Horace and Pete (1 Viewer)

[Hov34]

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/fien-print/critics-notebook-louis-ck-releases-861445

I watched the first episode. I will watch more.

Alan Alda at 80, just destroyed this. He may be our greatest living actor.

Buscemi tore it up in the end. All in all it was great if not rough in some spots.

https://louisck.net/package/horace-and-pete

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I dunno. It has an interesting feel, almost like it's a play. But it's a bit laborious to get through in spots.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Man this show is kind of great. Probably not for everyone, especially the mouth-breathers around here, but the third episode is awesome.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

Alda's character is maybe the funniest guy on TV right now. Holy ####.

 

[RUSF18]

Louie is doing the interview circuit claiming the show put him millions in debt because people didn't buy, and that he's been left with "no cushion in life".

I believe the show itself has lost millions but can't imagine the latter half of that statement is true. 

http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/horace-and-pete-put-louis-ck-millions-in-debt.html

 

[Good Posting Judge]

$3 an episode for a show you don't know much about is a very tough ask. As evidenced by the fact that this is the fifth post in this thread. It's been slow at times, been really good at times, but it's deliberately a show that is not of this era.

Thankfully for Louie, he can tour and print money. Sucks that he took a hit though.

 

[McGarnicle]

Louie is doing the interview circuit claiming the show put him millions in debt because people didn't buy, and that he's been left with "no cushion in life".

I believe the show itself has lost millions but can't imagine the latter half of that statement is true. 

http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/horace-and-pete-put-louis-ck-millions-in-debt.html

I almost hope it is true. He's been doing small clubs lately, working out new material. I've been dying to see him live, so a full-on arena/theater tour would be awesome.

 

[rockaction]

Would be an interesting show to watch. 

As far as mouth-breathing, there are some post-post-modernists on the board. 

There are also people that think Louie is boring when measured against that standard. But still, it's probably -- what -- 99% better than anything on television, so there's that. 

 

[Smack Tripper]

Louie is doing the interview circuit claiming the show put him millions in debt because people didn't buy, and that he's been left with "no cushion in life".

I believe the show itself has lost millions but can't imagine the latter half of that statement is true. 

http://www.vulture.com/2016/04/horace-and-pete-put-louis-ck-millions-in-debt.html

The guy sells out arena's doing comedy.  Arena's.  With an overhead of a microphone and some lighting. 

He's either:

-full of #### (my guess)

-into some toot

-paying out massive settlements for rumored improprieties

You can make some real money as a successful comedian.  Even if he's not doing arenas, a consistent theater tour is worth literally millions to him.  3000 seats x 50 bucks a ticket... 150 grand... can sometimes do two shows a night, He should make 2 million with two months of hustle.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

The guy sells out arena's doing comedy.  Arena's.  With an overhead of a microphone and some lighting. 

He's either:

-full of #### (my guess)

-into some toot

-paying out massive settlements for rumored improprieties

You can make some real money as a successful comedian.  Even if he's not doing arenas, a consistent theater tour is worth literally millions to him.  3000 seats x 50 bucks a ticket... 150 grand... can sometimes do two shows a night, He should make 2 million with two months of hustle.

Do you have any idea what's going on here.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Do you have any idea what's going on here.

What I've inferred from reading is, he's saying that his cushion for life was 2 million, based on the budget of Horace and Pete being that, being unsuccessful and thus him teetering on some sort of brink (paraphrase). 

I find it next to impossible to think that he has only 2 million in liquid assets based on the success of his standup career, a minor film career and a pretty successful role as star and producer of Louie.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

What I've inferred from reading is, he's saying that his cushion for life was 2 million, based on the budget of Horace and Pete being that, being unsuccessful and thus him teetering on some sort of brink (paraphrase). 

I find it next to impossible to think that he has only 2 million in liquid assets based on the success of his standup career, a minor film career and a pretty successful role as star and producer of Louie.

That celebrity net worth site says he's worth 8.5mm. He spent 2mm on the first four episodes, and then sounds like he took out a loan for the rest. So let's say liberally he's worth 10mm, spends 2mm of his own, and then takes out a loan for another 3mm? That's a pretty big hit. Also assuming that that 10mm isn't anywhere near liquid.

I mean I'm sure he'll be fine, but I don't doubt him when he's saying he's taking it in the shorts.

 

[elbowrm]

The inability to download onto my iPad is a major pain in the ### with his setup.  That would be a pretty perfect long plane ride show.

 

[RUSF18]

If he spent $5MM making that show, he made some really bad choices. 

 

[RUSF18]

Listening to Louis on with Bill Simmons where he's clarifying these comments. Says the show was in debt (makes sense) but he isn't anywhere close to broke. He's ripping on the media for how they ran with the incorrect story, but I haven't heard him try to walk back his "no cushion in life" comment yet. 

 

[Sweet J]

Listening to Louis on with Bill Simmons where he's clarifying these comments. Says the show was in debt (makes sense) but he isn't anywhere close to broke. He's ripping on the media for how they ran with the incorrect story, but I haven't heard him try to walk back his "no cushion in life" comment yet. 

Right.  He basically said "sure I was put in debt by the show, just like studio goes in 'debt' to make a show."  He clearly is confident that he'll make his money back.  He also said that he was just kind of goofing about being broke on Howard Stern, and people just ran weird with it.  Just kind of shrugged it off.

I'm excited to try the show out. 

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Right.  He basically said "sure I was put in debt by the show, just like studio goes in 'debt' to make a show."  He clearly is confident that he'll make his money back.  He also said that he was just kind of goofing about being broke on Howard Stern, and people just ran weird with it.  Just kind of shrugged it off.

I'm excited to try the show out. 

And fully owns the content, so he can do whatever he wants with it.  He will eventually sell the rights to it to other platforms and make some money back.

Honestly, Louie has a lot of #### figured out when it comes to purveying creativity, doing what you want to do, and figuring out how to control your product as an artist.  He left a ton of money on the table with FX for the right to have complete control.  He self-financed and distributed his stand-up special. He has full control of this show and rolled it out completely organically (starting by only distributing to his e-mail list and also never said that the last episode was the last episode).  He has freedom and control over his product, which lots more artists could do today if they were willing to trust themselves and take some risks.  Obviously easier for someone who has already made a name for himself, but still, he's willing to stand up for what he wants to do creatively and it is impressive.

 

[McGarnicle]

And fully owns the content, so he can do whatever he wants with it.  He will eventually sell the rights to it to other platforms and make some money back.

Honestly, Louie has a lot of #### figured out when it comes to purveying creativity, doing what you want to do, and figuring out how to control your product as an artist.  He left a ton of money on the table with FX for the right to have complete control.  He self-financed and distributed his stand-up special. He has full control of this show and rolled it out completely organically (starting by only distributing to his e-mail list and also never said that the last episode was the last episode).  He has freedom and control over his product, which lots more artists could do today if they were willing to trust themselves and take some risks.  Obviously easier for someone who has already made a name for himself, but still, he's willing to stand up for what he wants to do creatively and it is impressive.

Just listened to the Simmons podcast today. Looking forward to binge watching H&P this weekend and keeping an eye out for tour dates. Really excited he's finally touring again.

 

[mquinnjr]

Just listened to the Simmons podcast today. Looking forward to binge watching H&P this weekend and keeping an eye out for tour dates. Really excited he's finally touring again.

+1, I like Louie anyways. Interview was great and this show sounds awesome.

 

[McGarnicle]

Listening to Louis on with Bill Simmons where he's clarifying these comments. Says the show was in debt (makes sense) but he isn't anywhere close to broke. He's ripping on the media for how they ran with the incorrect story, but I haven't heard him try to walk back his "no cushion in life" comment yet. 

I heard the Simmons podcast yesterday and I was curious to hear what he said on Stern that was so different that led to all these false stories. So I listened to the Stern interview just now and it's essentially the same.

He said the show is on track to start making money by August, at the rate it's been selling. I get how "no cushion in life" can be taken out of context, but if you listen to the whole interview it's pretty clear he'll be just fine. If you read some of the articles that came after the Stern interview, my god, talk about lazy & shoddy journalism. 

 

[mquinnjr]

I heard the Simmons podcast yesterday and I was curious to hear what he said on Stern that was so different that led to all these false stories. So I listened to the Stern interview just now and it's essentially the same.

He said the show is on track to start making money by August, at the rate it's been selling. I get how "no cushion in life" can be taken out of context, but if you listen to the whole interview it's pretty clear he'll be just fine. If you read some of the articles that came after the Stern interview, my god, talk about lazy & shoddy journalism. 

Welcome to the intertubes!!!

 

[Capella]

Like he said, the real story is boring and doesn't get clicks. 

 

[McGarnicle]

Streaming stuff from Chrome using the Chromecast is just a miserable experience.

 

[McGarnicle]

Halfway through. Very well done, superb acting all around, but damn is it heavy and depressing. We just watched episode 5 and agreed we need a break.

 

[mquinnjr]

Halfway through. Very well done, superb acting all around, but damn is it heavy and depressing. We just watched episode 5 and agreed we need a break.

Same spot personally. Show is so good that I could binge the entire 10 episodes today, but I'm restraining myself. It is pretty heavily depressing, but so incredibly well done. Episode 3, just wow. I have a hard time in my mind separating the acting from a cam video in the bar of two people having a serious conversaiton. Just stunningly well done.

 

[McGarnicle]

Same spot personally. Show is so good that I could binge the entire 10 episodes today, but I'm restraining myself. It is pretty heavily depressing, but so incredibly well done. Episode 3, just wow. I have a hard time in my mind separating the acting from a cam video in the bar of two people having a serious conversaiton. Just stunningly well done.

Yeah that was mesmerizing. I don't know if her character is coming back but she could get an Emmy just for that scene.

 

[Smack Tripper]

Saw some clips of this, talk about a tedious slog...but the more curious thing to me is, they chose to shoot this on a sound stage in New York City.  That's a particularly expensive game, not nearly enough inventory for the demand, so you pay through the nose.  Hence you do most of your work in New York on location. 

I know some of Louie's old producing team and they REALLY stretched their buck on the series, so I assume he's got the same team with him.  The set frankly looked like crap and was lit like hell.  It looked like the bar on Archie Bunker's Place and it had a similar level of all in the family worst moments of joyless preaching.

 

[McGarnicle]

Saw some clips of this, talk about a tedious slog...but the more curious thing to me is, they chose to shoot this on a sound stage in New York City.  That's a particularly expensive game, not nearly enough inventory for the demand, so you pay through the nose.  Hence you do most of your work in New York on location. 

I know some of Louie's old producing team and they REALLY stretched their buck on the series, so I assume he's got the same team with him.  The set frankly looked like crap and was lit like hell.  It looked like the bar on Archie Bunker's Place and it had a similar level of all in the family worst moments of joyless preaching.

You'll love episode 8 -- the guy from Bar Rescue comes and they turn the place into the hippest club in Brooklyn. $12 signature cocktails, apps, karaoke, the whole deal. The fat daughter starts taking pilates classes and in episode 9 she's played by Cecily Strong instead of Aidy Bryant.

 

[McGarnicle]

Random thoughts/rant w/spoilers.

Spoiler

I keep thinking there's no way Louie wrote Alan Alda out of the show that abruptly after just 4 episodes. Everything just feels wrong -- he was the most compelling character on the show and clearly had more of an arc than that. He walks out at the end of episode 4, next thing you know he killed himself, and the show just goes on like he wasn't there? Makes no sense. No idea what happened but I'm guessing Alda quit the show.

Episode 6 when Pete brings the girl home for dinner is just devastating. Almost difficult to watch. Brilliant, but man, just ####### brutal.

Episode 7 -- loved it, until the ridiculous lecture about transgenders at the end. That was so preachy and over the top that it was downright offensive. So it's not enough that transgenders have complete equality in the eyes of the law, and complete acceptance in society -- a heterosexual man who prefers biological females is apparently a bigot? And the woman says Horace did something wrong because he didn't divulge his affair with the SIL before they had sex? WTF???

Reminded me of the fat lady episode on Louie -- let's just randomly have a woman berate Louie for 10 minutes about something stupid and he'll just sit there looking bewildered. He needs to resist whatever urge he has to write that kind of crap because it's tedious and just not good TV. /rant

 

[Smack Tripper]

You'll love episode 8 -- the guy from Bar Rescue comes and they turn the place into the hippest club in Brooklyn. $12 signature cocktails, apps, karaoke, the whole deal. The fat daughter starts taking pilates classes and in episode 9 she's played by Cecily Strong instead of Aidy Bryant.

if thats true I'll buy it tonight

 

[Smack Tripper]

Random thoughts/rant w/spoilers.

Spoiler

I keep thinking there's no way Louie wrote Alan Alda out of the show that abruptly after just 4 episodes. Everything just feels wrong -- he was the most compelling character on the show and clearly had more of an arc than that. He walks out at the end of episode 4, next thing you know he killed himself, and the show just goes on like he wasn't there? Makes no sense. No idea what happened but I'm guessing Alda quit the show.

Episode 6 when Pete brings the girl home for dinner is just devastating. Almost difficult to watch. Brilliant, but man, just ####### brutal.

Episode 7 -- loved it, until the ridiculous lecture about transgenders at the end. That was so preachy and over the top that it was downright offensive. So it's not enough that transgenders have complete equality in the eyes of the law, and complete acceptance in society -- a heterosexual man who prefers biological females is apparently a bigot? And the woman says Horace did something wrong because he didn't divulge his affair with the SIL before they had sex? WTF???

Reminded me of the fat lady episode on Louie -- let's just randomly have a woman berate Louie for 10 minutes about something stupid and he'll just sit there looking bewildered. He needs to resist whatever urge he has to write that kind of crap because it's tedious and just not good TV. /rant

I don't watch but could it be an actor related age issue?  Guy you speak of is 80

 

[McGarnicle]

I don't watch but could it be an actor related age issue?  Guy you speak of is 80

I'm guessing we'll never know but it's kind of a big letdown & an elephant in the room for me. But I've got 3 episodes left.

So far I'd say the show is brilliant in spots, uneven and frustrating in others. Probably exactly what he was going for.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Louie says the show is in the black.

http://www.vulture.com/2016/05/louis-ck-says-horace-and-pete-isnt-canceled.html

"The tax rebate we're getting from New York State [where the show was shot] and the amount of sales we have so far have put the show in the black," he says proudly. "The show's paid for — with no advertising. There isn't a TV show with this kind of cast that has that kind of success."

 

[The Kansas Comet]

Random thoughts/rant w/spoilers.

Spoiler

I keep thinking there's no way Louie wrote Alan Alda out of the show that abruptly after just 4 episodes. Everything just feels wrong -- he was the most compelling character on the show and clearly had more of an arc than that. He walks out at the end of episode 4, next thing you know he killed himself, and the show just goes on like he wasn't there? Makes no sense. No idea what happened but I'm guessing Alda quit the show.

Episode 6 when Pete brings the girl home for dinner is just devastating. Almost difficult to watch. Brilliant, but man, just ####### brutal.

Episode 7 -- loved it, until the ridiculous lecture about transgenders at the end. That was so preachy and over the top that it was downright offensive. So it's not enough that transgenders have complete equality in the eyes of the law, and complete acceptance in society -- a heterosexual man who prefers biological females is apparently a bigot? And the woman says Horace did something wrong because he didn't divulge his affair with the SIL before they had sex? WTF???

Reminded me of the fat lady episode on Louie -- let's just randomly have a woman berate Louie for 10 minutes about something stupid and he'll just sit there looking bewildered. He needs to resist whatever urge he has to write that kind of crap because it's tedious and just not good TV. /rant

Louie went on WTF and talked in-depth about the entire process of creating, developing, and making the show.  Talks about that decision you refer to in episode 4.

 

[Long Ball Larry]

Louie went on WTF and talked in-depth about the entire process of creating, developing, and making the show.  Talks about that decision you refer to in episode 4.

yeah, definitely DO NOT listen to that WTF episode if you want to avoid spoilers. 

 

[McGarnicle]

I went back and rewatched episode 7 and got it.

Overall I thought the show was ####### brilliant. Looking forward to seeing him in June.