Homeland (1 Viewer)

[Tremendous Upside]

You know what has jumped the shark? Using that term.

 

[Sconch]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

Seriously?

 

[biggamer3]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

Seriously?

I think this episode was very good.Everyhing seemed believable to me. The only part I still dont understand is how they turned Walker to this amount of evil, like him killing that innocent hunter

 

[EYLive]

Is Carrie gonna pull some Jack Bauer interrogation ish on the Saudi diplomat this week?

 

[HughHoney]

I thought it was a great episode. Do people watch these shows to nitpick every single thing they can? It almost seems like you watch it for the sole purpose of finding anything and everything wrong with the writing or whatever. I don't care about his beard length, this show continues to be great.

I can't imagine some of you watching Dexter, you would break your televisions with the plots holes and lack of witnesses during murders/kidnappings in public.

 

[bonesman]

- I don't believe the kid's death would have be enough to turn him, even despite the VP denying the story.

I'm pretty sure that's what they're implying (through metaphor) as Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus.

 

[Ned]

I thought it was a great episode. Do people watch these shows to nitpick every single thing they can? It almost seems like you watch it for the sole purpose of finding anything and everything wrong with the writing or whatever. I don't care about his beard length, this show continues to be great. I can't imagine some of you watching Dexter, you would break your televisions with the plots holes and lack of witnesses during murders/kidnappings in public.

While I was no better with my last post, I agree that the tone of this thread is out of control with shooting holes in the plot. I'm loving this show. I look forward to the Sunday night double of Dexter and Homeland.

 

[wadegarrett]

I thought it was a great episode. Do people watch these shows to nitpick every single thing they can? It almost seems like you watch it for the sole purpose of finding anything and everything wrong with the writing or whatever. I don't care about his beard length, this show continues to be great. I can't imagine some of you watching Dexter, you would break your televisions with the plots holes and lack of witnesses during murders/kidnappings in public.

While I was no better with my last post, I agree that the tone of this thread is out of control with shooting holes in the plot. I'm loving this show. I look forward to the Sunday night double of Dexter and Homeland.

Relax nerds.

 

[phishphan]

The show is great, but I am getting disappointed by the lack of showing Brody's wife's bewbs.

 

[kip stabone]

Also when they were reciting "take me out to the ballgame", Brody called Isa "Brad". He said something like "Keep going Brad". Wonder what that was about.

I thought he called him "brat".

Yep, watching TV with closed captioning on like an octogenarian pays off again, it was "Brat". Issa later calls Brody a "Brat" as well.

 

[Ned]

The show is great, but I am getting disappointed by the lack of showing Brody's wife's bewbs.

Now this is something we can all agree to complain about.

 

[pollardsvision]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.How would you have preferred him to flip?

 

[shadyridr]

We see him start teaching his son 3 yrs ago. Then we find him with long hair and a full beard again in a bunker? I assume it was part of Abu Nazirs plan to have him "found" but I dont think he couldve grown that much hair that quickly

 

[shadyridr]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.How would you have preferred him to flip?

the show is so truthful IMO. They see us as terrorists, we see them as terrorists. We do some despicable things, so do they.

 

[Sconch]

Brad?

 

[cstu]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

 

[cstu]

- I don't believe the kid's death would have be enough to turn him, even despite the VP denying the story.

I'm pretty sure that's what they're implying (through metaphor) as Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus.

Why are they calling him EYE-SA when it's pronounced EE-SA?

 

[toadstool]

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another.

He hasn't actually attacked anything yet.

 

[comfortably numb]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.

How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.

Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

The kid on the message at home isn't his? Or is it from the woman's new man?

 

[cr8f]

Pretty addictive shoe. I missed it until this week, watched all the episodes and now I'm hooked.

 

[Ned]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.

How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.

Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

The kid on the message at home isn't his? Or is it from the woman's new man?

That's Walker's kid. They had the wife tell him on the phone that she told him stories about Walker.

 

[Nathan R. Jessep]

Who says Walker is homeless?

I thought he was just posted up on the corner to get his intel from the diplomat

"What are you hunting?"

"Office supplies"

You just knew poor Dan the hunter was going to die sooner or later.

Dan had the newspaper with Walker's pic on the cover and he's just gonna walk up on a black guy that's not even wearing camo shooting a rifle in the woods? Other than that "c'mon man" moment, I liked this week's episode.

The show is great, but I am getting disappointed by the lack of showing Brody's wife's bewbs.

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.

How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.

Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

The kid on the message at home isn't his? Or is it from the woman's new man?

That's Walker's kid. They had the wife tell him on the phone that she told him stories about Walker.

she told him that the kid had seen "Daddy" at school watching him

 

[TobiasFunke]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.

How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.

Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

Re: the first bolded part, how could you possibly know if this has happened or not? You think they'd broadcast the fact that they turned a former Al Qaeda member?

Re: the second bolded part, for chrissakes, give them a chance to tell the story! A week ago we had no idea why he might have turned and people we complaining about that as a plot hole. Now they explain it and people immediately complain that it's not enough? Maybe there's more coming. Or maybe they won't show it because it would be boring but leave the audience to assume other things may have happened because that seems entirely reasonable.

 

[bonesman]

- I don't believe the kid's death would have be enough to turn him, even despite the VP denying the story.

I'm pretty sure that's what they're implying (through metaphor) as Isa is the Islamic name for Jesus.

Why are they calling him EYE-SA when it's pronounced EE-SA?

Because that's how us in the West pronounce the Arabic "I" at the beginning of words. For example, listen to how most people pronounce Iraq and Iran. They say EYE instead of EAR.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

 

[cstu]

Who says Walker is homeless?

I thought he was just posted up on the corner to get his intel from the diplomat

"What are you hunting?"

"Office supplies"

You just knew poor Dan the hunter was going to die sooner or later.

Dan had the newspaper with Walker's pic on the cover and he's just gonna walk up on a black guy that's not even wearing camo shooting a rifle in the woods? Other than that "c'mon man" moment, I liked this week's episode.

The show is great, but I am getting disappointed by the lack of showing Brody's wife's bewbs.

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.

How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.

Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

The kid on the message at home isn't his? Or is it from the woman's new man?

That's Walker's kid. They had the wife tell him on the phone that she told him stories about Walker.

she told him that the kid had seen "Daddy" at school watching him

Somehow I forgot about his kid.

 

[cstu]

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another.

He hasn't actually attacked anything yet.

I'm still holding out for double agent.

 

[pollardsvision]

Seriously, I think the show jumped the shark with this episode. This is possibly the weakest choice they could have made for Brody's character.

I think it's great. I was worried about how they'd handle "the flip", but it seems both compelling and plausible to me.Stockholm syndrome setting in is plausible. It also makes sense that Brody feel a connection with a kid. Maybe even, in some way, making up for the time he'd lost with his own. Top it off with seeing the worst of America through the eyes of Nazir and it makes sense to me.How would you have preferred him to flip?

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another. I do believe he could have liked Nazir and sympathized with their problems but I don't think it would have been enough to turn him. Being a military person who fought his captors for as long as he did and also having a wife and kids it seems like he would need a lot more than that to turn. Think about it - has torturing people worked for us to turn Al Qaeda members into America-loving soldiers who will go back home and fight against their own? Perhaps future episodes will make it more plausible. What I would have like to have seen is things that would have helped convince him of the degradation of American morals, such as knowing his wife had cheated on him before he was captured or maybe his fellow soldiers happy about killing women and children in battle. To do what he's doing (violating his military duty and destroying the lives of his wife and kids) he would have had to develop a hatred of America that can be explained.Walker's flip is easier to understand since he was nearly beaten to death by another soldier and doesn't have any kids at home.

I think what we've seen is only the beginning. My point is was that I buy the story so far in that it's plausible that it's the catalyst to him being sympathetic to Nazir. Maybe he did find out about his friend schtupping his wife before returning to the states? No reason to think Nazir wouldn't have figured that out and told Brody. Brody seemed suspicious almost immediately upon his return.I feel like there's more to come, but I like what they've done so far and trust the rest will be plausible (at least enough for a TV drama).

 

[Raider Nation]

Wow, did I drop the ball. I heard people talking up this show in other threads, but I blew it off. Until tonight. It was a crappy night of TV so I started this series through Showtime On Demand. Can't stop watching. I made it through the first four episodes tonight alone. I'll catch up with the thread and do some Hippling when I get up to date tomorrow night.

Oh, Mandy Patinkin is superb as always.

 

[bonesman]

Stockholm Syndrome is one thing but attacking your own country after you go back to your loving family is another.

He hasn't actually attacked anything yet.

I'm still holding out for double agent.

I'm still holding out for Manchurian MindKontrol Candidate (programmed by either side, really) who's going to go into assassin kill-mode once he receives his "trigger" and then takes out the POTUS or head terrorist dude.

 

[Raider Nation]

Okay then. All caught up. Watched every episode in the last two days. Awesome stuff. You would know that Howard Gordon (of 24 fame) was involved with this show even if you didn't know that Howard Gordon was involved with this show. Same feel and pace.

One continuity problem: Carrie requests that the FBI doosh to remove his shoes when he enters the mosque. After a brief conversation, he asks her to follow him so he can point out Walker's escape route. At the top of the stairs, his shoes are magically back on his feet. He never bent down to put them back on, and there were no breaks in the scene.

Anyhoo, what this thread needs is some Sepinwall. Who wants me to post all nine of his reviews???

 

[Raider Nation]

I know this is a bit out of left field, but you know who this incarnation of Mandy Patinkin really reminds me of?

Sydney Pollack, when he was on The Sopranos .

Highly intelligent, soft-spoken, a gentle spirit, slightly aloof.

Anybody else see it?

 

[Raider Nation]

Another good episode, but WTF... only 45 minutes long?

Early in "Representative Brody," Carrie repeats the mantra that Saul taught her about getting inside the heads of terror suspects: "You're trying to find what makes them human - not what makes them terrorists." That line sounds like a mission statement for "Homeland," which has been telling a great thriller story throughout involving spies chasing terrorists, but has gotten so much power out of exploring the humanity on both sides."Representative Brody" kept that up, as Carrie spent much of the hour trying to work Brody and Walker's Saudi diplomat contact, who turns out to be in the terrorism game for the money, using his connection to Nazir to maintain his lavish, closeted lifestyle. Through the writing and performance of Ramsey Faragallah, he turned from a plot device into an actual person, one who could surprise Carrie and Saul by angrily calling their bluff, but who's still vulnerable to the deportation threat Carrie makes against his favorite daughter. He blowed up real good thanks to Tom Walker, but that was a fine character sketch over the course of the hour, and built up to a fantastic suspense sequence at the end, where it was clear very early on that something was wrong, but not that it could go quite that wrong. (Given Walker's shooting skills, I figured he would just put a bullet in the guy's head from a distance.)Much as I prefer to focus on the character beats, "Homeland" is a thriller at heart, and the fiasco at the park again raises the question of whether there's a mole in the CIA. It's not impossible that Brody could have seen something in Carrie's house to give it away, but if so, I didn't notice what it could have been. Which means we have to once again be questioning the loyalty of Saul, David, Galvez, maybe even Larry the polygrapher. We've got two episodes to go in this season - it's really flown by, hasn't it? - and where we once upon a time wondered about the show's long-term viability, these last few episodes have set up a very clear framework for how the rest of this season and next will go. By introducing Walker as a separate but related threat, we have a conflict that the show can resolve in its final hours, while Brody continues on to his run for Congress, with Carrie realizing somewhere along the way that she was right about him the first time.Brody's end of the episode provided an interesting contrast to Carrie's work with the diplomat, in that he's a guy who claims to be operating out of what makes him human (his need for a cause and sense of duty), when he's really operating out of what makes him a terrorist. Everything he tells Jessica and Mike is based on his knowledge of them and what buttons he can push - wrapping his forgiveness of Mike around a request for help with Jessica was just as cruelly manipulative in its own way as Carrie threatening to deport the daughter - and designed to keep him as a part of Nazir's plan. He works his two biggest obstacles beautifully and turns them into allies, and he could be one hell of a politician, with or without the secret agenda.I also appreciated that Jessica was smart enough to realize exactly what Carrie was to Brody, setting up that painful scene where Carrie's expecting a romantic night of adultery and instead is told bluntly that this door has been shut to her forever. Great use of Miles Davis' "My Funny Valentine" throughout that sequence and the montage that followed.

 

[Slingblade]

"I suck ####. So what? Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, Yummy!"

 

[Raider Nation]

"I suck ####. So what? Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, Yummy!"

 

[Ned]

"I suck ####. So what? Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, Yummy!"

That was a great blind side. I never saw that coming. The look on Saul's face.

 

[belljr]

"I suck ####. So what? Yummy, Yummy, Yummy, Yummy!"

That was a great blind side. I never saw that coming. The look on Saul's face.

x2 And we officially are now watching Showtime 24

 

[Reg Lllama of Brixton]

Anyhoo, what this thread needs is some Sepinwall. Who wants me to post all nine of his reviews???

 

[Raider Nation]

And we officially are now watching Showtime 24

I love how the agents call in and say "I'm five minutes OUT" just like Jack always said.

 

[mad sweeney]

This last episode was a bit of a drop overall, probably my least favorite episode so far, but the end picked it back up. The worst ep of an awesome show us still pretty good. I'll weigh in on Brody/Carrie later on. I was a few eps behind, thought I caught up last week and started reading the thread only to realize when I read something about a kid dying that my DVR messed up. Fortunately I somehow forgot about it til right before the bomb. Guess I figured it was Waljer's son and I didn't connect it.

Saul is becoming one of my favorite characters in any show. Can't wait til they show him really mad and he loses it. Mandy's knocking it out of the park.

 

[belljr]

And we officially are now watching Showtime 24

I love how the agents call in and say "I'm five minutes OUT" just like Jack always said.

Extreme/Absurd terrorist plot - checkOnly 1 agent to stop it - partial checkPersonal matters interfering with national security - checkAGENCY NOW HAS A MOLE ---- BIG MOTHER ####### CHECKYes I actually love the show Just waiting for a "WHO DO YOU WORK FOR?!?!?!?"

 

[belljr]

Did some reasearch just for S&G

Homeland

Alex Gansa - executive producer - 12 episodes

Howard Gordon - executive producer - 12 episodes

Chip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 11 episodes

24

Alex Gansa - co-executive producer - 24 episodes, 2009) (executive producer - 24 episodes, 2010)

Howard Gordon - executive producer - 175 episodes, 2002-2010) (co-executive producer - 19 episodes, 2001-2002

Chip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 17 episodes, 2010) (executive producer - 7 episodes, 2010) (consulting producer - 6 episodes, 2009



Apologize if this was already stated

 

[Raider Nation]

Did some reasearch just for S&GHomelandAlex Gansa - executive producer - 12 episodesHoward Gordon - executive producer - 12 episodesChip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 11 episodes24Alex Gansa - co-executive producer - 24 episodes, 2009) (executive producer - 24 episodes, 2010)Howard Gordon - executive producer - 175 episodes, 2002-2010) (co-executive producer - 19 episodes, 2001-2002Chip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 17 episodes, 2010) (executive producer - 7 episodes, 2010) (consulting producer - 6 episodes, 2009Apologize if this was already stated

I assumed you already knew that with all your '24' references.

 

[Raider Nation]

Or you could have read my post on this very page:

You would know that Howard Gordon (of 24 fame) was involved with this show even if you didn't know that Howard Gordon was involved with this show. Same feel and pace.

 

[belljr]

Did some reasearch just for S&GHomelandAlex Gansa - executive producer - 12 episodesHoward Gordon - executive producer - 12 episodesChip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 11 episodes24Alex Gansa - co-executive producer - 24 episodes, 2009) (executive producer - 24 episodes, 2010)Howard Gordon - executive producer - 175 episodes, 2002-2010) (co-executive producer - 19 episodes, 2001-2002Chip Johannessen - co-executive producer - 17 episodes, 2010) (executive producer - 7 episodes, 2010) (consulting producer - 6 episodes, 2009Apologize if this was already stated

I assumed you already knew that with all your '24' references.

No - just from watching both

 

[Chaos Commish]

Saul is becoming one of my favorite characters in any show. Can't wait til they show him really mad and he loses it. Mandy's knocking it out of the park.

I would consider that unfortunate. Characters developed one way (calm, cool, calculating) and then going way out of character is a lame device and poor writing. Saul needs to stay in character. His ire with Carrie for hitting on him was perfect. He has that anger is the enemy of instruction zen thing going and needs to keep it. I'd like to see Walker's character developed more. If he's just the boogeyman home from Iraq with major issues that would be boring. But Saul was wrong that the briefcase bomb proved a leak. There is a leak, but the gay Saudi guy could have had a way to tell signal him that he'd been made and the meeting was a trap. I'm looking forward to Walker's encounter with Brody.

I agree with Sig from a few pages back. Brody is conflicted. Trying to figure out if he is or isn't a terrorist is what he is doing right along with us.

Carrie could be the leak. She's so flawed. Her obsession with him could be from knowing and supporting his mission. Nah, the interrogation in the cabin would become too much of a stretch. Carry on.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

there's definitely a mole - warning the couple in the house near airport, razor blade, bomb - Saul is still a leading suspect here I think

RE: Brody going to Carrie's apartment instead of a bar, seems like he was casing out her apartment - keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

But Saul was wrong that the briefcase bomb proved a leak. There is a leak, but the gay Saudi guy could have had a way to tell signal him that he'd been made and the meeting was a trap.

The gay Saudi guy was in it for the money; he wasn't so devoted as to sacrifice his life to the cause by having Walker blow him up.

 

[mad sweeney]

But Saul was wrong that the briefcase bomb proved a leak. There is a leak, but the gay Saudi guy could have had a way to tell signal him that he'd been made and the meeting was a trap.

The gay Saudi guy was in it for the money; he wasn't so devoted as to sacrifice his life to the cause by having Walker blow him up.

I'd have to believe the same. That doesn't mean that the heart in his window wasn't some kind of "heads up" message, but I don't believe he knew he'd be killed at the meeting. Thing is though, if the gay diplomat was the contact, who tipped off Walker? I know that goes into the question of who's the mole (and the Muslim CIA dude is way too obvious), but why would Nazir have a separate way of contacting Walker that the diplomat didn't know about when that same guy was trusted enough to deal with Brody (who has much more power as a congressman than any assassin or suicide bomber would)?

 

[mad sweeney]

Saul is becoming one of my favorite characters in any show. Can't wait til they show him really mad and he loses it. Mandy's knocking it out of the park.

I would consider that unfortunate. Characters developed one way (calm, cool, calculating) and then going way out of character is a lame device and poor writing. Saul needs to stay in character. His ire with Carrie for hitting on him was perfect. He has that anger is the enemy of instruction zen thing going and needs to keep it. I'd like to see Walker's character developed more. If he's just the boogeyman home from Iraq with major issues that would be boring. But Saul was wrong that the briefcase bomb proved a leak. There is a leak, but the gay Saudi guy could have had a way to tell signal him that he'd been made and the meeting was a trap. I'm looking forward to Walker's encounter with Brody.

I agree with Sig from a few pages back. Brody is conflicted. Trying to figure out if he is or isn't a terrorist is what he is doing right along with us.

Carrie could be the leak. She's so flawed. Her obsession with him could be from knowing and supporting his mission. Nah, the interrogation in the cabin would become too much of a stretch. Carry on.

Everyone loses control. I don't think it's out of character for him to lose his temper, everyone does. What would make that spectacular is the fact that he IS so calm and collected and calculating. It would take a lot, but what else would do it other than what he's faced with now? His wife gone because of his job, a huge plot going on right now that's deeper than anything they've faced since 9/11, State Dept and FBI issues, a mole and the prime suspects being two men that Americans should be idolizing and a supervisor who seems more likely to protect an image than solve a plot... Plenty of stuff building up for an epic meltdown.