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Homeland (1 Viewer)

The extension of the Brody storyline after season 1 was dumb. Getting Carrie pregnant was stupid. Somehow continuing the storyline is just inane.

The CIA is in real trouble if people as mentally unstable as Carrie are running around trying to figure #### out.

 
Discussing the bathtub scene:

So, the bathtub scene. This has to be the darkest moment in the show’s history. And it’s all the more shocking because you led into it with this mundane montage of baby-care scenes. You feel like, “Maybe I can slip off to the bathroom real quick,” and then Carrie almost drowns her child.
It’s going to be a very controversial moment, I think. That scene, we spent five days in the editing room making that scene what it was. We tried to leave it in the mind of the audience—did she actually put that baby underwater or not? That’s left to the audience to decide. But it certainly is motivation for her to get out of the Untied States. She realizes she is a danger to her own child and cannot stay there.

The way it played to me was like the child was underwater.
It went through a lot of iterations. Where we left it is in the eye of the beholder. Did she just contemplate it? Is it all in her head? Nevertheless, it terrified her, and I think Carrie’s response where she yanks the baby out of the bath we realize how terrified she was.

Was Showtime nervous about it?
You know, I think we’re all nervous about it. We certainly don’t want anybody to turn off to Carrie. But frankly, from the research we’ve done, it’s not an uncommon thought for parents of newborns whose lives have been turned upside down to contemplate doing something terrible. And of course, it does actually happen too.

It’s a scene that does color our perception of her even though she didn’t go through with it because it’s such a horrifying potential act.
I think it shows the extremity of her state. She’s in an extreme place emotionally and cut off from her grief, and it’s causing her to behave in ways that are upsetting to her.
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/10/05/homeland-premiere-interview/

 
Billy Bats said:
Discussing the bathtub scene:

So, the bathtub scene. This has to be the darkest moment in the show’s history. And it’s all the more shocking because you led into it with this mundane montage of baby-care scenes. You feel like, “Maybe I can slip off to the bathroom real quick,” and then Carrie almost drowns her child.

It’s going to be a very controversial moment, I think. That scene, we spent five days in the editing room making that scene what it was. We tried to leave it in the mind of the audience—did she actually put that baby underwater or not? That’s left to the audience to decide. But it certainly is motivation for her to get out of the Untied States. She realizes she is a danger to her own child and cannot stay there.

The way it played to me was like the child was underwater.

It went through a lot of iterations. Where we left it is in the eye of the beholder. Did she just contemplate it? Is it all in her head? Nevertheless, it terrified her, and I think Carrie’s response where she yanks the baby out of the bath we realize how terrified she was.

Was Showtime nervous about it?

You know, I think we’re all nervous about it. We certainly don’t want anybody to turn off to Carrie. But frankly, from the research we’ve done, it’s not an uncommon thought for parents of newborns whose lives have been turned upside down to contemplate doing something terrible. And of course, it does actually happen too.

It’s a scene that does color our perception of her even though she didn’t go through with it because it’s such a horrifying potential act.

I think it shows the extremity of her state. She’s in an extreme place emotionally and cut off from her grief, and it’s causing her to behave in ways that are upsetting to her.
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http://insidetv.ew.com/2014/10/05/homeland-premiere-interview/
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I already did not like her character - she is simply not a likable person, nor do I have any empathy for her character. She brings about almost all of the trouble she finds herself in.

Honestly, I think the show would be a lot better if they just killed her off, and started fresh with someone new, who was not a complete ####-up.

 
So, if I am reading this thread right, she almost drowned her kid because of her continuing instability and we're supposed to keep watching? Yeah, that's a wrap for me. Jeebus.

 
Very troubling scene, interesting to hear them "leaving it up to the viewer" if she actually put the kid under water. Yeah ok, nice cop-out.

I'm not sure why the sister is so shocked that she wants no part of the kid, she told her and their father she was giving the baby up last season. Then the father demanded he would take care of the baby and he's nowhere to be found. Good job by him.

 
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I've only watched the first episode so far. This show is really missing something. This show could be great again.

The show needs more Dana.

 
About to get back into this. Can't remember what episode I left off with but I remember it was some Iranian dude at a rich guy's house. Also about the time Carrier was undercover for SAUL. Is it worth my time picking back up after the season 2 debacle?

 
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flapgreen said:
About to get back into this. Can't remember what episode I left off with but I remember it was some Iranian dude at a rich guy's house. Also about the time Carrier was undercover for SAUL. Is it worth my time picking back up after the season 2 debacle?
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No, in fact. S3 got even worse. And now apparently Carrie is debating whether or not to kill her baby.

 
Wtf. Worse?! Damn! I'm really close to trying to pick it back up too. Can't remember what season I left off but I think it was early Season 3

 
flapgreen said:
Wtf. Worse?! Damn! I'm really close to trying to pick it back up too. Can't remember what season I left off but I think it was early Season 3
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I would stick with it. In the middle of season 3, Carrie goes undercover as the bearded lady at a circus. She has sex with a band of midgets.

 
flapgreen said:
Caught up on the last 3 episodes tonight. I'm glad Brody is back. He adds another element to the show. I'll have to agree with some others in here. The show is getting insanely unrealistic. Hey, you want some top secret national security info? Just go bug the CIA director's house. No big deal... :rolleyes:
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Looks like this was my last post.
 
Just got caught up.

Quinny the. Cummer is the new Johnny Sac.
Oh you know I like to do just like the rest

You know I like my sugar sweet but guarding fumes and making haste

You know it ain't my cup of meat

Everybody's out the trees, feeding pigeons all under the limb

But when Quinn the Eskimo gets here the pigeons gonna run to him

 
Just no subtlety on this show. Showrunners think we are idiots.

No need for the bathtub scene. We understood the dynamic already.

Scene with fat chick in diner? Give me 10 minutes and I'll come up with a handful of plausible scenes where a stranger insults her and Quinn can throw down. Instead they offer up a middle-school lunch room scene.

 
Raider Nation said:
Yeah, if she had drowned that kid I would have checked out from this show.
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Watched last night. I was pretty upset with that.

I had difficulty connecting to my kids when they were first born. Once their personalities began to show up I fell head over heels for them... anyways, I was relating to her struggle and then she goes and starts drowning her baby. Even though she didn't go through with it, it really disturbed me. I'm going to be rooting for her death all season now.

 
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Raider Nation said:
Yeah, if she had drowned that kid I would have checked out from this show.
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Watched last night. I was pretty upset with that.

I had difficulty connecting to my kids when they were first born. Once their personalities began to show up I feel head over heels for them... anyways, I was relating to her struggle and then she goes and starts drowning her baby. Even though she didn't go through with it, it really disturbed me. I'm going to be rooting for her death all season now.
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It's rare a scene affects me, but this really got to me too. I had my hand on the remote ready to turn it off when she snapped out of it. I didn't think I had a limit to what I'd watch on TV, but I guess I do. Drowning babies :no: :no:

Otherwise, I was entertained by the episode. I don't expect everything to be knock my socks off amazing. Why you guys waste your time on so many shows you apparently hate is beyond me.

 
Ned said:
(HULK) said:
Raider Nation said:
Yeah, if she had drowned that kid I would have checked out from this show.
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Watched last night. I was pretty upset with that.

I had difficulty connecting to my kids when they were first born. Once their personalities began to show up I feel head over heels for them... anyways, I was relating to her struggle and then she goes and starts drowning her baby. Even though she didn't go through with it, it really disturbed me. I'm going to be rooting for her death all season now.
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It's rare a scene affects me, but this really got to me too. I had my hand on the remote ready to turn it off when she snapped out of it. I didn't think I had a limit to what I'd watch on TV, but I guess I do. Drowning babies :no: :no:

Otherwise, I was entertained by the episode. I don't expect everything to be knock my socks off amazing. Why you guys waste your time on so many shows you apparently hate is beyond me.
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Shows I can tolerate and my wife watches. This show used to be much better. I had high hopes for this season with Brody gone.

 
I'm starting to think the baby drowning scene was included just for all of the reaction it is getting. Could be a case of any PR is good PR since the show has received so little good PR over the past couple of seasons. Just hard to believe that the writers thought it necessary to go that far.

 
This show could have been good.

The very original premise of a suspense/thriller revolving around a potential sleeper cell was a good idea. It had a good mix of intrigue over whether Brody was really a BG, and I even liked the back story in understanding how Brody could justify his actions - based on what he "knew" about the missile strikes - so you get a story centered around the CIA trying to chase down the threat, painting Brody in a shade of gray that is neither completely bad or good.

I could even buy that Carrie, supposedly one of the CIA's best field operatives, using her charms to get close to Brody. I cannot buy that a great field operative would lose her ####, and go gaga over a suspect. That ruined the show, and seems very unrealistic - assuming Carrie to be one of the top field operatives.

They should have simply made a series on 1-season shows, using the CIA as a backdrop. Any relationship between Carrie and Brody was simply asinine. To continue it for 4 seasons, and include a child is such a turn off. I really have no idea who the intended audience is for this show anymore. Spy/thriller/intrigue genre is typically male-oreiented, but this touchy feely crap with Carrie is typically female-oreinted - but the show is alienating both set of viewers with the other stuff on the show - guys don't give a #### about Carrie's personal problems, and women don't care about action/spy stuff.

Oh, and while I am at it - stop with the heavy handed preaching about the dangers of drones. Just make a ####### show without trying to drive home a political message - I want to be entertained, not lectured. It was not even subtle.

I'll probably keep watching though, I can't turn away from a train wreck :bag:

 
Sinn Fein said:
Oh, and while I am at it - stop with the heavy handed preaching about the dangers of drones. Just make a ####### show without trying to drive home a political message - I want to be entertained, not lectured. It was not even subtle.
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:goodposting: That was out of line. This show has at least done a good job of staying away from making hidden political statements until this episode.

 
A couple questions before I consider getting back into this:

Does Carrie bone more random dudes or get naked?

Does Quinn still act cheesy like he's Carrie's guardian?

Do they still force family garbage into the story line?

Do they still overkill Carrie's disease?

Are there still an endless amount of plot twists and conspiracies that go nowhere and are just forgotten?

Tx

 
flapgreen said:
A couple questions before I consider getting back into this:

Does Carrie bone more random dudes or get naked?

Does Quinn still act cheesy like he's Carrie's guardian?

Do they still force family garbage into the story line?

Do they still overkill Carrie's disease?

Are there still an endless amount of plot twists and conspiracies that go nowhere and are just forgotten?

Tx
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No - she is simply an unstable woman looking for more responsibility in the CIA, and she hates kids, and has no maternal instinct

No - but he does bang a whale, and then beats up some random dudes who laugh at his whale.

Yes - Carrie's family is needlessly part of the story line. She (apparently) tries to drown her baby.

No - carrie is a ####### basketcase, but that just seems like her normal self

No - not yet anyways - too early.

I wonder if the show writers realize if they had ignored that Carrie was pregnant last season, nobody would have cared this season.

Bottom line, the US, and the world, would be a safer place if Carrie was hit by a drone strike. Show needs more Quinn.

 
That's very disappointing hearing about Quinn, but I like the answers to those questions, except for the baby killing part. I remember when I first started watching this show and was warned about the second half of season 2. I still wasn't prepared for the catastrophe that was to come. Biggest fall ever.

 
This show has the biggest missed opportunity of any show ever. Brody should've set off that bomb season 1. Would've been the best season of a show ever.

 
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