then breaks the story that we then start hearing because it does involve a person like Hernandez.

Again, your question may very well prove your reasoning. I don't know. But I think there are always things going on that we tend to connect dots on that look past other factors. For all I know, if the man died at 3am, maybe Hernandez's fiance got a call by 4am and the family was aware before dawn broke.

So he'd rather destroy evidence that could actually help clear him as a suspect than have people know he was smoking pot inside his home?

It's fun to play devil's advocate and all, but there needs to be some basis of reality behind it.

 

[KCitons]

We are all doing so much speculation so who knows but I guess I'm the kind of guy that can see a scenario where a young man with a lot of fame and money might think of it as simply as "Man, if they come in here and see my huge stash of drugs, I'm going to lose my paycheck and get suspended and be forced into the drug program. And because I am a known sports star, they would probably make a big deal out of this."

Again, how could he have possibly known the police were going to show up before they did? He would have had no idea his friend was killed before the police showed up. Its wasn't in the news until they did show up.

I don't know the timeline So I don't know but one possible reasoning might be that the man dies, they notify the girlfriend who tells her sister who tells Aaron. It may or may not be the case but I can see a scenario where people are notified in private and the people closest to the situation know that something has occurred and then, after that point in time, someone makes a connection and then breaks the story that we then start hearing because it does involve a person like Hernandez.

Again, your question may very well prove your reasoning. I don't know. But I think there are always things going on that we tend to connect dots on that look past other factors. For all I know, if the man died at 3am, maybe Hernandez's fiance got a call by 4am and the family was aware before dawn broke.

I thought a jogger found the body. So, I would guess it was after sunrise.

 

[ghostguy123]

For my fantasy team's sake, I hope AHern's lawyers manage to get 12 ghostguys on the jury.

And the chances of that are high enough for me not to sell at dirt prices.

 

[KCitons]

For my fantasy team's sake, I hope AHern's lawyers manage to get 12 ghostguys on the jury.

And the chances of that are high enough for me not to sell at dirt prices.

Now all your other posts make sense.

 

[ghostguy123]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things. I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

Who is defending him?? Everyone in here thinks he did it or likely did it, or at the very least was right there for it.

People are just talking about other possibilities. Well, that and the real possibility he diesnt get convicted of anything super serious even if he did do it.

 

[PatsFanCT]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

There are no "Hernandez apologists" here. The irony of your statement is funny. There are a few of us who hope he wasn't involved and are just waiting to get more information, and then there is the majority (yourself) who have been "stretching the bounds of logic" with crazy murder scenarios, guaranteeing guilt, predicting jail time and missed seasons, assuming Odin's family wouldn't want him at the funeral, etc.

We have not received any new information since this story broke, and nobody has a clue of what went down and who was involved.

 

[KCitons]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

There are no "Hernandez apologists" here. The irony of your statement is funny. There are a few of us who hope he wasn't involved and are just waiting to get more information, and then there is the majority (yourself) who have been "stretching the bounds of logic" with crazy murder scenarios, guaranteeing guilt, predicting jail time and missed seasons, assuming Odin's family wouldn't want him at the funeral, etc.

We have not received any new information since this story broke, and nobody has a clue of what went down and who was involved.

Yeah, but we are not alone. The Patriots didn't want him around either. So, they are passing judgement as well.

 

[PatsFanCT]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

There are no "Hernandez apologists" here. The irony of your statement is funny. There are a few of us who hope he wasn't involved and are just waiting to get more information, and then there is the majority (yourself) who have been "stretching the bounds of logic" with crazy murder scenarios, guaranteeing guilt, predicting jail time and missed seasons, assuming Odin's family wouldn't want him at the funeral, etc.

We have not received any new information since this story broke, and nobody has a clue of what went down and who was involved.

Yeah, but we are not alone. The Patriots didn't want him around either. So, they are passing judgement as well.

Riiiiight.

 

[donkshow]

This thread is impossible to read in mobile with all those quotes.

 

[ghostguy123]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Like everything else, it's probabilistic.

I think the odds are over 95% that Hernandez was present when someone was murdered and has scrambled to cover it up ever since.

Given that I've seen him trading for maybe 20-40 cents on the dollar (WAG) I think it's a no-brainer to get something for him while the getting is good.

But if you think there's a better than 30-40% chance he didn't do it or could beat the rap then it's probably best to hang on. Frankly that seems loopy to me, but there's all sorts in this world.

 

[KCitons]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

 

[PatsFanCT]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

Wait, what? Do tell.

 

[KCitons]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

I'm sure the Pats facility has better equipment to rehab, than AH has at his home. Are other players allowed to use the team facility? Where the Pats reacting to the media reports of an arrest warrant being made.

As far as media circus, I give you exhibit A ------> TIM TEBOW.

 

[PatsFanCT]

Guilt, no guilt, whatever. The patriots dont want the circus at practice, and it woukd be beyond inappropriate to go to the funeral.

But wait, if he's not guilty, then the patriots are treating him unfairly. He's coming back from shoulder surgery and could use the assistance of the Pats medical staff.

BTW, this is sarcasm. (but their is some truth)

The medical staff isn't there. The coaches aren't there. The players aren't there. The Patriots aren't practicing. But they should let Hernandez walk around their facilities with helicopters and a media circus? Yeah, those bastards.

I'm sure the Pats facility has better equipment to rehab, than AH has at his home. Are other players allowed to use the team facility? Where the Pats reacting to the media reports of an arrest warrant being made.

As far as media circus, I give you exhibit A ------> TIM TEBOW.

So, basically you're saying you got nuttin', but still want to debate. Got it.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

The point of the law is to make it illegal to hinder a criminal investigation. It wouldn't make much sense to leave it legal to do so, so long as you haven't received notice of an investigation, or so long as the crime hasn't yet been reported.

Yes, I know. Just that some other things need to be proven 1st, and if they are, bye bye

Quick example. Say Hernandez hears (or knows) this dude was killed down the road. And he thinks his house will be searched. He destroys his videos because he knows of a lot of OTHER illegal activity going on inside the house, unrelated to this guy's murder. That and he also tries to get rid of other illegal stuff in the house.

Again, just saying, a few other things would need to be proven in order to prove that destroying his home security system and cell phone were actually obstructing anything regarding the murder.

Clearly we all think that's what he was doing, but again, gotta prove it.

"Your honor, I was trying to destroy the evidence of all my OTHER illegal activities. So you see I wasn't trying to impede this particular investigation. You dig?"

As silly as that DOES sound, when you really think about it, why WOULDN'T he do that, if it were the case? Let's say he doesn't have anything involved in this case but he knows people are going to come turn his house upside down. And let's say that he's been smoking pot and living a life of debauchery and he just comes to the conclusion that he will hide all his drugs, porn, gambling, etc,etc and reasons that if they still find it and bring it out, that's bad but otherwise, the NFL doesn't need to know about those things.

I know, it can sound silly to us in a rational setting but we all have gotten caught up in the moment of something and done something irrational and then thought later "boy that WAS stupid." His motivation in all this could be nothing more than after a night of partying and drinking/smoking, his judgement told him to try to hide the stuff that would jeopardize his 2013 salary...and that's a lot of money.

Why would he think the police were going to be coming to his house?

Other than the fact that he and his boys capped some other dude, of course?

If for no other reason because of the relationships. They are reported as being friends who had spent time with one another before the death. Police usually talk to those people. The victim was dating the sister of Hernandez's sister. I think it seems logical that they all spent time there so they might come to his house to talk to him OR the fiance OR the sister (seems logical that the sister might be distrught upon hearing the news and then goes to the house to be comforted by her sister). Just thoughts on how it works sometimes, I think. I once had a neighbor die. The cops talked to everyone in the neighborhood and did want to have a look inside the car of a friend of the neighbor.

But how would he have known this dude was murdered and the cops were coming, before they showed up?

It wasn't "in the news" until the cops did show up at his house already.

Hernandez apologists (i.e hopeful owners) are really stretching the bounds of logic with their defenses of him.

There is no other reason Hernandez would have destroyed his surveillance system, other than that he was covering his tracks. He wouldn't have felt the need to hide his other crimes, before he would have had any reason to know his friend was murdered.

There are no "Hernandez apologists" here. The irony of your statement is funny. There are a few of us who hope he wasn't involved and are just waiting to get more information, and then there is the majority (yourself) who have been "stretching the bounds of logic" with crazy murder scenarios, guaranteeing guilt, predicting jail time and missed seasons, assuming Odin's family wouldn't want him at the funeral, etc.

We have not received any new information since this story broke, and nobody has a clue of what went down and who was involved.

I haven't done any of those things. I've only said it's fairly obvious he has some level of involvement in this murder. It's also a lock he's done enough to be charged with obstruction of justice at the very least - whether he will, only time will tell.