What's new
Fantasy Football - Footballguys Forums

This is a sample guest message. Register a free account today to become a member! Once signed in, you'll be able to participate on this site by adding your own topics and posts, as well as connect with other members through your own private inbox!

High School Football Violence - Now with racism and cheating (1 Viewer)

Criminal charges

  • Should be filed

    Votes: 36 48.0%

  • Should not be filed

    Votes: 39 52.0%
  • Total voters
    75
Hmmm...did not look as bad as i thought it would. Kid that swung the helmet should be expelled and never allowed to play sports again. I dont know that he should go to jail.

 
Last edited by a moderator:
How does this kid not get kicked out of the game? What does one have to do in order to be tossed?

 
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.

 
Fat Nick said:
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.
Click to expand...
He ripped his helmet off and intentionally hit him on the head with hit. Split the kids forehead open and he needed almost a dozen stitches.

A lot of things happen in the heat of the moment, that might make them a little worse, but the outcome is the same and the punishment should be similar. I voted against charges, but for a permanent removal from the team and I'm torn between a long suspension or expulsion from school. They need to set the standard that this behavior is not accepted and when you are a participant, the hammer comes down.

 
sbonomo said:
Hmmm...did not look as bad as i thought it would. Kid that swung the helmet should be expelled and never allowed to play sports again. I dont know that he should go to jail.
Click to expand...
fantasycurse42 said:
I voted against charges, but for a permanent removal from the team and I'm torn between a long suspension or expulsion from school. They need to set the standard that this behavior is not accepted and when you are a participant, the hammer comes down.
Click to expand...
I wouldn't expel him from school, but he should never play sports in HS again. Suspend him from school for weeks,

no criminal charges, mostly because he's a kid.

 
Amazing self control by the guy who got whacked.

I wonder whether there is backstory here.

The perpetrator needs more schooling and more discipline, not less. I would not expel him from school or suspend him, I would require he perform useful public service, in addition to his normal school work, to graduate. Something difficult, but with a learning component. I would not throw him off the team. I would keep him on the team but with an indefinite prohibition against playing. If the kid demonstrated remorse and character, and on his own, without it being suggested or mandated he made amends to the kid he whacked, well then I would consider letting him play after a few games.

Maybe sports could be used here to build character.

 
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Amazing self control by the guy who got whacked.

I wonder whether there is backstory here.

The perpetrator needs more schooling and more discipline, not less. I would not expel him from school or suspend him, I would require he perform useful public service, in addition to his normal school work, to graduate. Something difficult, but with a learning component. I would not throw him off the team. I would keep him on the team but with an indefinite prohibition against playing. If the kid demonstrated remorse and character, and on his own, without it being suggested or mandated he made amends to the kid he whacked, well then I would consider letting him play after a few games.

Maybe sports could be used here to build character.
Click to expand...
Amen to the bolded part about the kid who got whacked. Very impressive. And as someone said, clearly a tough SOB...he didn't even flinch. Just popped up and pleaded his case to the ref.

DW's comment here made me really wonder if there has been any comment on if the kid has demonstrated remorse or character through all of this. Has he even made a statement? I think everybody makes mistakes, even very good people...it's how you handle yourself after you make them that really reveals a lot about your character.

 
Fat Nick said:
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Amazing self control by the guy who got whacked.

I wonder whether there is backstory here.

The perpetrator needs more schooling and more discipline, not less. I would not expel him from school or suspend him, I would require he perform useful public service, in addition to his normal school work, to graduate. Something difficult, but with a learning component. I would not throw him off the team. I would keep him on the team but with an indefinite prohibition against playing. If the kid demonstrated remorse and character, and on his own, without it being suggested or mandated he made amends to the kid he whacked, well then I would consider letting him play after a few games.

Maybe sports could be used here to build character.
Click to expand...
Amen to the bolded part about the kid who got whacked. Very impressive. And as someone said, clearly a tough SOB...he didn't even flinch. Just popped up and pleaded his case to the ref.

DW's comment here made me really wonder if there has been any comment on if the kid has demonstrated remorse or character through all of this. Has he even made a statement? I think everybody makes mistakes, even very good people...it's how you handle yourself after you make them that really reveals a lot about your character.
Click to expand...
mycentraljersey.com reported that he stated on his instagram or facebook page (i dont remember which), that it wasn't intentional - That is the opposite of remorse to me. #### this kid if that is true. By 16-17 you need to be the owner of your actions.

 
I voted banned from the team and charges filed. Don't think he should be expelled, just suspended the same for fighting at school.

The problem with trying to give him another chance is that he was lucky he only caused the kid to get stitches, hit someone wrong with something like a helmet and you could cause some serious/permanent damage. Heat of the moment or not, should be severe punishment for basically assault with a deadly weapon. Not seeing how this would be any different than swinging a bat at someone's head but not connecting well.

 
Fat Nick said:
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.
Click to expand...
I amazed at the number of people that support the 'impulse thing' in threads like this. A crime is a crime is a crime. If you don't stop to think about it I think it actually makes it much worse because your first reaction is brutal violence. Lock the kid up the way you would lock up a kid that hit another kid with a helmet in the parking lot for no reason.

 
killface said:
Fat Nick said:
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.
Click to expand...
I amazed at the number of people that support the 'impulse thing' in threads like this. A crime is a crime is a crime. If you don't stop to think about it I think it actually makes it much worse because your first reaction is brutal violence. Lock the kid up the way you would lock up a kid that hit another kid with a helmet in the parking lot for no reason.
Click to expand...
the difference is kids are developing their impulse control. There's a well founded precedent of premeditation being worse, legally.

The kid needs discipline and to learn not to do stupid #### like this. Jail isn't the answer, unless there's more that we don't know such as a record / history of these types of actions.

 
fantasycurse42 said:
Fat Nick said:
Ditkaless Wonders said:
Amazing self control by the guy who got whacked.

I wonder whether there is backstory here.

The perpetrator needs more schooling and more discipline, not less. I would not expel him from school or suspend him, I would require he perform useful public service, in addition to his normal school work, to graduate. Something difficult, but with a learning component. I would not throw him off the team. I would keep him on the team but with an indefinite prohibition against playing. If the kid demonstrated remorse and character, and on his own, without it being suggested or mandated he made amends to the kid he whacked, well then I would consider letting him play after a few games.

Maybe sports could be used here to build character.
Click to expand...
Amen to the bolded part about the kid who got whacked. Very impressive. And as someone said, clearly a tough SOB...he didn't even flinch. Just popped up and pleaded his case to the ref.

DW's comment here made me really wonder if there has been any comment on if the kid has demonstrated remorse or character through all of this. Has he even made a statement? I think everybody makes mistakes, even very good people...it's how you handle yourself after you make them that really reveals a lot about your character.
Click to expand...
mycentraljersey.com reported that he stated on his instagram or facebook page (i dont remember which), that it wasn't intentional - That is the opposite of remorse to me. #### this kid if that is true. By 16-17 you need to be the owner of your actions.
Click to expand...
Assuming true, his lack of remorse is huge. #### his parents while we're at it.

 
killface said:
Fat Nick said:
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.
Click to expand...
I amazed at the number of people that support the 'impulse thing' in threads like this. A crime is a crime is a crime. If you don't stop to think about it I think it actually makes it much worse because your first reaction is brutal violence. Lock the kid up the way you would lock up a kid that hit another kid with a helmet in the parking lot for no reason.
Click to expand...
I think part of the challenge here is that there are a lot of things that are legal on a sports field that aren't legal off it. I'm not saying what he did was justified, but saying that you should lock him up for an action on the field just like you would someone off the field is being short sighted to things that go on in sports. Under this logic, would you recommend locking up a hockey player who got into a fight? It's illegal off the ice, why not on the ice?

I don't have a clue what this kid's deal is. He may be a bad apple who will end up having issues down the road...or he may be a kid who is playing a physical contact sport, and would never hit a random kid in the parking lot with a helmet. There has to be some consideration given to this happening on an athletic field when criminal charges are concerned. You cannot simply make blanket statements that you treat offenses the same way on the field as you do off.

 
IF he's been a model student/football player......booted from the team for the year. Whatever suspension he would get for fighting in school. Apology to the kid he hit.

 
killface said:
Fat Nick said:
I watched the clip a few times. It's bad...but it's not like he stopped and thought about it. It was intentional, but it wasn't like Albert Haynesworth stomping Andre Gurode...where he stopped, looked at Gurode, and made the conscious, calculated decision to stomp him. I think this kid was in the heat of the play.

I voted that he should get a long suspension from the team...at least 1 full season, but not permanent suspension. I think he should also get a suspension from school. No way do you file charges for that.

Again, I'm not trying to belittle what he did, but it was all so fluid that I think it's just an impulse thing. If he ripped his helmet off, looked at him on the ground, then made a decision to swing, I'd look at it a lot differently.
Click to expand...
I amazed at the number of people that support the 'impulse thing' in threads like this. A crime is a crime is a crime. If you don't stop to think about it I think it actually makes it much worse because your first reaction is brutal violence. Lock the kid up the way you would lock up a kid that hit another kid with a helmet in the parking lot for no reason.
Click to expand...
You willing to charge half the NFL (and I'm assuming college and even high school players) with assault when they grab nuts/gouge eyes/ etc. etc. in the middle of a scrum?

 
Last edited by a moderator:
Sticker on the kid's helmet, IMO. Anyone crying for him to be suspended is contributing to the ####ification of America.

 
:lmao:

suspension?

:lmao:

I was expecting to see the kid rip the helmet off and start beating on the other guy. That video failed to live up to the hype.

 
Sinn Fein said:
:lmao:

suspension?

:lmao:

I was expecting to see the kid rip the helmet off and start beating on the other guy. That video failed to live up to the hype.
Click to expand...
Perhaps you missed the part where he has 10 stitches in his forehead and a concussion :shrug:

Nothing says awesome like a scar on your face and a concussion.

 
Obama already tweeted out to the suspended kid.

"Cool tackle Fritz. Want to bring it to the white house? We should inspire more kids like you to assault other kids, it's what makes America great. #istandbloodiedwithFritz"

 
Gamma1210 said:
fantasycurse42 said:
Gamma1210 said:
coyote5 said:
Has the kid claimed the OL called him a ###### yet?
Click to expand...
Winner. http://www.nj.com/union/index.ssf/2015/09/linden_football_player_claim_opponent_cheated_used.html#incart_sms_app
Click to expand...
:lmao: Never fails...

Earlier he said it wasn't intentional.
Click to expand...
It's both now. And also he's a cheater.
Click to expand...
:lmao:

Hopefully they can get a gofundme account setup so they can solicit some donations for the trauma this young man is suffering.

 
comfortably numb said:
Obama already tweeted out to the suspended kid.

"Cool tackle Fritz. Want to bring it to the white house? We should inspire more kids like you to assault other kids, it's what makes America great. #istandbloodiedwithFritz"
Click to expand...
:lmao: Oh man, classic. On account of the mooslim kid, right?
 
So...Then there's THIS. Guy wasn't on the field, but was on the football team and fighting a teammate.

Guy got charged with attempted murder. I can't find the full unedited video, but I don't know how you stand by and watch that...

 
You must log in or register to reply here.

Similar threads

GregR
Greg's Useless Trivia #50 - 100 questions (75 greatest hits, 25 new)
Replies
19
Views
3K
GregR
GregR
(HULK)
Dave Berry's Year in Review
Replies
2
Views
1K
Joe Summer
J
Mark Wimer
Injury Recap, All 32 teams Offensive Skill positions
2 3
Replies
100
Views
15K
DenverBlitz
D

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 1 (members: 0, guests: 1)
Back
Top