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'johnnycakes said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
I don't think the writers intend for us to have any suspicions about Saul. Of course, since this is from the writers of 24, that may be because they're planning to make Saul a bad guy.
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I think Saul, not al-Qaeda, released the vid of Brody after the explosion.
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I don't think Saul released it. But if he did, it's because he thinks Brody is guilty. It's not because Saul is a mole.
 
'Apple Jack said:
Does this Gordon character really think that this show appeals to a "more active viewer?" He sounds like a snake oil salesman more than a creative mind.
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Maybe it depends on what someone means by "appeals to a more active viewer", but I could see that.It's not a statement of quality, but it's certainly true that people seem to dissect and react to the show every week. Maybe it's spurred by negativity, but it's still a form of active viewership (for whatever the hell that term might mean). The only current shows that generate more discussion around here are Breaking Bad and The Walking Dead, I think, with Mad Men, Sons of Anarchy, and Boardwalk Empire on par or slightly ahead. I could see an issue with the word "appeal". Certainly, many of the "active" viewers don't find the show appealing, but they keep watching and expressing their opinion. It's hard to say, for sure, that the show doesn't "appeal" to the active viewers until they stop watching. Maybe that'll happen, but it hasn't yet. And maybe the "appeal" is the opportunity to watch and then rip the show afterwards, which still counts.
 
Could definetly be reading to much into it but Gansa said Carrie was the only one who knew Brody was guilty at the end of season 1 and the only one to know he's innocent at the end of season 2. Significant for those who think Brody is there for the long con.

Also Gansa intimated that season three could be set overseas and focus on the life of a case-worker (Carrie) abroad. And that season three will not be about an attack on U.S. soil.

 
'Daywalker said:
Could definetly be reading to much into it but Gansa said Carrie was the only one who knew Brody was guilty at the end of season 1 and the only one to know he's innocent at the end of season 2. Significant for those who think Brody is there for the long con.



Also Gansa intimated that season three could be set overseas and focus on the life of a case-worker (Carrie) abroad. And that season three will not be about an attack on U.S. soil.
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Then they should have either had Brody straight kill Carrie or vice versa. If the show isnt going to be about him on the run and Saul trying to catch him (which in real life would take about 30 minutes) then whats the point of what happened? Once again a show or network just saw the bottomline instead of realizing how strong a tv show could be if it just stuck with the storyline of beginning middle and end. So many shows (lost, Dexter, etc) get caught up in prolonging the series that it implodes itself.

 
'Maurile Tremblay said:
'johnnycakes said:
'Maurile Tremblay said:
I don't think the writers intend for us to have any suspicions about Saul. Of course, since this is from the writers of 24, that may be because they're planning to make Saul a bad guy.
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I think Saul, not al-Qaeda, released the vid of Brody after the explosion.
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I don't think Saul released it. But if he did, it's because he thinks Brody is guilty. It's not because Saul is a mole.
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I don't think Saul released this. Not sure when he would have had the time. Wasn't the video out before or at the time when they told Saul that it was Brody's car? I think it is implied that al-Qaeda (or whatever Nazir's network is) released it and not much to refute that. I can't remember everything about Saul but it wasn't helped with his failing of the polygraph. With Saul, it has always been touch and go. He has always done enough to make you think he isn't the mole, but not enough to rule him out. Heck, he wasn't at the VP's funeral. Coincidence? And the conversations with his wife were always weird and there was some shady stuff around Aileen and the diplomat blowing himself up.As a mole, I think he would be one that plays both sides and is around for the greater good. This is what Mandy said when asked about being the mole
‘It’s irrelevant to me. As an actor, I’d make the same choices if Saul was a bad guy or a good guy – both of those people believe that what they’re doing is for the greater good.’
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There seemed to be a couple leaks that occurred around him that seemed to help further his agenda but he kept everything at arm's length. Now I don't think this show will go this way b/c they seem to be making stuff up as they go along from their interviews and want to pretty much do opposite of 24 but they definitely have set things up for people to question Saul.
 
Id be stunned if brodie didnt have a big role in season 3. Otherwise, what was the point of that finale. Anyway, i loved the episode. Te show seems to be on the right track again after the midseason lull.

 
No chance Brodie was guilty this time of the bombing, too many indicators from this show that he was not aware of the bomb. First he didnt tell Carrie to go out she motioned to him to leave the funeral proceedings right before the explosion, so if he had set bomb he would have been outta there before then. Also the old video sent out was a clear indicator they were using him as a patsy since if he was in on it he would have made an updated video with recent references more than likely. I hate that the writers are playing dumb about maybe he was guilty this time, ambiguity is kind of a cop out when it comes to season finales to me.

I respect Vince Gilligan so much since... (Breaking Bad Spoiler Alert for those that havent watched it yet

At the end of the season where Jessie shot the other cook I think Gale was his name, the camera angle on the final shot was of the gun and didnt show the bullet actually hitting Gale. After many people speculated online that the bullet was fired but intentionally missed so that Jessie could have still saved Gale without murdering him he came online and stated that the choice for the camera angle was clearly not intended to create ambiguity and that Gale was dead. Big props to Vince since every other show loves to think they can toy with the audience by leaving important things ambiguous for an entire offseason to create speculation
 
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'biggamer3 said:
No chance Brodie was guilty this time of the bombing, too many indicators from this show that he was not aware of the bomb. First he didnt tell Carrie to go out she motioned to him to leave the funeral proceedings right before the explosion, so if he had set bomb he would have been outta there before then. Also the old video sent out was a clear indicator they were using him as a patsy since if he was in on it he would have made an updated video with recent references more than likely. I hate that the writers are playing dumb about maybe he was guilty this time, ambiguity is kind of a cop out when it comes to season finales to me.
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I don't think he is guilty but it wouldn't surprise me. He was obviously willing to die beforehand. Previously, the only reason he didn't pull the trigger was his children, which he had already resigned to losing to Mike anyways. If his children were that important, he wouldn't have run this time. Additionally, by the funeral, it seemed that Carrie was choosing work over him so he had nothing left to live for. Then when Carrie chose him, his reaction was a bit troublesome and then he brought up the van as if he was possibly regretting something. I don't think he did it but this show isn't like Breaking Bad in the sense that it is a spy thriller so the more people who are ruled out as bad guys, the less interesting the show is.
 
'sporthenry said:
'biggamer3 said:
No chance Brodie was guilty this time of the bombing, too many indicators from this show that he was not aware of the bomb. First he didnt tell Carrie to go out she motioned to him to leave the funeral proceedings right before the explosion, so if he had set bomb he would have been outta there before then. Also the old video sent out was a clear indicator they were using him as a patsy since if he was in on it he would have made an updated video with recent references more than likely. I hate that the writers are playing dumb about maybe he was guilty this time, ambiguity is kind of a cop out when it comes to season finales to me.
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I don't think he is guilty but it wouldn't surprise me. He was obviously willing to die beforehand. Previously, the only reason he didn't pull the trigger was his children, which he had already resigned to losing to Mike anyways. If his children were that important, he wouldn't have run this time. Additionally, by the funeral, it seemed that Carrie was choosing work over him so he had nothing left to live for. Then when Carrie chose him, his reaction was a bit troublesome and then he brought up the van as if he was possibly regretting something. I don't think he did it but this show isn't like Breaking Bad in the sense that it is a spy thriller so the more people who are ruled out as bad guys, the less interesting the show is.
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good stuff but if he was involved with abu nazir the whole time than so many things make no sense. First like i said before the old video used, second, if he was with the terrorist there was no need have the whole scene of him shouting into his phone and quivering after Nazir called him with Carrie bound up. He would have done the Walden killing no problem without having to use Carrie as the ignition
 
Finally watched it tonight.

Pretty much right on track with the rest of this season. Slow and sloppy.

I agree with whoever posted earlier about there being no chemistry between Brody and Carrie. Despite all they've been through and the monotonous heart-to-hearts I find their relationship stilted.

I will say that I was surprised at the car-bomb. But as more than a few people have pointed out here it was a huge plot hole using Brody's car like that.

 
'biggamer3 said:
'sporthenry said:
'biggamer3 said:
No chance Brodie was guilty this time of the bombing, too many indicators from this show that he was not aware of the bomb. First he didnt tell Carrie to go out she motioned to him to leave the funeral proceedings right before the explosion, so if he had set bomb he would have been outta there before then. Also the old video sent out was a clear indicator they were using him as a patsy since if he was in on it he would have made an updated video with recent references more than likely. I hate that the writers are playing dumb about maybe he was guilty this time, ambiguity is kind of a cop out when it comes to season finales to me.
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I don't think he is guilty but it wouldn't surprise me. He was obviously willing to die beforehand. Previously, the only reason he didn't pull the trigger was his children, which he had already resigned to losing to Mike anyways. If his children were that important, he wouldn't have run this time. Additionally, by the funeral, it seemed that Carrie was choosing work over him so he had nothing left to live for. Then when Carrie chose him, his reaction was a bit troublesome and then he brought up the van as if he was possibly regretting something. I don't think he did it but this show isn't like Breaking Bad in the sense that it is a spy thriller so the more people who are ruled out as bad guys, the less interesting the show is.
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good stuff but if he was involved with abu nazir the whole time than so many things make no sense. First like i said before the old video used, second, if he was with the terrorist there was no need have the whole scene of him shouting into his phone and quivering after Nazir called him with Carrie bound up. He would have done the Walden killing no problem without having to use Carrie as the ignition
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Well, I think someone linked an article earlier saying he was just doing that to keep up appearances for Carrie. If he willfully did it, then he would have lost any pull over Carrie and wouldn't have been able to pull this off. Additionally, perhaps the killing of Walden reinvigorated him to his commitment to the mission or like I alluded to, after this whole thing, he realized he was alone and it gave him meaning. I doubt he did it with the video, mainly b/c of his reaction to it. I doubt he would have redone a new video b/c that definitely would have blown his cover (although if he expected to die that may be irrelevant). Like I said, I doubt he did it, but they have left a few things open just like with Saul as the mole. But after listening to the writers, it seems they kinda make this up week by week and are at the whims of the viewer so in order to distance it from 24, they won't release a mole or they'll make it a random person.
 
Nasir made sure Brody was responsible for killing the VP. He held the suicide tape until after the bombing. He let Carrie go when he had no reason to do so because he knew she would shepherd Brody out of the country. He used Brody's car for the bombing.

All of this was clearly orchestrated to turn Brody into the new "boogeyman" Nasir needed to continue his holy war. Nasir is the Emperor.

 
'Evilgrin 72 said:
Nasir made sure Brody was responsible for killing the VP. He held the suicide tape until after the bombing. He let Carrie go when he had no reason to do so because he knew she would shepherd Brody out of the country. He used Brody's car for the bombing.All of this was clearly orchestrated to turn Brody into the new "boogeyman" Nasir needed to continue his holy war. Nasir is the Emperor.
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'Good said:
A guy like Quinn doesn't seem like the type to have a crisis of conscience when his target is in his scope. You'd think he would've either committed one way or another before that point.
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I thought when we saw that Brody survived, we would see Quinn's dead body by the lake.
 
'pollardsvision said:
Sepinwall article on Gansa/Howard conference call.

They give their answers to a lot of the criticism.

Also express surprise that viewers keep thinking Saul's a terrorist because he recites a Jewish prayer over bodies.

"Look, these highly serialized dramas are a high-wire act, and occasionally on the wire, you're going to fall off," acknowledged "Homeland" executive producer Howard Gordon at the end of a long press conference call to discuss the Showtime drama's second season finale. "And if we did fall off this year now and then, I like to think we had a safety net under us, and that that net was our audience, who said they believed in us that we could get back up and cross to the other side. (What a completely convoluted metaphor!) But that was our hope for the finale: that people understood now why Nazir was doing what he was doing, why Brody was doing what he was doing, and what Carrie was thinking. We're very rigorous about that. Not to defend the show, but in our minds, we have answers to why everything happened. And hopefully we answered things a lot of the questions people had in the finale. And now we can start again in season 3 and begin the journey with everybody one more time."

Gordon and "Homeland" showrunner Alex Gansa didn't exactly spend the conference call defending the second season (I reviewed the finale here), but a lot of it was spent on discussing the various objections many critics and viewers had to different storytelling decisions, and whether they were either plausible or relevant to the world of "Homeland." And they said as much as they were capable of saying about plans for a third season, given that there have literally only been two meetings about it so far, and Gordon hasn't attended either one.

Among the plot questions fielded over the hour-long call:

* Carrie and Brody were able to get away quickly from CIA headquarters after the bombin because, per Gansa, "Chaos ensued after the explosion, and the first responders were not there to secure the perimeter. The intimation is that Brody and Carrie were able to slip out of the chaos."

* Though Brody is now the most infamous terrorist in the world, and already had a very recognizable face due to his public rescue from captivity and then his ascent to VP-in-waiting, Gansa suggested that he might be able to make a go of it as a fugitive because, for now, the world likely assumes he died in the explosion, and he has the benefit of all of Carrie's best, most trusted contacts to keep him safe and get him far away from Washington. (More on Brody's future role on the show — or lack thereof — in a bit.)

* The CIA wasn't monitoring Brody's phone at the time Abu Nazir called him with the demand to murder Vice-President Walden because they believed the operation was already done after they had arrested the rest of Nazir's American terror network, and, as Gansa says, "They had mistakenly stopped monitoring his movements and his phone."

* Despite Brody's crucial role as the patsy in the bombing (more on that, too, shortly), his contact Roya was willing to risk sending him to get the Gettysburg tailor earlier this season because, according to Gansa, "Roya had not assembled her network yet. She didn't have any operatives on the ground." Also, she believed the tailor would be too suspicious of anyone but Brody appearing at his door.

* Even though Brody was known to Saul, Estes, Quinn and others as a former terrorist who previously was part of a plot to assassinate Walden, and even though Brody was alone in the room with Walden when he died, no one suspected him of playing a role because, per Gansa, "There were no marks on Walden's body. This is a man who was known to have a bad heart. He died of natural causes of the heart attack. Short of yelling at Walden very loudly to panic him into a heart attack, there was no trace. That was one of the things that we thought in favor of the pacemaker story was that Brody was in the room with Walden, got to play a death scene with them, however, was completely innocent in the eyes of the world in his death... There was no need for an investigation."

And on the subject of other storytelling decisions that generated grumbling (or, at least, raised eyebrows) in different corners of the show's fandom:

* The show moved very quickly through various storylines that could have potentially gone on for much longer — Carrie trapped in civilian life, Carrie going after Brody again with CIA support, Carrie running Brody as an asset — because, Gansa said, with most of them, "The feeling was that it was old ground that we had covered in season 1." The goal was to get to the moment when Nazir and Walden were both dead, and where Carrie and Brody might be able to contemplate a happy ending with one another.

* Gordon said that the hit-and-run storyline involving Brody's daughter Dana and Walden's son Finn was "one of those where there was a deeper plan for it that morphed halfway through the season," though neither he nor Gansa could recall specific details of the original plan. That said, the goal was to damage the relationship between Brody and Dana, re-establish the amorality of Walden, and also give actress Morgan Saylor, whom the producers love, more to do.

And that motivation leads, in some ways, to the question of what, if anything, Brody's role might be in the show's immediate future.

Gansa wasn't willing to commit to the exact role — or lack thereof — Damian Lewis, Morena Baccarin and the other actors playing Brody's friends and family might have in the third season. He suggested several times that Brody could not appear in the third season at all, and then return at a later date.

"I do think," he said, "that there is value in the fact that he's still alive and still in the world somewhere, even if he doesn't make an appearance in season three. And I'm not saying that's necessarily going to happen. But the fact that he's still alive would mean something to Carrie."

But Gordon also acknowledged that any motivation they would have for keeping Lewis in the fold wouldn't come from the fact that he's the reigning Emmy winner for lead actor in a drama series.

"Obviously, you can't let the tail wag the dog," he said. "All the awards in the world won't give rise to a character or a story that's either run its course or had whatever shelf life it has. As Alex has said, we love this relationship, it's become one of the defining pillars of the show... Whenever the relationship is no longer the center of the show. I think as tempting as it is, and as afraid as we are, you can't let all the awards and acclaim — and Damian's brilliance — dictate the story in terms of where it needs to go."

The (very vague) plan for season 3 so far is to deal with the rebuilding of the CIA in the wake of Nazir's attack. For now, at least, Saul is the acting director, though that's a politically appointed position under normal circumstances. If they can work out a deal with actor F. Murray Abraham, they might bring Dar Adal out of retirement to help staff up the Agency — and provide conflict with Saul — but the goal in the short term will be to show Carrie and Saul dealing with this strange new world, and possibly going after a different kind of target.

"One thing we might not do again is have Carrie try to stop or witness another attack on America," Gansa said. "We might try a different propulsive trope."

And then, of course, there are the loyalty questions still being debated in many parts of the internet (including the comments for my finale review): Was Brody in on it? Is there still a mole? Could it be Saul?

Early in the call, Gansa acknowledged that "A lot of people have told me that they still have a glimmer of doubt about Brody, and if you watch his behavior in the finale, there are moments where it's a little uncertain about whether or not he was responsible," and he added that, "It's up for you guys to interpret, because I don't want to tell you what to think. But we deliberately left the door open for that possibility."

Later, a critic asked whether the show at some point has to play fair with us about Brody's motivations, and that if we can't believe what he tells Carrie in the finale about being Nazir's patsy, then why should we believe anything he says going forward?

"Frankly, I completely agree with you," Gansa replied, "but that doesn't mean there aren't people out there that still believe — still think there's that possibility. I just don't want to dissuade anybody from that. It's in Damian's performance. Both Carrie and Brody are damaged people, and I think that their behavior and allegiances may not be as transparent as somebody less damaged. That's the only takeaway. I agree with you. If you look back on the season, you would have to think hard to understand why he did certain things, if indeed, he was partially responsible for what happened."

Gordon added that they weren't suggesting there was intentional ambiguity with Brody's actions, but, "I think people were reading into that... We're playing fair with the audience, but we are astounded sometimes with what people read into it. Most notably Saul last year. He says the mourner's prayer over a suspect, which is just an act of humanity, and suddenly people said, 'He's the mole.'"

(Speaking of which, that happened again in this finale, where Saul again recites the Kaddish prayer, and because the Aramaic of the prayer sounds a lot like Arabic, some viewers who don't recognize the prayer as a Jewish one took this as evidence that Saul was secretly working for Nazir.)

Because of that — and because Gordon and Gansa used to work on "24," a show that took great advantage of the idea that almost anyone (except Jack and Chloe) could prove to be a mole at any time — I asked whether they were ever frustrated that their audience wouldn't take certain events at face value.

"I think the shows are viewed similarly and dissimilarly," said Gordon. "I think we've educated an audience with a vocabulary of paranoia. I think people become much more active viewers on a show like this. They're looking for behaviors and twists, and sometimes seeing things that aren't there. I think it's an advantage, that they're paying such close attention. I don't know that it's frustrating. It's more surprising than frustrating. I think on balance it's a good thing. It means people are engaging with what they're watching... But I think we're all stunned sometimes by the interpretation of meaning."

Some other subjects of note from the call:

* Again, plans for season 3 are extremely tentative, but when asked whether Peter Quinn would be a part of it, Gansa said, "Absolutely."

* Gansa said that some of Carrie's behavior this season was driven by being on a very measured course of Lithium, where last year she was self-medicating and trying to let her manic genius out, and "There is this idea that possibly her genius is dulled a little bit by maintaining this emotional equilibrium, which we're going to explore next season."

* The producers played no role in discussions among Showtime executives David Nevins, Matthew Blank and Les Moonves about whether or not to air the finale — which included mass casualties — only two days after the tragedy in Newton, CT. But both approved of the decision to run a disclaimer, and Gansa argued that they tried not to be exploitative of the violence by, for instance, making sure we only saw the bodies in bags or under sheets. "That's the real thing," he added, "and this is a television show."

* Gordon called the recent "Saturday Night Live" spoof "a double-edged sword," and acknowledged that "it's one of the highest cultural honors to be lampooned by 'SNL.'"

* Because of Fienberg's interest in the subject, I asked if Saul might ever sing on the show. Gansa said they're going to try to include a Mandy Patinkin musical performance (which he often does between takes) on the season 2 gag reel. When I asked if that was his way of saying that Saul would not be singing in character anytime soon, he said, "I don't know, but that's a good question."
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Nope. Not once. #WHEREDABOYATSTRING!???HUH!??WHERESWALLACE!??

 
Why would nasir hide if his whole plan was to get caught and killed so our guard would be down for the walden funeral? Why kill the guy carrie was with and almost kill her?

 
'bostonfred said:
Why would nasir hide if his whole plan was to get caught and killed so our guard would be down for the walden funeral? Why kill the guy carrie was with and almost kill her?
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The writers are spitballing as they go along. It must have sounded good to them late one night.
 
Nazir's plan is dependent upon Walden's death, not his own...He could have hoped to survive but held a willingness to die, knowing the wheels were turning

They are not mutually exclusive

 
'Tremendous Upside said:
Nazir's plan is dependent upon Walden's death, not his own...He could have hoped to survive but held a willingness to die, knowing the wheels were turningThey are not mutually exclusive
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I think it was dependent on Nazir's death. The idea was that his death would have the CIA letting their guard down at the Walden funeral.
 
'pollardsvision said:
'Tremendous Upside said:
Nazir's plan is dependent upon Walden's death, not his own...He could have hoped to survive but held a willingness to die, knowing the wheels were turningThey are not mutually exclusive
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I think it was dependent on Nazir's death. The idea was that his death would have the CIA letting their guard down at the Walden funeral.
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The only way to resolve the inconsistency is to maintain that it was the foiling of the attack on the soldier homecoming that caused them to let down their guard. If his death was required as part of the plot, then it would make no sense for him to hide and almost escape.
 
'Raider Nation said:
'biggamer3 said:
how was the president not at the VP's memorial? haha that is such a huge logical flaw
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Then they REALLY wouldn't have noticed Brody's SUV.
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They would have to pack five SUVs full of explosives to make that type of explosion (think USS Cole). Plus on something like that there are dogs everywhere, plus CIA has security postures in place that would probably identify that type of threat (think of the anti-theft devices they have at Best Buy so you don't walk out with a new Droid). But someone stole Brody's SUV in the parking lot, filled it up with 75,000 pounds of explosives and drove it up to the windowed atrium without anyone noticing anything at all. Thankfully CIA wouldn't have external cameras everywhere either, that wouldn't be logical. I guess we can assume that they had a service there because the VP used to be CIA director, but they wouldn't have had a bunch of families in attendance. Would have been a private ceremony, again CIA people don't work for the CIA they work for the Department of Agriculture or Housing and Urban Development. In this show kids, wives, guys at the bakery, street vendors and window washers know you work for the CIA and do domestic operations. This show is ####### hilarious, very good comedy. The only thing that really ####### irritates me though is the fact these mother####ers are always drinking Tim Horton's, even though there isn't one within 400 miles of Langley.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Raider Nation said:
'biggamer3 said:
how was the president not at the VP's memorial? haha that is such a huge logical flaw
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Then they REALLY wouldn't have noticed Brody's SUV.
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They would have to pack five SUVs full of explosives to make that type of explosion (think USS Cole). Plus on something like that there are dogs everywhere, plus CIA has security postures in place that would probably identify that type of threat (think of the anti-theft devices they have at Best Buy so you don't walk out with a new Droid). But someone stole Brody's SUV in the parking lot, filled it up with 75,000 pounds of explosives and drove it up to the windowed atrium without anyone noticing anything at all. Thankfully CIA wouldn't have external cameras everywhere either, that wouldn't be logical. I guess we can assume that they had a service there because the VP used to be CIA director, but they wouldn't have had a bunch of families in attendance. Would have been a private ceremony, again CIA people don't work for the CIA they work for the Department of Agriculture or Housing and Urban Development. In this show kids, wives, guys at the bakery, street vendors and window washers know you work for the CIA and do domestic operations. This show is ####### hilarious, very good comedy. The only thing that really ####### irritates me though is the fact these mother####ers are always drinking Tim Horton's, even though there isn't one within 400 miles of Langley.
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Oh, it's absolutely a comedy.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Raider Nation said:
'biggamer3 said:
how was the president not at the VP's memorial? haha that is such a huge logical flaw
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Then they REALLY wouldn't have noticed Brody's SUV.
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They would have to pack five SUVs full of explosives to make that type of explosion (think USS Cole). Plus on something like that there are dogs everywhere, plus CIA has security postures in place that would probably identify that type of threat (think of the anti-theft devices they have at Best Buy so you don't walk out with a new Droid). But someone stole Brody's SUV in the parking lot, filled it up with 75,000 pounds of explosives and drove it up to the windowed atrium without anyone noticing anything at all. Thankfully CIA wouldn't have external cameras everywhere either, that wouldn't be logical. I guess we can assume that they had a service there because the VP used to be CIA director, but they wouldn't have had a bunch of families in attendance. Would have been a private ceremony, again CIA people don't work for the CIA they work for the Department of Agriculture or Housing and Urban Development. In this show kids, wives, guys at the bakery, street vendors and window washers know you work for the CIA and do domestic operations.

This show is ####### hilarious, very good comedy. The only thing that really ####### irritates me though is the fact these mother####ers are always drinking Tim Horton's, even though there isn't one within 400 miles of Langley.
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Somebody is not happy with your hole-poking.
 
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Raider Nation said:
'biggamer3 said:
how was the president not at the VP's memorial? haha that is such a huge logical flaw
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Then they REALLY wouldn't have noticed Brody's SUV.
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They would have to pack five SUVs full of explosives to make that type of explosion (think USS Cole). Plus on something like that there are dogs everywhere, plus CIA has security postures in place that would probably identify that type of threat (think of the anti-theft devices they have at Best Buy so you don't walk out with a new Droid). But someone stole Brody's SUV in the parking lot, filled it up with 75,000 pounds of explosives and drove it up to the windowed atrium without anyone noticing anything at all. Thankfully CIA wouldn't have external cameras everywhere either, that wouldn't be logical. I guess we can assume that they had a service there because the VP used to be CIA director, but they wouldn't have had a bunch of families in attendance. Would have been a private ceremony, again CIA people don't work for the CIA they work for the Department of Agriculture or Housing and Urban Development. In this show kids, wives, guys at the bakery, street vendors and window washers know you work for the CIA and do domestic operations. This show is ####### hilarious, very good comedy. The only thing that really ####### irritates me though is the fact these mother####ers are always drinking Tim Horton's, even though there isn't one within 400 miles of Langley.
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They film it in Charlotte. I'm past the regional things, like when they're in DC and there are skyscrapers. I you can get past parks and buildings and terrain that look nothing like DC, you shouldn't have any trouble with Tim Hortons. Though, if they cared even a little bit about detail on the show, they could have gone with Dunkin Donuts, which are everywhere. But it's painfully clear that they don't care about detail.
 
'Apple Jack said:
'Doctor Detroit said:
'Raider Nation said:
'biggamer3 said:
how was the president not at the VP's memorial? haha that is such a huge logical flaw
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Then they REALLY wouldn't have noticed Brody's SUV.
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They would have to pack five SUVs full of explosives to make that type of explosion (think USS Cole). Plus on something like that there are dogs everywhere, plus CIA has security postures in place that would probably identify that type of threat (think of the anti-theft devices they have at Best Buy so you don't walk out with a new Droid). But someone stole Brody's SUV in the parking lot, filled it up with 75,000 pounds of explosives and drove it up to the windowed atrium without anyone noticing anything at all. Thankfully CIA wouldn't have external cameras everywhere either, that wouldn't be logical. I guess we can assume that they had a service there because the VP used to be CIA director, but they wouldn't have had a bunch of families in attendance. Would have been a private ceremony, again CIA people don't work for the CIA they work for the Department of Agriculture or Housing and Urban Development. In this show kids, wives, guys at the bakery, street vendors and window washers know you work for the CIA and do domestic operations.

This show is ####### hilarious, very good comedy. The only thing that really ####### irritates me though is the fact these mother####ers are always drinking Tim Horton's, even though there isn't one within 400 miles of Langley.
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They film it in Charlotte. I'm past the regional things, like when they're in DC and there are skyscrapers. I you can get past parks and buildings and terrain that look nothing like DC, you shouldn't have any trouble with Tim Hortons. Though, if they cared even a little bit about detail on the show, they could have gone with Dunkin Donuts, which are everywhere. But it's painfully clear that they don't care about detail.
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This is not really the point. I find 50 to 100 things wrong with this show per episode. It is so ridiculous that I don't care anymore, EXCEPT FOR the Tim Horton's which I can't get in Metro DC. Also there are no Tim Horton's in NC either, so now I'm ever more angry.
 
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Does this Gordon character really think that this show appeals to a "more active viewer?" He sounds like a snake oil salesman more than a creative mind.
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Compared to the Kardashians?IMO, this show is no different than 24 where you just go along for the ride rather than question everything. I watched season 2 after it was done and I liked it better than if I had been watching every week.
 
'cstu said:
'Apple Jack said:
Does this Gordon character really think that this show appeals to a "more active viewer?" He sounds like a snake oil salesman more than a creative mind.
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Compared to the Kardashians?IMO, this show is no different than 24 where you just go along for the ride rather than question everything. I watched season 2 after it was done and I liked it better than if I had been watching every week.
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I tend to think when you watch a show like 24 in a marathon style the absurdities mount up so quickly it takes away from the viewing.
 
Just finished season 1. Anyone know when season 2 comes out on DVD? I'm sure there are ways to watch it online, but I'll wait.

 
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