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Home A/V or Automation: Sonos vs Control4 (1 Viewer)

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We are moving to a new house in a month or two, and I am in charge of the A/V in the house. We just installed a Control4 in our house in Utah, and are very happy. One of our friends said Sonos changed his life--can anyone here speak to the differences between Sonos and Control4?

 
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Chet,

Did you end up doing this Control4 sounds really good based on what I've read, but there are a few other options apparently too: HAI, which is more "do it yourself" and at a lower price point, and I think one called CQC?

There's also this "X10" stuff I've seen around, but I think that's old technology that runs over the cooper phone lines in the house (i.e., sounds like a hassle/junky).

Curious to hear what you've done.

Also, I'm seeing some OUTRAGEOUS price quotes online for installation of Control4. Like 100k ridiculous. I was hoping that for 5 or 10 grand I could install some basic controls for the major lighting in my home, door locks, and feed into my ADT security system. There's got to be a cheaper way.

 
Actually, the more I read about this, the more I think it's what I'm looking for. They have a great forum too.Basically all DIY. The thermostat is only 100 bucks. You can get door lucks, lamp modules, interface to security systems, etc. And I see that there are LCD wall unit packages you can get for $799 -- why the hell would I do that when I can get an iPad with a slicker interface for less. (they have iPhone/iPad apps).

Pretty geeked out about this.

 
There was a review from CNET of the CES and they mention HomeSeer in it and say very good things. It's very much the kind of thing you can do yourself. The guys on the forums there dork out about it big time. If you're a tinkerer and computer nerd guy, this seems like a good option. I may roll with it. :nerd:

I'm surprised this stuff isn't more "mainstream." Seems like such an awesome convenience.

 
My A/V guy should be meeting me this week to discuss. When I built my house I prewired everything for automation. :popcorn:
Details?
My entire house is hardwired with cat6 ethernet cable. I have one closet where all the wiring "meets" - alarm, cable, ethernet, router, etc so all I have to do is place the modem/wifi/whatever home automation hardware i have in that closet and I should be good to go after installing the software.There might be some things I'm forgetting b/c we did this a few months ago, but when I meet with the guy to go over everything, I'll add more to the thread.
 
My wife is going to love you guys tonight when I get home and tell her my next project. :thumbup:
:thumbup: I'm launching into this full bore immediately after we close on the new house. This board has a ton of good info.

Basically going with one of the HomeSeer controllers instead of using a dedicated PC (more reliable, lower power consumption, no problems with restarts after the power goes out, no updating windows etc.). The pro version they offer includes the necessary support/drivers to access this stuff from their iPhone app. Also need a Z-wave controller, and then a bunch of Z-wave devices (door locks on the front and back doors; light switches, lamp modules, interface to the home sprinkler system, to the ADT security system, thermostats, etc.). There are about a million things you can do with this. Voice control anyone? "Jarvis, close the garage door please." :nerd:

 
On the wireless stuff I would make sure there is something more than just a unique home ID to secure it. If that signal isn't encrypted I would feel really uncomfortable using it lock and unlock my house.

 
My wife is going to love you guys tonight when I get home and tell her my next project. :thumbup:
:thumbup: I'm launching into this full bore immediately after we close on the new house. This board has a ton of good info.

Basically going with one of the HomeSeer controllers instead of using a dedicated PC (more reliable, lower power consumption, no problems with restarts after the power goes out, no updating windows etc.). The pro version they offer includes the necessary support/drivers to access this stuff from their iPhone app. Also need a Z-wave controller, and then a bunch of Z-wave devices (door locks on the front and back doors; light switches, lamp modules, interface to the home sprinkler system, to the ADT security system, thermostats, etc.). There are about a million things you can do with this. Voice control anyone? "Jarvis, close the garage door please." :nerd:
So I ordered one of the HomeSeer controllers and a few appliance/lamp control modules to test it out. So far so good. I've got it operating in my apartment. I don't have much space or equipment yet, bet set up two lamps on either end of the apartment. Have them set up to turn on automatically a half hour before sunset and off 3 hours later. Can also turn them on/off and monitor them from my laptop. Also can do it from my iPhone with the plugin. It's not a super cheap venture to leap into (whole thing so far cost me about 1200 bucks), but once all is said and done, it will be pretty cool. Once we move into our house in a month or two, plann to start building it out by putting all lights on the home automation system, front door and rear door locks, control the in-ground sprinkler system (which can even be programmed to trigger based on the weather/need), the thermostat, include motion sensors and even a couple security cameras. Eventually may include control of the home theater system, streaming music throughout the house, and a dedicated iPad for control of all these functions. It will be a pretty nice setup once I'm through. The folks on this board are super into it. Some guys have it set up so that it tracks the location of their iPhone and when they get within a couple miles from home, it turns on the lights and warms out the heat (or turns on AC). Pretty sweet. And all of this can be controlled remotely from the internet or our iPhones. The options are limitless. And for a few thousand dollars I can do this myself and set up a system that would cost tens of thousands done professionally...

Next step in my apartment experiment is the netcam and motion sensor I bought...

 
On the wireless stuff I would make sure there is something more than just a unique home ID to secure it. If that signal isn't encrypted I would feel really uncomfortable using it lock and unlock my house.
The locks are on the Zwave network but, yes, are encrypted.
 
Oh and if you want to be a total dork, all of this can be voice controlled/voice response. I guess you'd have to set up microphones and speakers in each room. But you can customize it all to do stuff like "Jarvis, turn on the kitchen lights." :nerd:

 
Well, for music, I'm not sure how anything could beat Sonos. The remote is a bit larger than I'd like, but you can use a itouch as an interface as well. I've had a system for about three years and haven't had any issues. The connection has been flawless.

 
My A/V guy should be meeting me this week to discuss. When I built my house I prewired everything for automation. :popcorn:
Details?
My entire house is hardwired with cat6 ethernet cable. I have one closet where all the wiring "meets" - alarm, cable, ethernet, router, etc so all I have to do is place the modem/wifi/whatever home automation hardware i have in that closet and I should be good to go after installing the software.There might be some things I'm forgetting b/c we did this a few months ago, but when I meet with the guy to go over everything, I'll add more to the thread.
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.

 
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
I'll update as I go GB. My take on the HomeSeer system so far is that it's a favorite among hobbyists/enthusiasts. Basically gadget nerds. But they're very into it, very smart, and the boards there are a good resource. They'll help you through just about anything as far as I can tell. I've been doing a ton of reading over there -- I'm a computer guy and tinkerer myself, so I find these kinds of projects to be pretty interesting, but I'm learning a ton. I'll let you know how it goes.I just know there will be a time when someone is locked out or we need to open the door remotely for a neighbor or relative to check on something, and this will all end up well worth it based on that one use alone.
 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.
Control4 is supposedly decent, but I don't think it's a do-it-yourself type thing -- I think these are more for professional installers, and it can be crazy expensive (just from browsing random forums on the web, I saw quotes of 50k and 100k -- insane).
 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.
Control4 is supposedly decent, but I don't think it's a do-it-yourself type thing -- I think these are more for professional installers, and it can be crazy expensive (just from browsing random forums on the web, I saw quotes of 50k and 100k -- insane).
Definitely not DIY. Shoot the lock off your wallet--you're a partner now, son.

 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.
Control4 is supposedly decent, but I don't think it's a do-it-yourself type thing -- I think these are more for professional installers, and it can be crazy expensive (just from browsing random forums on the web, I saw quotes of 50k and 100k -- insane).
Definitely not DIY. Shoot the lock off your wallet--you're a partner now, son.
We law firm partners here in NYC are bottomdwellers compared to you IBankers.
 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.
Control4 is supposedly decent, but I don't think it's a do-it-yourself type thing -- I think these are more for professional installers, and it can be crazy expensive (just from browsing random forums on the web, I saw quotes of 50k and 100k -- insane).
Definitely not DIY. Shoot the lock off your wallet--you're a partner now, son.
We law firm partners here in NYC are bottomdwellers compared to you IBankers.
Come on--you forgot about the accountants.

Ever run into David Pritikin of Sidley Austin? Bio

 
Control4 is awesome. We've put it in two houses in the last 6 months and are very happy. Distributed audio and video, light switches, thermostats etc can all be controlled remotely--a C4 rc, iPhone, iPad etc. Very user friendly and inexpensive vs. some of the other systems.
Control4 is supposedly decent, but I don't think it's a do-it-yourself type thing -- I think these are more for professional installers, and it can be crazy expensive (just from browsing random forums on the web, I saw quotes of 50k and 100k -- insane).
Definitely not DIY. Shoot the lock off your wallet--you're a partner now, son.
We law firm partners here in NYC are bottomdwellers compared to you IBankers.
Come on--you forgot about the accountants.

Ever run into David Pritikin of Sidley Austin? Bio
I haven't, but looks like he's a patent guy too -- and a heavy hitter at that, based on his bio. Buddy of yours?
 
I haven't, but looks like he's a patent guy too -- and a heavy hitter at that, based on his bio. Buddy of yours?
Actually, quite the opposite. We've gone against him a couple of times. One is complete, and the other is in process.

Markman ruling expected any day.

 
I haven't, but looks like he's a patent guy too -- and a heavy hitter at that, based on his bio. Buddy of yours?
Actually, quite the opposite. We've gone against him a couple of times. One is complete, and the other is in process.

Markman ruling expected any day.
And you're not hiring me why again? Otis is a menace in the courtroom -- I've crushed every Markman I've argued. And I'm younger and cheaper and more bloodthirsty than the white hairs I'm usually pitted against. Release the Kraken!

 
I haven't, but looks like he's a patent guy too -- and a heavy hitter at that, based on his bio. Buddy of yours?
Actually, quite the opposite. We've gone against him a couple of times. One is complete, and the other is in process.

Markman ruling expected any day.
And you're not hiring me why again? Otis is a menace in the courtroom -- I've crushed every Markman I've argued. And I'm younger and cheaper and more bloodthirsty than the white hairs I'm usually pitted against. Release the Kraken!
This is our guy.

He's not cheap, but he does crush it.

 
I haven't, but looks like he's a patent guy too -- and a heavy hitter at that, based on his bio. Buddy of yours?
Actually, quite the opposite. We've gone against him a couple of times. One is complete, and the other is in process.

Markman ruling expected any day.
And you're not hiring me why again? Otis is a menace in the courtroom -- I've crushed every Markman I've argued. And I'm younger and cheaper and more bloodthirsty than the white hairs I'm usually pitted against. Release the Kraken!
This is our guy.

He's not cheap, but he does crush it.
:hot: :rant:
 
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
I'll update as I go GB. My take on the HomeSeer system so far is that it's a favorite among hobbyists/enthusiasts. Basically gadget nerds. But they're very into it, very smart, and the boards there are a good resource. They'll help you through just about anything as far as I can tell. I've been doing a ton of reading over there -- I'm a computer guy and tinkerer myself, so I find these kinds of projects to be pretty interesting, but I'm learning a ton. I'll let you know how it goes.I just know there will be a time when someone is locked out or we need to open the door remotely for a neighbor or relative to check on something, and this will all end up well worth it based on that one use alone.
Have been tooling around with this some more. Added a camera to the apartment (no :pics: and no :stalker: ) along with a motion sensor/temp sensor/light sensor.Now I have a couple of lights that come on just around sunset and turn off a few hours later (usual bedtime) automatically. Also have a nightlight outside of our bedroom triggered by motion -- but it only triggers at night (based on the luminance reading from the light sensor). Also today I finished my first shot at a custom screen accessible from our iphones -- that single screen shows the status of all these items, lets you control the three lamps, and shows repeatedly refreshing screenshots from the cam. We can access this screen anywhere via the iPhone app. It works very well so far.I'll really need to wait until we move to add a thermostat to the system, along with control of our in-ground sprinklers and controllable doorlocks. Another thing I plan to do is add an IR controller that goes on our Wifi network which I'll be able to use to control all the TV and stereo equipment.
 
Quick videophile question and this thread seemed like the right place: If I have my TV in the front of the room but all the components are in a closet in the back of the room, how do I work the remote?

 
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
I'll update as I go GB. My take on the HomeSeer system so far is that it's a favorite among hobbyists/enthusiasts. Basically gadget nerds. But they're very into it, very smart, and the boards there are a good resource. They'll help you through just about anything as far as I can tell. I've been doing a ton of reading over there -- I'm a computer guy and tinkerer myself, so I find these kinds of projects to be pretty interesting, but I'm learning a ton. I'll let you know how it goes.I just know there will be a time when someone is locked out or we need to open the door remotely for a neighbor or relative to check on something, and this will all end up well worth it based on that one use alone.
Have been tooling around with this some more. Added a camera to the apartment (no :pics: and no :stalker: ) along with a motion sensor/temp sensor/light sensor.Now I have a couple of lights that come on just around sunset and turn off a few hours later (usual bedtime) automatically. Also have a nightlight outside of our bedroom triggered by motion -- but it only triggers at night (based on the luminance reading from the light sensor). Also today I finished my first shot at a custom screen accessible from our iphones -- that single screen shows the status of all these items, lets you control the three lamps, and shows repeatedly refreshing screenshots from the cam. We can access this screen anywhere via the iPhone app. It works very well so far.I'll really need to wait until we move to add a thermostat to the system, along with control of our in-ground sprinklers and controllable doorlocks. Another thing I plan to do is add an IR controller that goes on our Wifi network which I'll be able to use to control all the TV and stereo equipment.
Don't your in ground sprinklers have automatic timers anyway?
 
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
I'll update as I go GB. My take on the HomeSeer system so far is that it's a favorite among hobbyists/enthusiasts. Basically gadget nerds. But they're very into it, very smart, and the boards there are a good resource. They'll help you through just about anything as far as I can tell. I've been doing a ton of reading over there -- I'm a computer guy and tinkerer myself, so I find these kinds of projects to be pretty interesting, but I'm learning a ton. I'll let you know how it goes.I just know there will be a time when someone is locked out or we need to open the door remotely for a neighbor or relative to check on something, and this will all end up well worth it based on that one use alone.
Have been tooling around with this some more. Added a camera to the apartment (no :pics: and no :stalker: ) along with a motion sensor/temp sensor/light sensor.Now I have a couple of lights that come on just around sunset and turn off a few hours later (usual bedtime) automatically. Also have a nightlight outside of our bedroom triggered by motion -- but it only triggers at night (based on the luminance reading from the light sensor). Also today I finished my first shot at a custom screen accessible from our iphones -- that single screen shows the status of all these items, lets you control the three lamps, and shows repeatedly refreshing screenshots from the cam. We can access this screen anywhere via the iPhone app. It works very well so far.I'll really need to wait until we move to add a thermostat to the system, along with control of our in-ground sprinklers and controllable doorlocks. Another thing I plan to do is add an IR controller that goes on our Wifi network which I'll be able to use to control all the TV and stereo equipment.
Don't your in ground sprinklers have automatic timers anyway?
Probably (I don't know yet, we haven't moved into the house) but it would be nice to have full control over them. Beyond that, some people set the based on local weather -- i.e., if it just rained last night, they don't run that day as scheduled. These home automation systems save a lot of water and energy costs with little tricks like that.
 
So confirmed that all I need to do is decide what system I want to go with.....but I'm postponing b/c this isn't a big priority right now. Very interested in Otis' last post and his experience with his purchase...will be following this thread
I'll update as I go GB. My take on the HomeSeer system so far is that it's a favorite among hobbyists/enthusiasts. Basically gadget nerds. But they're very into it, very smart, and the boards there are a good resource. They'll help you through just about anything as far as I can tell. I've been doing a ton of reading over there -- I'm a computer guy and tinkerer myself, so I find these kinds of projects to be pretty interesting, but I'm learning a ton. I'll let you know how it goes.I just know there will be a time when someone is locked out or we need to open the door remotely for a neighbor or relative to check on something, and this will all end up well worth it based on that one use alone.
Have been tooling around with this some more. Added a camera to the apartment (no :pics: and no :stalker: ) along with a motion sensor/temp sensor/light sensor.Now I have a couple of lights that come on just around sunset and turn off a few hours later (usual bedtime) automatically. Also have a nightlight outside of our bedroom triggered by motion -- but it only triggers at night (based on the luminance reading from the light sensor). Also today I finished my first shot at a custom screen accessible from our iphones -- that single screen shows the status of all these items, lets you control the three lamps, and shows repeatedly refreshing screenshots from the cam. We can access this screen anywhere via the iPhone app. It works very well so far.I'll really need to wait until we move to add a thermostat to the system, along with control of our in-ground sprinklers and controllable doorlocks. Another thing I plan to do is add an IR controller that goes on our Wifi network which I'll be able to use to control all the TV and stereo equipment.
Don't your in ground sprinklers have automatic timers anyway?
Probably (I don't know yet, we haven't moved into the house) but it would be nice to have full control over them. Beyond that, some people set the based on local weather -- i.e., if it just rained last night, they don't run that day as scheduled. These home automation systems save a lot of water and energy costs with little tricks like that.
Gotcha - FWIW, the sprinkler system I have has rain/wind sensors so the system doesn't run if they detect a certain amount of water in the ground and/or wind that will render the sprinkling useless.So what you think your final cost will be all in?
 
Getting a bid for control 4 from an installer this week. I mainly want to distribute audio to 6-8 zones; looked at sonos and seems to be about the same price as a basic control 4 (I already have speakers in most zones). Anyone have any updates on what they use?

 
Have done a ton with the home automation network over the past year.

-Nearly all the downstairs lights, basement lights, and outside lights are on the network. Can all be controlled wirelessly -- primarily from our iPhones, though I also access from our Macbooks and we have a front entry wall switch that will trigger various scenes (e.g., Bedtime, which turns off all the lights and locks the doors).

-The basement lights are triggered by motion sensors -- never need to turn them on or off.

-Front and back door locks are on the system. We can control from our phones, or otherwise just enter our PIN codes from the keypad (so much better never having to worry about housekeys).

-Both our thermostats are on the network; controlled wirelessly, set on timers and based on various events (sunrise/sunset, someone coming or going, etc.)

-Motion sensors throughout the house -- I set up custom displays on our iPhones for the whole system. It's basically a floor plan of our house, and you can control lights by touching the icons, lock/unlock the door, and even see if there is motion in a given room. The motion thing is great for when you wake up in the middle of the night to some noise, just scoop up your phone to see if anyone is downstairs.

-I have all the battery operated devices being monitored, so that when the battery levels get low, it sends us a reminder e-mail to replace the batteries in the given device.

- Flood sensor in the basement in the one area where we had water during a big rainstorm. Likewise sends us an e-mail if it is tripped, in case we are away, so we know we are flooding.

- Hacked into our garage door opener, included a relay to open/close it, and a sensor that indicates whether it's opened or closed.

I'm mostly done with the basics and then some. The other things I plan to add include:

- potentially wiring the system into our ADT alarm system, which we haven't used (but it's installed, and all the hardware is there, so I could hook it up to our automation network and integrate alarm functions if we want to)

- OR include some basic alarm functions, like if there is motion in the house downstairs at night, triggering a light or beep in our bedroom

- wiring into the in-ground sprinklers, so that we can control all of that from the system as well (right now it's on a timer in the basement, but it's easy enough to add this to our system instead, and then you can control by all sorts of things -- i.e., based on weather forecasts, humidity, etc.)

I'm sure I'll come up with other things to add down the road. All in all, it's a cool and convenient system. Lighting and thermostats basically all control themselves, based on time programs we have set up. I just press a button when we go to bed, all the lights shut down and doors deadbolt. And it's nice to be able to let people in remotely when we aren't there, or for those times you are already 20 miles for the house and sit there wondering whether you locked the door or not, etc.

The parts can be expensive, and it's a time-consuming hobby, but once it is all set up, it's great.

 

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