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Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (1 Viewer)

Anarchy99 said:
Faust said:
Legal notebook: Updates in Hernandez, Pistorius and O'Bannon cases
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Interesting. Michael McCann wrote that article, but he was one of the ones I have heard discussing the case on radio and suggested that the prosecution's case got easier under the joint venture filing.
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This part stood out to me in regards to the joint venture thing:

3. Prosecutors hope Wallace will eventually turn on Hernandez and testify against him. Rumors persist that Wallace's legal expenses are being paid by Hernandez. Until now, Wallace was "only" facing accessory charges, which carry a maximum of seven years in prison. He's now charged with murder and faces a life sentence if convicted. The price for Wallace's continued silence may be rising. Expect Wallace to be offered an attractive deal by prosecutors in exchange for testifying that he watched Hernandez shoot Lloyd.
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The difference in sentence could definitely seem to be leverage to get Wallace to testify rather than take his chances with a trial.

 
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Anarchy99 said:
I'm not a lawyer, but from the talking heads discussion on this they don't have to prove any individual committed the murder in a joint venture. That's the point of the law. Nobody "walks" on murder charges, as they all get the same penalty. From what I remember, if there was criminal intent, a murder, and a conspiracy to cover it up, then all three can get charged under the joint venture law no matter who pulled the trigger. From all accounts that I have seen, this makes the prosecution's case easier and the defense's case harder. Also, if the state played their cards right, they could schedule the trials of the other two guys before Hernandez' trial, allowing the prosecution to see what develops in the other cases to use in AH's trial. Also, unless Hernandez is going to pick up the tab for the other defendants, the other two guys won't have anywhere near the same level of representation as Hernandez . . . meaning that the prosecution might be able to have better success in the other cases. I don't know the rules of combining cases, but IMO it seems like all three trials could be rolled into one, but I am not sure how or if that could happen.
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He is picking up the tab on Wallace.

 
Aaron Hernandez indicted in 2012 double homicideBy Dan Hanzus

Around the League Writer

Former New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez was indicted Thursday on two counts of first-degree murder related to the deaths of two men outside a Boston nightclub in 2012.

Hernandez is accused of murdering Daniel Abreu and Safiro Furtado on June 26, 2012. The two men were shot to death after an individual riding in an SUV with Rhode Island plates allegedly pulled up alongside their car and opened fire in Boston's South End.

Suffolk County District Attorney Daniel Conley laid out the specifics of the case during a Thursday news conference. Conley identified Hernandez as the alleged shooter in the crime.

"When the victims' car stopped at a red light on Sherman Avenue waiting to turn onto Herald Street, the SUV pulled up beside the victims' car on the right," Conley explained. "Aaron Hernandez then fired a .38 caliber revolver multiple times from the driver's side of his vehicle into the passenger side of the victims' vehicle."

Conley said a "chance encounter" between Hernandez and the victims triggered a series of events that ended with the fatal shootings. Conley said the victims had no known connections to gangs, guns or any crimes.

"This case was about two victims who were stalked, ambushed and senselessly murdered," Conley said.

Conley said police have recovered the murder weapon from an individual with ties to Hernandez. The SUV believed to be at the scene was found in the garage of a Hernandez family member.

Hernandez has been in jail since last June for his alleged role in the shooting death of semi-pro football player Odin Lloyd, whose body was found in an industrial park near Hernandez's North Attleborough, Mass., home on June 17, 2012. Hernandez has pleaded not guilty to first-degree murder in the Lloyd case and is being held without bail.

Hernandez was in the news earlier this month after a Bristol County grand jury indicted him on charges related to the assault of a fellow inmate at the Bristol County House of Correction.
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I just noticed yesterday that he is still rostered in one of my dynasty leagues. Some people have a rough time cutting bait and moving on.

 
I think we are at the point where you can start referring to Aaron Hernandez as a serial killer. Incredible.

I'm seriously wondering how many other people he has killed. And how far back.

 
I still have a cap penalty because of him in one league, and will have one until he's "retired" by MFL standards...

 
TheFanatic said:
Uh, is this at all relevant to Fantasy Football anymore? Shouldn't this be in the FFA?
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The Patriots are still on the hook for his contract and the salary cap hit. This new double murder indictment could get the Pats out from under both, as the murders occurred two weeks before the contract was signed. There was a stipulation in the contract that Hernandez signed attesting to him not being involved in any criminal activity that would make the contract null and void.

 
Yenrub said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Where's the False Start guy screaming innocent?

Will he back to scream conspiracy or something like that?

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<False Start>

Guys Aaron Hernandez is innocent until proven guilty however that Kaepernick fellow is a straight up thug

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I cant defend innocent until proven guilty now that he is indicted for two more murders. One, I will say get your day in court for anyone and will continue to do so, but three and his in house jail issues? Nope, not anymore.

 
Pats could potentially avoid $7.5 million cap hit for this year and could also get another $3.7 million in additional cap room this season for the cap hit they had to take last year. That's $11.2 million . . . which could be applied to bringing in Andre Johnson. Not sure how the league would adjudicate the whole mess, how long it would take, and when they would issue a decision.

 
Faust said:
Michael McCann article (with some brief discussion on the implications for the NFL and the Patriots):

New double-murder charges devastating for Aaron Hernandez
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From the article: "The charging of Hernandez for two separate murders, occurring nearly a year apart, raises serious questions about how Hernandez could live a double life of a triple-murderer and NFL player. How could his teammates and coaches have no idea? Were suspicions raised at any point, including by the league or players' association?"

There's a fun experiment you can do with a three-year old. Show him a box of M&Ms. Let him open the box, but inside there are no M&Ms. There are instead a bunch of colored ribbons. Close the box and introduce a new three-year-old to the room, and ask the first one what the second one thinks will be in the box of M&Ms. His answer will be ribbons, even though there's no reason for the second three-year-old to suspect ribbons. Then ask the first three-year-old what he expected to be in the box before he opened it. His answer will again be ribbons.

It's a funny experiment with the three-year-old because his mistake is so obvious. But adults do the exact same thing, just less obviously. We backdate our own knowledge. That's why older generations always think that younger generations are so stupid. Today's college kids are ignorant about all sorts of stuff, and they don't punctuate properly, especially on Twitter. Today's 40-year-olds recognize the ignorance of today's college kids and expect civilization to decline because of it. What today's 40-year-olds seldom understand is that they were pretty ignorant when they were in college as well. Even their punctuation probably stunk. But they backdate their present knowledge and falsely believe that, when they were in college, they were less ignorant than today's college kids.

The SI article is doing the same thing. We now know that Hernandez is a murderous scumbag. But a year ago at this time, there was no good reason for the Patriots to believe that he was anything worse than a non-murderous scumbag. Let's not backdate our present knowledge, project it onto others, and pretend that the 2012 Patriots should have known that there were ribbons in the M&Ms box. After all, I don't remember SI being "suspicious" back then that Hernandez was a triple-murderer, either.

 
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Maurile Tremblay said:
Faust said:
Michael McCann article (with some brief discussion on the implications for the NFL and the Patriots):

New double-murder charges devastating for Aaron Hernandez
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From the article: "The charging of Hernandez for two separate murders, occurring nearly a year apart, raises serious questions about how Hernandez could live a double life of a triple-murderer and NFL player. How could his teammates and coaches have no idea? Were suspicions raised at any point, including by the league or players' association?"

There's a fun experiment you can do with a three-year old. Show him a box of M&Ms. Let him open the box, but inside there are no M&Ms. There are instead a bunch of colored ribbons. Close the box and introduce a new three-year-old to the room, and ask the first one what the second one thinks will be in the box of M&Ms. His answer will be ribbons, even though there's no reason for the second three-year-old to suspect ribbons. Then ask the first three-year-old what he expected to be in the box before he opened it. His answer will again be ribbons.

It's a funny experiment with the three-year-old because his mistake is so obvious. But adults do the exact same thing, just less obviously. We backdate our own knowledge. That's why older generations always think that younger generations are so stupid. Today's college kids are ignorant about all sorts of stuff, and they don't punctuate properly, especially on Twitter. Today's 40-year-olds recognize the ignorance of college kids and expect civilization to decline because of it. What today's 40-year-olds seldom understand is that they were pretty ignorant when they were in college as well. Even their punctuation probably stunk. But they backdate their present knowledge and falsely believe that, when they were in college, they were less ignorant than today's college kids.

The SI article is doing the same thing. We now know that Hernandez is a murderous scumbag. But a year ago at this time, there was no good reason for the Patriots to believe that he was anything worse than a non-murderous scumbag. Let's not backdate our present knowledge, project it onto others, and pretend that the 2012 Patriots should have known that there were ribbons in the M&Ms box. After all, I don't remember SI being "suspicious" back then that Hernandez was a triple-murderer, either.
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I don't think any team has really suspected a player of being a murderer until an allegation has been made.

Now we know, & I agree with the principle of your comments... How are you supposed to know that your player is the biggest scumbag in the NFL since Rae Carruth? There could be red flags that someone is doing drugs, getting into altercations, or just an #######... But a serial killer, I don't fault the Pats for not knowing that.

 
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Maurile Tremblay makes a very solid point with regards to the article and hindsight perception; however, what we also need to remember about this case is that Hernandez fell in the NFL Draft over his character concerns, and that the Patriots deploy a security team that should be attempting to vet out these types of concerns, and these are valid questions to be asking of the Patriots (I am sure Kraft had some similar questions asking how this one slipped through the cracks). It isn't like the Patriots function like three-year-old kids after all, they are a significant sized, and hopefully somewhat sophisticated business enterprise.

I am not arguing that the Patriots should be held accountable, and that they should have known what was going to unfold with Hernandez, but surely they must have heard some internal "whispers", especially if other Patriots players were visiting the "flop house" that Hernandez established?

Perhaps they did have an inclination that there was some elevated degree of risk here, as they worded the new contract with language protecting them should something unforeseen happen, or perhaps that is pretty standard contract language for all NFL players?

 
Faust said:
Maurile Tremblay makes a very solid point with regards to the article and hindsight perception; however, what we also need to remember about this case is that Hernandez fell in the NFL Draft over his character concerns, and that the Patriots deploy a security team that should be attempting to vet out these types of concerns, and these are valid questions to be asking of the Patriots (I am sure Kraft had some similar questions asking how this one slipped through the cracks). It isn't like the Patriots function like three-year-old kids after all, they are a significant sized, and hopefully somewhat sophisticated business enterprise.

I am not arguing that the Patriots should be held accountable, and that they should have known what was going to unfold with Hernandez, but surely they must have heard some internal "whispers", especially if other Patriots players were visiting the "flop house" that Hernandez established?

Perhaps they did have an inclination that there was some elevated degree of risk here, as they worded the new contract with language protecting them should something unforeseen happen, or perhaps that is pretty standard contract language for all NFL players?
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I'm sure they knew he was a scumbag. I work with a few scumbags of varying levels -- one guy is married with kids and serially cheats on his wife, another drives home stone drunk all the time, I'm pretty sure another uses hard drugs, etc. Until / unless it effects work performance, I'm pretty sure my company doesn't know, or care to know, or care too much what folks do in their time out of the office. The NFL is likely the same way, and serial murder is just so far out there that I don't see any way at all to reasonably predict it. I'm very sure that there are multiple players on every team, just like in almost every decent sized company, that many would label as scumbags or POS. They're everywhere.
 
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Faust said:
Perhaps they did have an inclination that there was some elevated degree of risk here, as they worded the new contract with language protecting them should something unforeseen happen, or perhaps that is pretty standard contract language for all NFL players?
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There's no specific language in the contract giving the Patriots any special protection here (based on what's been reported).

The Patriots' argument will be that Hernandez violated the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing that is a part of every contract. But it's not explicitly stated in every contract; it's just automatically implied. (What may have been explicitly stated in the contract is that Hernandez didn't know of any reason why he wouldn't be able to fulfill his duties under the contract. Whether the contract explicitly stated that or not is kind of immaterial, though, because that, too, is part of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing.)

The idea is that Hernandez signed the contract knowing that, as a triple-murderer, he may not be able to live up to his end of the bargain, what with having to be locked up and all. That is to say, he signed the contract in bad faith.

I think the Patriots have precedent on their side because if I remember correctly, the Falcons were able to recover (or at least get an award entitling them to recover) the portion of Michael Vick's signing bonus that hadn't yet been earned under a pretty similar theory. I'm just going from memory on that, though.

 
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General Tso said:
I think we are at the point where you can start referring to Aaron Hernandez as a serial killer. Incredible.

I'm seriously wondering how many other people he has killed. And how far back.
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Not including the person he allegedly shot in the face in a car (Pulp Fiction style?).

In some states more than one murder can bring the death penalty, don't know in this case. I think I read murdering a witness could make it a federal case, which could also bring the possibility of the death penalty.

 
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What I find interesting is that the double murder occurred in July of 2012. AH signed his big contract in August, just 1 month after this. If I remember correctly he was almost in tears with Kraft as he signed that contract.

Quite the actor.

 
General Tso said:
I think we are at the point where you can start referring to Aaron Hernandez as a serial killer. Incredible.

I'm seriously wondering how many other people he has killed. And how far back.
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Has there been an episode of Law and Order or CSI or whatever where the killer turned out to be an athlete who would unwind before road games by killing locals?

It'd be a great season 2 for True Detective. Imagine Brad Pitt saying "One dead in Houston last Friday. Another in Seattle killed the same way on Monday. Tampa on Thursday and then again in Kansas City on Saturday. I think the Yellow King is... Albert Pujols."

 
Maurile Tremblay said:
Faust said:
Perhaps they did have an inclination that there was some elevated degree of risk here, as they worded the new contract with language protecting them should something unforeseen happen, or perhaps that is pretty standard contract language for all NFL players?
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There's no specific language in the contract giving the Patriots any special protection here (based on what's been reported).

The Patriots' argument will be that Hernandez violated the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing that is a part of every contract. But it's not explicitly stated in every contract; it's just automatically implied. (What may have been explicitly stated in the contract is that Hernandez didn't know of any reason why he wouldn't be able to fulfill his duties under the contract. Whether the contract explicitly stated that or not is kind of immaterial, though, because that, too, is part of the implied covenant of good faith and fair dealing.)

The idea is that Hernandez signed the contract knowing that, as a triple-murderer, he may not be able to live up to his end of the bargain, what with having to be locked up and all. That is to say, he signed the contract in bad faith.

I think the Patriots have precedent on their side because if I remember correctly, the Falcons were able to recover (or at least get an award entitling them to recover) the portion of Michael Vick's signing bonus that hadn't yet been earned under a pretty similar theory. I'm just going from memory on that, though.
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Does the timing of it impact things? That is, if he was not charged with the double murder until after the 2013 season, would that defeat the team's claim as it was then the later murder that prevented his meeting the 2013 terms. I don't know the timing of charges, so hypothetical question if need be.

 
Aaron Hernandez's NFL entry: What did scouts know back then?By Albert Breer

NFL Media reporter

Published: Feb. 19, 2014 at 01:04 p.m.

Updated: Feb. 24, 2014 at 04:51 a.m.

It's been nearly four years since I wrote, for the Boston Globe, that a number of positive drug tests led to Aaron Hernandez's precipitous fall in the 2010 NFL Draft.

This isn't revisionist history. Personnel directors and execs said then, in the days immediately after that draft, that the Florida tight end likely would've been a low first- or high second-round pick otherwise.

But there were whispers at the time, too, that Hernandez was caught up in more serious things. The word "gang" was bandied about in conversation. Since team officials I talked to at the time said it never really went past the rumor stage, we decided, in print, to stay away from it. What was obvious was this was a guy, with drugs and otherwise, who had a way of getting himself into and then out of trouble.

So with the Patriots mum when it came to what they knew about Hernandez, either in 2010 or '13, and as I worked through my takeout piece on how college prospects are vetted by teams, an obvious question arose. And it's the same one I sought to answer early that May:

What, exactly, did clubs know?

"They couldn't pin a lot of stuff on him (at Florida)," said one AFC college scouting director, whose team had Hernandez off the board. "But people at the school would tell you, 'Every time there's an issue, he's around it.' If there was trouble, Hernandez's name would come up. ... He was a con guy. Very believable. Spoke well. A lot of things inside of you hoped you'd turn him around, but people that I talked to said they didn't trust him, that he'd burn you."

Those who were at Florida, working under Urban Meyer, confirm that much: Hernandez had a way of beating the system. Said one ex-Gator staffer, "He was really intelligent, and that's why he was such a pain in the ###. He knew how to beat the system on everything."

Hernandez has been in jail since June 26. He is facing a first-degree murder charge, as well as five gun charges, and also is being investigated in connection to a July 2012 double homicide in Boston. So yes, the system would seem to have caught up with him.

And by now, NFL teams have looked at how Hernandez got from Point A to Point B as they attempt to refine how they review and reject prospects based on off-field problems. It's a challenge, to be sure.

Meyer and his coaches privately told some clubs that, to be managed, it was crucial that Hernandez be surrounded by the right people. At Florida, the staff did its best to dissuade him from going home over breaks in the school calendar because of the element waiting in Connecticut, and even got nervous on game weekends, when that crowd typically would migrate south to Gainesville and roll with Hernandez.

The Gator coaches aligned Hernandez with Mike and Maurkice Pouncey, whom Hernandez roomed with off campus. The three grew close, and the staff generally considered the Pounceys a positive influence. (Since then, Mike has been named in Ted Wells' report as one of the players who contributed to the harassment of Dolphins teammate Jonathan Martin.) Meyer also had Tim Tebow rooming with Hernandez for road games, in the hopes that being around the 2007 Heisman Trophy winner would show the standout tight end the right way to do things.

"The year before he came out, I was at their pro day, and I remember seeing the Pounceys, and then him," said a second AFC college director, whose club had Hernandez on the board, but not draftable where he went (No. 113 overall, in the fourth round). "It was very clear that (the Pounceys) were the leaders, that they were the influential guys, and he was behind them, a tagalong, a follower in that sense. He was always following them. And they were trying to bring him along."

An NFC personnel executive added, "He was very, very immature. Urban did him right by having him follow Tebow -- and he was such a follower. He could go in any direction. And everyone knew that if you didn't keep an eye on him, he was an easy guy to persuade to do the wrong thing."

The failed drug tests (Florida contends it was only one failed test) were, of course, central to the problem -- and it wasn't really the pot. At the college level, players are put in position to pass drug tests; thus, pro clubs look at multiple positives as a sign that an athlete either a) doesn't care or b) has a problem.

So Hernandez's ability to stay in line was automatically in question.

Just the same, and even with details remaining shadowy, questions lingered about that crowd around Hernandez and how its presence played into his mental health. The background several clubs gathered had Hernandez gravitating toward an unsavory element within his family after his father's death in 2006, which would wind up forming the baseline of the group that the Florida coaches, and later NFL teams, were so concerned about.

The tough part was, in football settings, he was mostly OK, showing only flashes of instability.

"He was considered a cool guy to be around," said an NFC personnel director whose club had Hernandez off the board. "But around the program, he was the one guy everyone knew not to mess with. They knew he'd fight. He had a temper. I don't think anyone would've predicted what's going on now. He was one of those where it was hard to determine whether to take him off the board. You didn't say, 'He's a murderer.' My feeling is, most people had him off their boards because of the (drug) tests."

And that's where some of the divide was: The question of whether someone who made you want to believe he was a good guy was actually a bad guy, or simply a college kid needing to grow up.

The second AFC college director said that one pre-draft meeting his club had with Hernandez got "emotional," with the prospective pick trying to convince the club that he wasn't the con man some portrayed him to be. In the process, he did more damage to his stock, making the officials in the room question if he was worth the trouble.

"He admitted to smoking, and basically that was the environment he was brought up in, how comfortable he was with smoking," said the personnel man. "It was the emotional state of this kid, the highs and lows, the overall stability that got you. You're not saying, 'OK, this guy may be a murderer.' It was just, 'He's not mentally ready.' "

In the same vein, the college director said what worried his club was what would happen once Hernandez left the Gainesville cocoon: "Urban's getting beat up, but Urban does have rules. I know the coaches. They stayed on him. Mickey Marotti and Charlie Strong and Greg Mattison, they were anchors. They weren't letting him get away."

As for the questions about gang affiliation, the rumors, again, were there. But according to these evaluators, that is hardly uncommon. Plenty of players who grow up in gang-ridden areas enter the draft every year, and it certainly can be challenging for scouts to separate a player who is tangentially connected from those who are truly involved.

In that sense, geography wound up contributing to the Patriots' issue. That year, prevailing opinion was that Dallas was the one place that Texas native Dez Bryant, also known for being impressionable and having questionable hangers-on, couldn't be drafted to. He, of course, landed there. The Cowboys have been proactive in monitoring and policing him, and it's worked out so far. Similarly, the Patriots provided Hernandez, through proximity, access to his past in Bristol, Conn. And obviously, that one went the other way.

"Geographically, the kid couldn't be closer to his hometown and his roots and his background," said an AFC personnel executive. "He couldn't have come to an NFL team closer to home. I thought about the prosecutor in the court room, and guys he needed to get up there, and you think about how he was always just a phone call away from bringing that element back. He can't make that call if he's playing for Denver or Arizona or Seattle."

Add all the contributing factors up -- the drugs, the questionable characters around him, the need to be monitored and the geography -- and it's easy, in hindsight, to assemble the equation and say the sum result is logical.

But scan the landscape and a different picture pops up. Those in Gainesville concede Hernandez wasn't even the worst problem on those Gator teams. Scores of players come into the draft each year with checkered pasts to sort through. A few are so good that their issues can be perceived as providing an opportunity to buy low with potential for an enormous return, which is essentially what the Patriots did.

"There are three to six guys in the first few rounds every year that have a chance to go one way or the other," said the NFC personnel executive. "(In 2012), it was Janoris Jenkins. And he had a good (rookie) year. But Hernandez was pretty good at the start, too."

The information available back then is instructive to look back at now, without question.

But this much is just as apparent, four years later: If you're looking for concrete answers on what a prospect will become, the draft process is rarely the place to find them.

After all, if you'd told me, after writing that story in 2010, how this would all turn out, I'd be right there with everyone else: shocked that all this was possible.

Follow Albert Breer on Twitter @AlbertBreer.
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Greg Russell said:
Does the timing of it impact things? That is, if he was not charged with the double murder until after the 2013 season, would that defeat the team's claim as it was then the later murder that prevented his meeting the 2013 terms. I don't know the timing of charges, so hypothetical question if need be.
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I think the team would have a strong claim either way. The player engaged in criminal activity that prevents him from fulfilling his contractual duties to the team. If the criminal activity occurred before signing the contract, he arguably signed the contract in bad faith. If the criminal activity occurred after signing the contract, he's arguably in breach.

If you sign a contract to play football, you need to be available to play football. If you can't play because you're injured, that's part of the risk that the team took. (Even if it's a non-football injury, you won't be paid while you're out [unless the team feels like it], but the team won't be able to recover your signing bonus. Accidents happen.) But if you can't play because you went on a killing spree, that's not part of the risk that the team signed up for. In that case, they've got a strong argument that you're in breach, IMO.

 
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How is this thread not bumped with his arraignment today? They have Hernandez' own friend who was in the car during the murders from the sound of it.

Ex-Patriots TE Aaron Hernandez pleaded not guilty to seven charges at his Wednesday arraignment on two counts of first-degree murder.

The arraignment took place in Suffolk Superior Court. Hernandez is charged with the shooting deaths of Daniel de Abreu and Safiro Furtado in 2012. This is separate from Hernandez's first-degree murder charge for allegedly causing the death of Odin Lloyd in 2013. From everything we've read, the evidence in both cases is pretty overwhelmingly in the prosecution's favor.
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Heard on the radio the double murder stemmed from one of the victims spilling a drink on Hernandez and smiling or smirking after.

If the Lloyd murder was part of covering up the double murder, that would make three people dead over a spilled drink. Unreal.

 
So no one, not a single person, in this guys entire life to this point, had a clue that he was this mentally unstable? Nobody? Ever?

 
DaveL said:
fantasycurse42 said:
What is the evidence in this double murder case? It can't be as solid as the evidence from the Lloyd case.
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Apparently...they have the witness, the murder weapon, the car, and the motive
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The witness is someone who was in the car with Hernandez from the descriptive things the witness told the prosecution. The person had to be in the car even though the Prosecution would not say.

Who else would Hernandez of told "I think I got one in the head and one in the chest?"

 
Phenix said:
DaveL said:
fantasycurse42 said:
What is the evidence in this double murder case? It can't be as solid as the evidence from the Lloyd case.
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Apparently...they have the witness, the murder weapon, the car, and the motive
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The witness is someone who was in the car with Hernandez from the descriptive things the witness told the prosecution. The person had to be in the car even though the Prosecution would not say.

Who else would Hernandez of told "I think I got one in the head and one in the chest?"
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so is that the guy Hernandez is being sued by for shooting him in FLA? (in the eye if i recall)

 
Greg Russell said:
Heard on the radio the double murder stemmed from one of the victims spilling a drink on Hernandez and smiling or smirking after.

If the Lloyd murder was part of covering up the double murder, that would make three people dead over a spilled drink. Unreal.
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In fairness to AH, it was more about the disrespect in smiling about it than spilling the drink.

 
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