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Houston Texans forever - All D, no O. Now with less CJ Gardner-Johnson. (15 Viewers)

Anyone else reconsidering the notion that CJ is "Him"? I remember a feeling of relief thinking we finally found the QB of the future after all these years but now I'm having serious doubts. I think a mid QB like Baker or Stafford wins us those first two games. He seems a shell of his former self. Don't like all the sulking and aw shucks attitude either. And guess what's coming up soon? Contract time :kicksrock:

The doubts started last year but are still very slowly growing over time. Think he should be doing better with what he has, but he is facing a ton of pressure too. I hope it hasn't ruined him.
 
Kirk sucks. He'll probably hurt himself again. But if he's gonna produce anything...the jags are a good team to start off against.
 
Houston Texans

The early surprise: C.J. Stroud's high pressure rate.

The verdict: Real. Stroud has been pressured on 39.1% of his dropbacks, seventh most in the league, and that's not a mirage. It's a full malfunction, from the playcalling to getting pass catchers open down the field, to the pass protection plan, to the Texans offensive line struggling to block and sometimes Stroud holding the ball. The Texans' season will flop if they don't get this fixed, especially with better AFC opponents coming down the pike in Kansas City, Baltimore and Buffalo. -- DJ Bien-Aime
 
Houston Texans

The early surprise: C.J. Stroud's high pressure rate.

The verdict: Real. Stroud has been pressured on 39.1% of his dropbacks, seventh most in the league, and that's not a mirage. It's a full malfunction, from the playcalling to getting pass catchers open down the field, to the pass protection plan, to the Texans offensive line struggling to block and sometimes Stroud holding the ball. The Texans' season will flop if they don't get this fixed, especially with better AFC opponents coming down the pike in Kansas City, Baltimore and Buffalo. -- DJ Bien-Aime

It seems like such an easy fix i.e. create more short game options. You see Baker do it on routine but it's like Bearded Bobby is oblivious. Marks and Noel would be perfect guys for that yet it always seems like the only calls are for routes 10+ yds where CJ holds the ball far too long.
 
Anyone else reconsidering the notion that CJ is "Him"? I remember a feeling of relief thinking we finally found the QB of the future after all these years but now I'm having serious doubts. I think a mid QB like Baker or Stafford wins us those first two games. He seems a shell of his former self. Don't like all the sulking and aw shucks attitude either. And guess what's coming up soon? Contract time :kicksrock:

The doubts started last year but are still very slowly growing over time. Think he should be doing better with what he has, but he is facing a ton of pressure too. I hope it hasn't ruined him.

Same, o'line is definitely an issue as are the rookie pass catching options. Stroud shares blame sometimes too but feel many of his issues are lack of good coaching IMO.

Wish we had found a new OC and o'line coach outside of the building and had a real plan for building the o'line instead of a bunch of bandaids.
 
So now the moment of talking anyone who needs it off the ledge.

Yeah it's a rough start, and they need to turn it around as coming back from 0-3 doesn't have a very good history.

But... they've played two teams who are leading their divisions. The loss against TB came down to a single play going different at any number of spots and the outcome changes. The Rams one was also winnable though they didn't, if not as close as Monday's game.

The first place schedule is going to make it rough. But they could still end up winning the division. Definitely need some improvement from the offensive coaching. Hopefully Caley is learning quick on the fly and getting some guidance to help.
 
So now the moment of talking anyone who needs it off the ledge.

Yeah it's a rough start, and they need to turn it around as coming back from 0-3 doesn't have a very good history.

But... they've played two teams who are leading their divisions. The loss against TB came down to a single play going different at any number of spots and the outcome changes. The Rams one was also winnable though they didn't, if not as close as Monday's game.

The first place schedule is going to make it rough. But they could still end up winning the division. Definitely need some improvement from the offensive coaching. Hopefully Caley is learning quick on the fly and getting some guidance to help.

Another interesting stat I read is that the Texans have won their last 11 road games against divisional opponents so that bodes well for Sunday.

However, it just seems like this team's upside is where we got with BOB i.e. more meaningless division championships and early playoff exits :shrug:
 
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So now the moment of talking anyone who needs it off the ledge.

Yeah it's a rough start, and they need to turn it around as coming back from 0-3 doesn't have a very good history.

But... they've played two teams who are leading their divisions. The loss against TB came down to a single play going different at any number of spots and the outcome changes. The Rams one was also winnable though they didn't, if not as close as Monday's game.

The first place schedule is going to make it rough. But they could still end up winning the division. Definitely need some improvement from the offensive coaching. Hopefully Caley is learning quick on the fly and getting some guidance to help.

Another interesting stat I read is that the Texans have won their last 11 road games against divisional opponents so that bodes well for Sunday.

However, it just seems like this team's upside is where we got with BOB i.e. more meaningless division championships and early playoff exits :shrug:

Yeah I feel ya there. The optimism I had after the first year with coach and Stroud is pretty diminished.
 

Grand jury declines to indict Jimmie Ward in domestic violence case​

HOUSTON -- A Montgomery County (Texas) grand jury has decided not to indict Houston Texans safety Jimmie Ward, months after he was arrested on suspicion of third-degree felony domestic violence.

The grand jury didn't find probable cause that Ward committed the alleged crimes against the woman involved in the incident.

"I can finally move forward," Ward told KPRC-TV on Thursday.

Ward is currently on the NFL's commissioner exempt list stemming from his arrest in Montgomery County, Texas on June 12 for the alleged family violence in his Magnolia home. Ward may not practice or attend games while on the list.

"We continue to monitor all developments in the matter, which remains under review," NFL spokesman Brian McCarthy wrote in an email to KPRC-TV.

Ward's attorney, Steve Jackson, said he expects that his client could come off the commissioner exempt list next week.
 
If you want to feel sick a bit, there's some video breakdowns making the rounds on the social media sites of that final drive and To'oTo'o completely whiffing past Baker for an easy sack on 4th & 10 where Baker ended up running for that long gain. Literally went for like a knockout blow type hit and flew past him without even touching him when all he had to do was wrap him up to end the game.
 
If you want to feel sick a bit, there's some video breakdowns making the rounds on the social media sites of that final drive and To'oTo'o completely whiffing past Baker for an easy sack on 4th & 10 where Baker ended up running for that long gain. Literally went for like a knockout blow type hit and flew past him without even touching him when all he had to do was wrap him up to end the game.
Texans gonna Texan. All he had to do was break down and stay in front and it's game over.
 
So now the moment of talking anyone who needs it off the ledge.

Yeah it's a rough start, and they need to turn it around as coming back from 0-3 doesn't have a very good history.

But... they've played two teams who are leading their divisions. The loss against TB came down to a single play going different at any number of spots and the outcome changes. The Rams one was also winnable though they didn't, if not as close as Monday's game.

The first place schedule is going to make it rough. But they could still end up winning the division. Definitely need some improvement from the offensive coaching. Hopefully Caley is learning quick on the fly and getting some guidance to help.

Another interesting stat I read is that the Texans have won their last 11 road games against divisional opponents so that bodes well for Sunday.

However, it just seems like this team's upside is where we got with BOB i.e. more meaningless division championships and early playoff exits :shrug:

Yeah I feel ya there. The optimism I had after the first year with coach and Stroud is pretty diminished.
Same - last year it felt like the cringey 1st time ever playoff appearance with Bob where they wore the matching letterman jackets and had all this swagger and got absolutely embarrassed. Offseason last year reminded me of that in that they had big heads and were overconfident and playing with house money with big FA contracts and big trades like for Diggs but ignored the o'line. I'm not sure they've learned their lesson, the draft added some nice foundational long-term pieces IMO, but they once again traded like crazy and made some head scratchers. And the treatment of the o'line thinking they can just find guys off the street to fill holes and get by is the same problem we had under Bob and Rick Smith in particular for a decade and a half. Ersery looks like a nice piece early on but there's 4 other spots.

Really needed a win out of these 2. The schedule is killer, I don't see us winning against BAL, BUF, or KC which is 5 losses. Tough to sweep the division with the other 3 teams shaky but improved from last year. Being optimistic if you go 4-2 you're then at 7 losses and have to be perfect in all other games to get to 10 wins. Going to be tough with Den, 49ers, Sea, & LAC. I don't think 9-7 gets a playoff spot in the AFC this year IMO. Best to hope for is the offense can figure something out and improve/come together and we can manage some upsets against the top of the AFC.
 
Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
 
Good news is that they're playing the Titans next week. Good news meaning that if they lose, it will give McNair and co enough ammunition to burn it all down and start over. The parallels with BOB are uncanny.
 
Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
We might need a new QB. Caserio has completely botched CJ’s rookie window. If we extend him it might look just like Jax where you wonder if he’s still the guy while he eats more cap

They might be forced to trade CJ and restart the clock with how they’ve mismanaged this.
 
Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
We might need a new QB. Caserio has completely botched CJ’s rookie window. If we extend him it might look just like Jax where you wonder if he’s still the guy while he eats more cap

They might be forced to trade CJ and restart the clock with how they’ve mismanaged this.
We'll have to see how they respond the rest of the season. If they continue to fight and try to improve or not. Playoffs may be mathematically out of reach but I do think we can still win 7~8 games total if they don't totally collapse or Ryan's loses the team. Will need to use this time to evaluate Stroud the rest of the year and see if he can improve or show signs of being the future guy or growing from this. If there's any question by season's end if Stroud is the guy I hope they don't decide to go ahead and extend this next year. Who cares if he costs more waiting a year, it's better than being stuck with Tlaw's contract like the Jags are for the next 3 or 4 seasons.

I don't think Ryan's gets fired unless its a Kubiak or BoB type implosion the rest of the year. I get the frustration and anger with the obvious issues that aren't getting better, but two division wins and two playoff wins is not something to totally throw away after one bad season. We're also not privy to who behind the scenes was driving the Tunsil trade and o'line bandaids with castoffs from other teams as some sort of "plan." As someone said in the game thread, Caserio should be getting way more heat for his draft and FA misses at o'line. Plus his constant trades that have burned us depth-wise.
 
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Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
We might need a new QB. Caserio has completely botched CJ’s rookie window. If we extend him it might look just like Jax where you wonder if he’s still the guy while he eats more cap

They might be forced to trade CJ and restart the clock with how they’ve mismanaged this.
We'll have to see how they respond the rest of the season. If they continue to fight and try to improve or not. Playoffs may be mathematically out of reach but I do think we can still win 7~8 games total if they don't totally collapse or Ryan's loses the team. Will need to use this time to evaluate Stroud the rest of the year and see if he can improve or show signs of being the future guy or growing from this. If there's any question by season's end if Stroud is the guy I hope they don't decide to go ahead and extend this next year. Who cares if he costs more waiting a year, it's better than being stuck with Tlaw's contract like the Jags are for the next 3 or 4 seasons.

I don't think Ryan's gets fired unless its a Kubiak or BoB type implosion the rest of the year. I get the frustration and anger with the obvious issues that aren't getting better, but two division wins and two playoff wins is not something to totally throw away after one bad season. We're also not privy to who behind the scenes was driving the Tunsil trade and o'line bandaids with castoffs from other teams as some sort of "plan." As someone said in the game thread, Caserio should be getting way more heat for his draft and FA misses at o'line. Plus his constant trades that have burned us depth-wise.

I don't think Demeco gets fired either but I'm so tired of his schtick. Listening to him in the post game presser telling us that "they're close". Close to what? close to being terrible? Getting beat by a horrific Jags squad in a rebuild should tell you that you're not close to much other than being 0-4.

Personally, I think you cut ties with Caley to salvage the season. This offense is going nowhere with him. It's like he forgot everything McVay taught him and reverted back to his NE days. I'd also like to move on from Casserio in the off season. This Patriot mentality has run its course. Rid yourself of any of that stench and start fresh. He's had a long time and a lot of rope to build something special and it seems like we're right back where we started (and possibly worse?)
 
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Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
We might need a new QB. Caserio has completely botched CJ’s rookie window. If we extend him it might look just like Jax where you wonder if he’s still the guy while he eats more cap

They might be forced to trade CJ and restart the clock with how they’ve mismanaged this.
We'll have to see how they respond the rest of the season. If they continue to fight and try to improve or not. Playoffs may be mathematically out of reach but I do think we can still win 7~8 games total if they don't totally collapse or Ryan's loses the team. Will need to use this time to evaluate Stroud the rest of the year and see if he can improve or show signs of being the future guy or growing from this. If there's any question by season's end if Stroud is the guy I hope they don't decide to go ahead and extend this next year. Who cares if he costs more waiting a year, it's better than being stuck with Tlaw's contract like the Jags are for the next 3 or 4 seasons.

I don't think Ryan's gets fired unless its a Kubiak or BoB type implosion the rest of the year. I get the frustration and anger with the obvious issues that aren't getting better, but two division wins and two playoff wins is not something to totally throw away after one bad season. We're also not privy to who behind the scenes was driving the Tunsil trade and o'line bandaids with castoffs from other teams as some sort of "plan." As someone said in the game thread, Caserio should be getting way more heat for his draft and FA misses at o'line. Plus his constant trades that have burned us depth-wise.

I don't think Demeco gets fired either but I'm so tired of his schtick. Listening to him in the post game presser telling us that "they're close". Close to what? close to being terrible? Getting beat by a horrific Jags squad in a rebuild should tell you that you're not close to much other than being 0-4.

Personally, I think you cut ties with Caley to salvage the season. This offense is going nowhere with him. It's like he forgot everything McVay taught him and reverted back to his NE days. I'd also like to move on from Casserio in the off season. I'm so tired of this Patriot mentality. Rid yourself of any of that stench and start fresh. He's had a long time and a lot of rope to build something special and it seems like we're right back where we started (and possibly worse?)
Agreed, didn't like Ryan's or Stroud's rhetoric this past week after the TB loss. Hopefully this gives them a wakeup call because we are essentially out of it now and they are going to have to be thinking of their jobs and their future. IDK when Caley and the o'line coach get canned but there's no way they last the full season at this rate.

Would love for Caserio to go, still think its ridiculous they kept him since he was tied in with all the Jack Easterby nonsense. But that's Cal McNair for you. Gonna be tough to bring in a replacement GM though, Caserio has also done a poor job managing the cap. We've got boatloads tied up next year in mediocre players like Tytus and Schultz and there's not much cap relief to cut them next year due to restructures and void years. Plus another $25MM in dead money thanks to void years on old guys he traded for that will be FA's (Kirk & Cam Robinson the two biggest.)
 
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A shocking development struck Houston airwaves today, as Aaron Wilson of KPRC2 reported that the Houston Texans released starting safety C.J. Gardner-Johnson:


Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL

#Texans released C.J. Gardner-Johnson after friction behind the scenes with him complaining about his role, wanting to blitz more, per league sources, and even communicating that he wanted to be traded. It didn't work out for him here. M.J. Stewart next man up expected @KPRC2


Aaron Wilson
@AaronWilson_NFL

#Texans released C.J. Gardner-Johnson after friction behind the scenes with him complaining about his role, wanting to blitz more, per league sources, and even communicating that he wanted to be traded. It didn't work out for him here. M.J. Stewart next man up expected
 
CJ Gardner Johnson gone. Another ill allotment of money by Caserio with the contract restructure. It's going to really suck when CJ and Anderson's rookie contracts are over.

edit: just seeing you beat me to it Greg lol
 
Whelp that was a quick season. 2018 Texans are the only team in the last 25 years to start 0-3 and make the playoffs. And I don't see lightning striking twice this year with our tough remaining schedule.

So which OT we drafting: Spencer Fano UT, Xavier Chaplin Auburn, or Kayden Proctor AL?

Although if we end up with a top 10 pick watch them draft Peter Woods at DT or something. Certainly a need and a good player but would be just like us to ignore o'line again.
We might need a new QB. Caserio has completely botched CJ’s rookie window. If we extend him it might look just like Jax where you wonder if he’s still the guy while he eats more cap

They might be forced to trade CJ and restart the clock with how they’ve mismanaged this.
We'll have to see how they respond the rest of the season. If they continue to fight and try to improve or not. Playoffs may be mathematically out of reach but I do think we can still win 7~8 games total if they don't totally collapse or Ryan's loses the team. Will need to use this time to evaluate Stroud the rest of the year and see if he can improve or show signs of being the future guy or growing from this. If there's any question by season's end if Stroud is the guy I hope they don't decide to go ahead and extend this next year. Who cares if he costs more waiting a year, it's better than being stuck with Tlaw's contract like the Jags are for the next 3 or 4 seasons.

I don't think Ryan's gets fired unless its a Kubiak or BoB type implosion the rest of the year. I get the frustration and anger with the obvious issues that aren't getting better, but two division wins and two playoff wins is not something to totally throw away after one bad season. We're also not privy to who behind the scenes was driving the Tunsil trade and o'line bandaids with castoffs from other teams as some sort of "plan." As someone said in the game thread, Caserio should be getting way more heat for his draft and FA misses at o'line. Plus his constant trades that have burned us depth-wise.

I don't think Demeco gets fired either but I'm so tired of his schtick. Listening to him in the post game presser telling us that "they're close". Close to what? close to being terrible? Getting beat by a horrific Jags squad in a rebuild should tell you that you're not close to much other than being 0-4.

Personally, I think you cut ties with Caley to salvage the season. This offense is going nowhere with him. It's like he forgot everything McVay taught him and reverted back to his NE days. I'd also like to move on from Casserio in the off season. This Patriot mentality has run its course. Rid yourself of any of that stench and start fresh. He's had a long time and a lot of rope to build something special and it seems like we're right back where we started (and possibly worse?)

Step 1: Get rid of Casserio
 
Times change. 18 months ago Caserio was a genius.

Not really. There were people who wanted him out 18 months ago. Go to page 1 and go down about 5 posts. You can find this post on the first page, we wanted him fired 3 years ago.



They need to fire the entire front office starting with Nick caserio and then anyone he hired.

They probably can keep the coaching staff in place for a year since the dumpster fire is not their fault, however next year the coaching staff needs to go as well.
 
Times change. 18 months ago Caserio was a genius.

Not really. There were people who wanted him out 18 months ago. Go to page 1 and go down about 5 posts. You can find this post on the first page, we wanted him fired 3 years ago.



They need to fire the entire front office starting with Nick caserio and then anyone he hired.

They probably can keep the coaching staff in place for a year since the dumpster fire is not their fault, however next year the coaching staff needs to go as well.

I see that.

I also see comments from others which aggregate to, approximately, 25% GM is great, 50% GM is doing ok, 25% GM needs to be canned.

Zooming out, Caserio was being uniformly slathered by the talking heads in big nfl media.

not sure why the o line has been neglected for so long (hello kindred spirit Bengals), but its a criminal offense at this point.
 
To be fair, I’d still trade the Eagles Green to get a few games of CJGJ. Green was that bad. Dead money is dumb, but I’d have traded Green for a bag of chips.
 
To be fair, I’d still trade the Eagles Green to get a few games of CJGJ. Green was that bad. Dead money is dumb, but I’d have traded Green for a bag of chips.

Eagles obviously valued locker room cohesion over anything CJGJ brought on the field. He's extremely talented, but there's a reason he continues to bounce around the league.
 
Espn article on the release, Obviously it's "sources" so have to take with a grain of salt but pretty detailed and pretty damning:


Quick quote:
Each of the Texans' three losses have been by a touchdown or less. At minimum, according to team sources, Gardner-Johnson has allowed three big plays in those games that have contributed to the opposing offense scoring touchdowns, adding that Gardner-Johnson has struggled to consistently guard the correct opposing player when required to "match coverage" based on the Texans' defensive call and the routes run by the offense, struggles that also occurred during walk-throughs in the lead up to games.
 
Counterpoint - All three have played two solid teams and one dud. The Ravens lost to the Bills & Lions, but took care of business against the Browns. The Chiefs lost to the Eagles & Chargers, but took care of business against the Giants. The Texans lost to the Buccaneers & Rams, but also blew it against a feckless Jaguars team.

The Ravens quite possibly have the biggest disappointment unit in the NFL this season (defense - wtf happened to them), but the Texans cannot score at all. We have 38 total points on the season. The season. That's the fewest in the NFL and four teams scored more points in just week 3 than the Texans have all season thus far.
 
Nick Caserio has had some weird offseasons. He goes from hero to zero like no GM I've seen in a while. When we pulled off CJ & WAJ he was golden. Even the year we got Sting, people were happy he realized the OL needed help and grabbed Green. We know how that turned out.

But my goodness this team is a disaster of the GM's making. Let's call a spade a spade, We hopefully have a much improved WR room, but we don't know because of how poorly the OL was constructed and plays. Our OC is not finding ways to score at all.

It's time. It's time to flat out purge the NE out of this team and be done with the final remnants of that regime. Lots of changes are likely needed, but I think we need to start at the top and jettison Caserio. Cal and Hannah need to look at the teams perpetually at the top of the draft board nowadays and see if we can grab some intelligence from those teams as a way to move forward.
 
Nick Caserio has had some weird offseasons. He goes from hero to zero like no GM I've seen in a while. When we pulled off CJ & WAJ he was golden. Even the year we got Sting, people were happy he realized the OL needed help and grabbed Green. We know how that turned out.

But my goodness this team is a disaster of the GM's making. Let's call a spade a spade, We hopefully have a much improved WR room, but we don't know because of how poorly the OL was constructed and plays. Our OC is not finding ways to score at all.

It's time. It's time to flat out purge the NE out of this team and be done with the final remnants of that regime. Lots of changes are likely needed, but I think we need to start at the top and jettison Caserio. Cal and Hannah need to look at the teams perpetually at the top of the draft board nowadays and see if we can grab some intelligence from those teams as a way to move forward.

Also, the guy doesn't like BBQ. That's enough reason for me. Don't let the door hit you and your sweater vest :bye:
 
Helllllo Houston. I hope you guys are good this Friday. I wrote a long thing about why I'm posting in your thread and hoping you'd welcome me for spending time doing this, and it's really because Nico is on my fantasy team and you guys have a cool homer thread, much like Detroit's. So I hope you don't mind but I went down a rabbit hole tonight and think I found some cool stuff to help you all either maybe understand your predicament a bit better or confirm what you all already know and have been hearing or reading. If you all already know this stuff cold and in more detail, my apologies. I'm sort of a frustrated Jets fan and would spend time on that, but our coach divulges nothing, nobody gives a rat's *** about our tendencies or dramatics and lousy start because we have no talent anyway, and I refuse to invest too much time into our team until we can be sure the owner's 18 year-old son Brick and his brother Jack aren't secretly running it or vetoing trades based on Madden ratings.

I'll start by just saying that I don't think CJGJ is long for any team he plays for. He seems unstable and disruptive everywhere he goes. I think it bled into his performance rather badly and the Houston guys on Twitter were both unsurprised and ready to ride him out of town with no compunction or concern for keeping his idiocy discreet. Who knows if this is true, but I've sort of followed him and everywhere he goes the defensive backfield seems to get hinky, although the 2024 season in Philly saw him tied for the league lead with six interceptions. He's been on four teams since 2019 and one of those teams twice. He's got issues. I watched an interview where he had sympathetic interviewers like Ryan Clark and a few other ex-NFLers and I just came away thinking he's got issues. I don't dislike him. He's just not a guy you can have or want on your team. His lack of professionalism bled onto the field this year in apparently very significantly ways, costing you guys a few touchdowns that you couldn't afford to give up in close games. The link below is a link to the Twitter post detailing the accusations/allegations (is allegations the right word here? - heh)


The OC of your team is certainly in the news. They thought they caught Ryans upset with him on Sunday, something Ryans denied. But what was interesting today was a beat reporter asking Caley why he was running the Patriots' offense when everybody but Tom Brady had failed trying to run it. Caley denied he was running a "copy" of the Pats' offense and said so


And that sounds legit, and the link below doesn't contradict his remarks, nor imply he's lying, but it does put more emphasis that their offense is based upon the Patriots' offense rather than the Rams because somebody dug through some coaching press conferences and found Todd Bowles, who knows a thing or two about defense, responding to a question from a reporter asking him the similarities between Atlanta and Houston's offense because of each OC's time with the Rams. Bowles quickly said and sort of corrected the premise by saying that, "Atlanta came from McVay" and then went on to say that "the Rams, even though they came from McVay, that was the Patriots system they were running." Bowles misspoke here and meant "the Texans"and not "the Rams."

He's saying it was indeed modeled after the Pats


So, it's interesting. Nate Tice, formerly of The Athletic, had this observation about the Patriots philosophy coming to the Texans


I would urge you to read his blurb over at Yahoo. Here's his take on the Texas Patriots

"New offensive coordinator Nick Caley had an interesting background with Belichick in New England and then with Sean McVay in Los Angeles. I was very curious how he would deploy his personnel, considering the stylistic differences that Josh McDaniels and McVay have. Would Caley prefer a motion-heavy offense with plenty of under center and 11 (one RB, one TE, three WR) personnel, or would he be more of a static “at you” offense featuring a fullback and downhill runs?

When the Texans added Christian Kirk and two Day 2 wide receivers from Iowa State in the draft, it seemed to me that they’d be leaning more toward a Rams style of attack. That was intriguing to me! But now that the games are mattering, it seems Caley has defaulted to something he feels more comfortable with, which is more static and more plodding. And it feels archaic.
https://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/articl...ker-chaos--the-biggest-moments-041855550.html
The Texans have used 21 personnel (two RBs, one TE, two WRs) on 23% of their early-down snaps this season. Is it a harbinger for how this offense will be deployed? Patriots tree favorite fullback Jakob Johnson made the roster and is actually playing. In fact, Johnson has played 40 offensive snaps so far this season, while third-round rookie Jaylin Noel has played a grand total of 41. And that was with Kirk missing time! While the “Patriots Way” is to let rookies earn their playing time, it’s a hard argument for Noel not to see the field when he’s also being tasked with the responsibility to return punts as well.

The Texans don’t even use play action to help balance out their tight offensive looks, ranking 28th in early-down play action rate. And they've been drastically better (at least relatively) when they trot out 11 personnel on early downs, with a 39% success rate (ranking 20th) compared to 30% in all other personnel groupings (31st).

Every facet improves when they get more speed on the field, from efficiency to explosiveness (9.3% to 13.3% explosive play rate, a jump from 17th to seventh). I feel like this shouldn’t even be much of a change from what Caley had been around with the Rams to the Texans' current personnel make-up. Just put your faster, better players on the field and figure out a way to make it work. Use those wide receivers!"


Tice's partner at Yahoo!, Charles McDonald, addresses Nick Caserio and the weirdness of how he built the line for the year.


I might continue or I might move on to other things, but thank you for letting me have part of your day and thread regardless of where this goes. Peace.
 
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After watching the SEA v. ARZ game it made me envious of those two offenses and their OCs with all the motion, slants and quick plays. Also makes me wonder why we didn't make a bigger effort to recruit Kubiak. He seems like the perfect match for us given the history and Houston roots. The only reason I can think of is Caserio standing in the way to bring in another NE protege. After the BOB debacle, you'd think he'd learn that rekindling an offense that once worked in the NFL 20 years ago with Tom Brady isn't the move here. What a waste of a season and CJ/Will rookie contract windows :kicksrock:
 

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