Hernandez convicted of first-degree murder; found deceased in his cell. (2 Viewers)

[Bad_Mo]

He's guilty

Wow...did you hurt your ankle on that one?

 

[Bad_Mo]

He's guilty

Are we in N. Korea now?

New York...same diff.

 

[donkshow]

And did they "drop him off"' and then decide to park the car a mile away from Aaron's house and walk the rest of the way?

So much that is not verifiable at this point, though there is one report of a witness seeing AH and 2 men return to the home of AH. This same witness saw AH, the Lloyd and 2 others leave a bar together a bit earlier. That's quite a bit of seeing for this one witness.

Sounds like an episode of a cheesy detective show like CSI.

 

[Bad_Mo]

Odin is a sweet name.

Unless its used like..."damn, I odin some money and now he's looking to collect."

 

[Bad_Mo]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Jimmy Graham for Hernandez and his associates straight up.

Aaron may be able to fly under the gang radar in New Orleans.

 

[mikel0254]

was ray lewis suspended? not trying to be a #####....well maybe a little.

A year IIRC? AH is certainly done in Foxboro. His best case scenario is he avoids serious jail time by some fancy lawyering, but certainly he's not playing in 2013 potentially 2014. Some team will give him a call though. He's very young, 23 I think. That's part of the problem.

What a shame. A waste of so many lives.

I am pretty sure his best case scenario is that he didnt kill someone and he is fine.

It doesn't matter if he was the guy who pulled the trigger. If he was in the car and at the scene he and the other non-trigger man are both guilty of murder. He's done. Sorry. I'm a huge Pats fan and loved AH as a player, but it's over. If he had an alibi, we'd have heard it by now. Like I said - and i'll qualify it for the pedants - his most likely best case scenario is going to be some kind of plea via some Ray Lewis style lawyer magic.

Why exactly would we have heard ANYTHING about an alibi by now?? It's be 2 days, not even. Did he even talk to the police yet?? And if he did, the captain probably doesnt call rotoworld immediately afterwards to provide fantasy updates.

If he had a strong alibi, you better believe his agents/PR people would have already leaked that to the press. This is a nightmare for his agent/PR guys.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

 

[mikel0254]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

 

[Sabertooth]

Wow, I thought this was all schtick. Is he really looking like a guilty party here? I haven't followed the story. Can somebody bulletpoint where it actually is at this point?

 

[cstu]

It is not looking good for New England Patriots tight end Aaron Hernandez.

As we documented earlier today (and yesterday), Aaron Hernandez, while not “officially” a suspect (yet) has been uncooperative with police who searched his home for two plus hours last night and authorities reportedly found a gun at the crime scene where a man was found dead. That man was reportedly dating the sister of Hernandez’s girlfriend.

Police initially were investigating an SUV that Hernandez had apparently rented but later today were looking for a Chrysler 300 and now according to a report say the New England Patriots tight end was at the murder scene, driving one of the two vehicles in question and the murder is potentially “drug related”.

Per Sports Illustrated’s Pete Thamel:

Fox 25 also reports the murder is “drug related, specifically marijuana.”
Ted Daniel of Fox25 has more information:

LAW SOURCE: Aaron Hernandez was driver of a vehicle Odin LLoyd and 2 others in. Lloyd found dead one mile from Hernandez home
2 LAW SOURCES: Homicide victim Odin Lloyd sent text to a friend that included a reference to Aaron Hernandez.
LAW SOURCE: 4 men together in vehicle. Only 3 return to Aaron Hernandez’s home. Odin Lloyd NOT one of them.
https://twitter.com/search?q=#fox25&src=hash#
https://twitter.com/search?q=#fox25&src=hashfox25
https://twitter.com/search?q=#fox25&src=hash
LAW SOURCE: Forensic evidence places vehicle “driven by” Aaron Hernandez at “crime scene”. Don’t know what scene that is.
Hernandez is at home tonight. Police are reportedly reviewing his home security system recordings.

 

[Rhythmdoctor]

People dont murder over marijuana. Hell, its basically legal these days.

 

[Norman Paperman]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

 

[doombringer]

Odin was the "black dude" with Ahern when he shot the dude's face in florida. Odin was gonna talk. Hernandez is a gangster and had to cover his tracks. Career over.

 

[Frank Black]

My criminal law experience as a criminal defense attorney and later for the state tells me that we need to know a lot more facts. I suppose it's fun for people to speculate but the reality of the courtroom is a lot different. Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion one way or the other right now about whether he's guilty.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light. One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

 

[Banger]

They shoot him in Hernandez's car and dump the body. They disappear the car to hide the evidence. AHern rents another vehicle.

was thinking the same thing...maybe sent car somewhere to be detailed or had it burned/destroyed. Why would his regular car be missing with no report to police and why rent a car. Maybe in ordinary life no a huge deal but when your implicated in a murder, victim was last seen with you in a car, etc....raises a lot of red flags.

 

[cstu]

Based on what has been reported, Hernandez is looking at an accessory to murder charge for not reporting the shooting to the police and attempting to cover it up. I think he's going to have a hard time proving he's innocent of that and he's looking at up to 7 years in prison:

Section 4. Whoever, after the commission of a felony, harbors, conceals, maintains or assists the principal felon or accessory before the fact, or gives such offender any other aid, knowing that he has committed a felony or has been accessory thereto before the fact, with intent that he shall avoid or escape detention, arrest, trial or punishment, shall be an accessory after the fact, and, except as otherwise provided, be punished by imprisonment in the state prison for not more than seven years or in jail for not more than two and one half years or by a fine of not more than one thousand dollars.

https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartIV/TitleI/Chapter274/Section4

 

[JaxBill]

They shoot him in Hernandez's car and dump the body. They disappear the car to hide the evidence. AHern rents another vehicle.

was thinking the same thing...maybe sent car somewhere to be detailed or had it burned/destroyed. Why would his regular car be missing with no report to police and why rent a car. Maybe in ordinary life no a huge deal but when your implicated in a murder, victim was last seen with you in a car, etc....raises a lot of red flags.

Yeah but why not drive the rental car back to your house? No crime has been committed in it.

 

[jurb26]

My criminal law experience as a criminal defense attorney and later for the state tells me that we need to know a lot more facts. I suppose it's fun for people to speculate but the reality of the courtroom is a lot different. Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion one way or the other right now about whether he's guilty.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light. One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

Good perspective here, thanks.

At the very least I see this as a distraction that hurts AH on the field and perhaps in the eyes on NE coaches/management. At worst, well we already know.... He never plays again. Either way he is downgraded pretty heavily at this point IMO.

 

[Leroy's Aces]

My criminal law experience as a criminal defense attorney and later for the state tells me that we need to know a lot more facts. I suppose it's fun for people to speculate but the reality of the courtroom is a lot different. Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion one way or the other right now about whether he's guilty.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light. One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

Good point. Having said that, people in dynasty leagues need to be able to speculate. Not trying to make light of the situation, but I wouldn't pay more than a future third for him right now.

 

[Chicago Hooligan]

One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

Important legal update from guy with avatar of engorged nipples.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

And no one calls the police.

And they hide the car they were driving.

And they don't give police any information to help them catch their friend's killer.

 

[KCitons]

My criminal law experience as a criminal defense attorney and later for the state tells me that we need to know a lot more facts. I suppose it's fun for people to speculate but the reality of the courtroom is a lot different. Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion one way or the other right now about whether he's guilty.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light. One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

Can't wait for the courts. Season starts in 2 months.

 

[Norman Paperman]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

And no one calls the police.

And they hide the car they were driving.

And they don't give police any information to help them catch their friend's killer.

They were buying drugs with a high profile NFL player, of course they don't tell anyone anything.

 

[massraider]

People dont murder over marijuana.

Do people still murder over money?

 

[bigmarc27]

I don't know a lot of things but I did watch the Wire. That said, "snitches get stitches."

 

[Max Power]

My criminal law experience as a criminal defense attorney and later for the state tells me that we need to know a lot more facts. I suppose it's fun for people to speculate but the reality of the courtroom is a lot different. Based on what I've read so far, I have no opinion one way or the other right now about whether he's guilty.

It will be interesting to see what facts come to light. One thing I've learned over the years from observation and from a few of my own cases is that often, you will not learn some of the most important facts from the media.

Good point. Having said that, people in dynasty leagues need to be able to speculate. Not trying to make light of the situation, but I wouldn't pay more than a future third for him right now.

I would take a future third for him. I get a bad feeling about his current legal issues and just dont trust this guy anymore. He is young enough that someone should be willing to take the chance. That someone just isnt me. Its a dead roster spot in the near term.

 

[Dinsy Ejotuz]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

And no one calls the police.

And they hide the car they were driving.

And they don't give police any information to help them catch their friend's killer.

They were buying drugs with a high profile NFL player, of course they don't tell anyone anything.

I hope you warmed up before you started stretching so aggressively.

 

[Fantasy Fool]

It's not looking good for Hernandez at this point. Posting the Fox News Boston link below again for those who didn't catch it earlier in the thread.

http://www.myfoxboston.com/story/22638740/2013/06/19/investigation-involving-pats-te-hernandez-ruled-a-homicide

 

[Dr. Octopus]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

They decide its better to get out of the car and run a mile home?

 

[Banger]

People dont murder over marijuana. Hell, its basically legal these days.

yes, generally not over an ounce or something like that but if he's somehow money man behind a distribution operation where you are moving big $'s around it doesn't matter whether it's pot, coke, pills, etc.

 

[matttyl]

Not sure if these questions belong in this thread or a brand new one - but (assuming the worst here and Hernandez is done with the Pats/found guilty/whatever) - what's the fallout?

Specially, can the Pats simply cut a guy who's in jail without salary cap issues? They just signed him to a bid deal last year, if cut would all of that signing bonus be against the cap this year?! Also, and again assuming Gronk is back healthy (pun intended), how will Hernandez' absence affect him?

 

[Sinn Fein]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

They decide its better to get out of the car and run a mile home?

As opposed to driving the bloody car back to your house? Yeah, I could see someone leaving the car where it was and later claiming the victim took the car on his own.

 

[Yenrub]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

AH – “the other guys held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me too if I didn’t drive, I was in fear for my life"

 

[KellysHeroes]

Sesame Street already has an ep ready http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioWiHHYeV8o

 

[dickey moe]

A lot of late night radio focused on this story and while you never want to rush to judgement, things are not looking good. Just the information coming out about the incident in Feb down in Miami, apparently guy is int he car with Hernandez, "something" happens and a gun is fired, guy loses his eye, we don't know all the facts but certainly that should have been the shake up moment for him but instead it would appear the reverse happened and Hernandez is feeling like he can do anything he wants. Even if he was just in the car with the other three people and eventually one of them ends up dead and the body is dumped in a ravine, this all sounds pretty awful and if charges are brought they likely will be against all three including Hernandez.

You hate to rush to any conclusions but it's not that far fetched to think that we might have seen the last of Hernandez in an NFL uniform and at the least he is looking at a big zero for 2013, no way he would be allowed to take the field with these charges pending.

I have no dog in this fight, but what are these "charges" pending against Hernandez?

 

[Anarchy99]

I believe if the Pats cut him, they eat whatever cap ramifications are caused by that. However, they might be able to get some cap and roster relief if the league suspends him for a lengthy timespan (like they can put him on a suspended list). But until NE officially is told they can't play him, they are stuck with his contract.

 

[Max Power]

Guys are out partying, leave the bar to score some pot, deal goes bad, dude gets shot, everyone else hightails it home.

They decide its better to get out of the car and run a mile home?

As opposed to driving the bloody car back to your house? Yeah, I could see someone leaving the car where it was and later claiming the victim took the car on his own.

Did they ever say he was shot inside a car?

 

[3nOut]

And did they "drop him off"' and then decide to park the car a mile away from Aaron's house and walk the rest of the way?

So much that is not verifiable at this point, though there is one report of a witness seeing AH and 2 men return to the home of AH. This same witness saw AH, the Lloyd and 2 others leave a bar together a bit earlier. That's quite a bit of seeing for this one witness.

1. The same witness? What? was the wtiness stalking them?

2. Did the witness say HOW they returned home? Since they abandoned the car, did they return on foot?

 

[Banger]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

AH – “the other guys held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me too if I didn’t drive, I was in fear for my life"

and then I went back to my house with them....and then I didn't tell the cops because I was scared...and then when the cops came to me I refused to talk and told them to speak with my lawyer because I was still scared to say something...

 

[cstu]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

AH – “the other guys held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me too if I didn’t drive, I was in fear for my life"

That would be the smart move but unfortunately I think he's too much of a gangster to do it.

 

[Banger]

And did they "drop him off"' and then decide to park the car a mile away from Aaron's house and walk the rest of the way?

So much that is not verifiable at this point, though there is one report of a witness seeing AH and 2 men return to the home of AH. This same witness saw AH, the Lloyd and 2 others leave a bar together a bit earlier. That's quite a bit of seeing for this one witness.

1. The same witness? What? was the wtiness stalking them?

2. Did the witness say HOW they returned home? Since they abandoned the car, did they return on foot?

sounds like survelliance footage is playing a role here as on police reports they mentioned that maybe 2 or 3 surveillance systems involved...so maybe they were spotted leaving bar on a system and apparently Hernandez had a system at his house and maybe they saw him on his system....apparently they said he had a pretty sophisticated home surveillance system.

 

[KCitons]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

AH – “the other guys held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me too if I didn’t drive, I was in fear for my life"

and then I went back to my house with them....and then I didn't tell the cops because I was scared...and then when the cops came to me I refused to talk and told them to speak with my lawyer because I was still scared to say something...

And then

In third grade, I cheated on my history exam. In fourth grade, I stole my uncle Max’s toupee and I glued it on my face when I was Moses in my Hebrew School play. In fifth grade, I knocked my sister Edie down the stairs and I blamed it on the dog…When my mom sent me to the summer camp for fat kids and then they served lunch I went nuts and I pigged out and they kicked me out…But the worst thing I ever done — I mixed a pot of fake puke at home and then I went to this movie theater, hid the puke in my jacket, climbed up to the balcony and then, then, I made a noise like this: hua-hua-hua-huaaaaaaa — and then I dumped it over the side, all over the people in the audience. And then, this was horrible, all the people started getting sick and throwing up all over each other. I never felt so bad in my entire life.

 

[3nOut]

[sarcasm]On another concerning note, why was Hernandez even driving when going out on the town? Why can't NFL players learn to use the free designated limo service offered by the NFL?[/sarcasm]

 

[mikel0254]

People dont murder over marijuana. Hell, its basically legal these days.

Wrong. Just happened here in a very affluent suburb here in Chicago, no more than 2 or 3 weeks ago. Guys buying pot got in the back seat, shot the dealer in the head and dumped the body in a different suburb not too far away. 17 & 20 year olds.

Not to mention it happened every couple days in the city

 

[ghostguy123]

Ugh, done in by his own security system?

I wonder if since this witness seems to have seen everything, if its one of the guys that is rolling over on everyone. Who knows.

I know this, this is wayyyyyy way car away from hernandez being cut. Like, wouldn't even be this year if it hapoened kinda thing.

And did they "drop him off"' and then decide to park the car a mile away from Aaron's house and walk the rest of the way?

So much that is not verifiable at this point, though there is one report of a witness seeing AH and 2 men return to the home of AH. This same witness saw AH, the Lloyd and 2 others leave a bar together a bit earlier. That's quite a bit of seeing for this one witness.

1. The same witness? What? was the wtiness stalking them? 2. Did the witness say HOW they returned home? Since they abandoned the car, did they return on foot?

sounds like survelliance footage is playing a role here as on police reports they mentioned that maybe 2 or 3 surveillance systems involved...so maybe they were spotted leaving bar on a system and apparently Hernandez had a system at his house and maybe they saw him on his system....apparently they said he had a pretty sophisticated home surveillance system.

 

[pantagrapher]

What I want to know is if the gun recovered can be connected to the eyeball shooting. That would be some ####.

 

[ghostguy123]

People dont murder over marijuana. Hell, its basically legal these days.

Wrong. Just happened here in a very affluent suburb here in Chicago, no more than 2 or 3 weeks ago. Guys buying pot got in the back seat, shot the dealer in the head and dumped the body in a different suburb not too far away. 17 & 20 year olds.Not to mention it happened every couple days in the city

People murder over 50 dollar shoes. People murder over bumping into someone. People are stupid.

 

[mikel0254]

I can't see him ever suiting up or the Pats again

Totally agree.

Based on recent news of him being the driver, I don't see any way that he is not at least an accessory to commit murder if not being the actual person who did it. And with three (surviving) people involved, you can rest assured that one of them will talk.

Exactly.

Being the driver is the key issue I see. He's in control of the situation and therefore, more responsible for what happens before and after the murder.

AH – “the other guys held a gun to my head and threatened to kill me too if I didn’t drive, I was in fear for my life"

That would be the smart move but unfortunately I think he's too much of a gangster to do it.

Certainly could play out like that. It always seems like the celebrity's friends take the heat when they get in trouble. Could definitely see that happening here.

 

[3nOut]

Just my .02.

Best case scenario: 6 game suspension

Worst case scenario: 30 - Life

 

[The_Man]

Here are my thoughts on this from someone who followed the Ray Lewis saga closely as a Ravens fan (and civil libertarian).

There is no such thing as being "uncooperative" with police. All Americans have rights, and the smart ones will take advantage of them while being investigated for a crime that could cost them their freedom and their wealth. If you want to search his house, tell them to get a warrant. That's your right, not a lack of cooperation. If they want to talk to you, have your lawyer present. That's your right.

The police have already handled this situation far better than the Atlanta police did. It remains a joke that they hung two counts of murder on Lewis the morning after the crime happened, and their rush to bag a big name ended up costing them a conviction on Lewis's companions. It also probably cost them a conviction on Lewis for accessory after the fact. The Massachusetts cops are wisely taking their time and actually figuring out what happened (as much as possible) before filing charges.

It seems to me that the longer they take before filing charges, the more flexibility they have to get someone to flip. There are 3 living people who were in that car. If only one of them did the shooting, then the police/DA can hold out the carrot of a reduced charge and lightened sentence to whoever didn't pull the trigger. Unfortunately for Hernandez, even if he didn't pull the trigger, he has so much to lose by taking such a deal - some jail time, huge fine, suspension, etc.

I hope for Hernandez' sake, he's not involved - like maybe he got out of the car at home, and then this stuff happened afterward.