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How bad is LenDale White's Chris Henry problem? (1 Viewer)
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Chris Brown has alot more to worry about than Lendale at this point. The Titans have their Eddie George back and they're going to run him in the ground.Henry could be earning the role as the change of pace back, however.
Routilla
Footballguy
LW had 25 carries, CH had 4 against OAK. I'll stay with LW.
AtomicDogg97
Footballguy
Is Lendale White the unquestioned man now in Tenessee?
The only way Henry gets Lendale's carries is injury. Lendale is going to pound it in there 20-25 times a game, and he's had back to back excellent games running the ball. His job is in absolutely NO danger right now.
However, C.Brown could be on the outside looking in as I don't think the team plans to re-sign him fater the season, and they would be happy to give Henry all of C.Brown's role and leave Brown inactive instead of Henry if they believe that Henry can perform to the level Brown was performing. In the last two games he has, so there is a real chance that Henry steal's Brown's role in that offense for the rest of the year. Not a certainty, but a definite possibility.
However, C.Brown could be on the outside looking in as I don't think the team plans to re-sign him fater the season, and they would be happy to give Henry all of C.Brown's role and leave Brown inactive instead of Henry if they believe that Henry can perform to the level Brown was performing. In the last two games he has, so there is a real chance that Henry steal's Brown's role in that offense for the rest of the year. Not a certainty, but a definite possibility.
LionsFan78
Footballguy
Not a homer, but I would have to say no. LenDale has done enough to keep the job lately, and they've got more invested in LenDale as opposed to Henry anyway (as far as draft picks go).
From here on out, I'd still say definite committee, but with LenDale being the one to own, and Brown left out in the cold.
From here on out, I'd still say definite committee, but with LenDale being the one to own, and Brown left out in the cold.
Sack-Religious
Footballguy
From the play by play.
Tennessee Titans at 04:15
1-10-TEN 31 (4:15) 10-V.Young pass short right to 80-B.Scaife to TEN 35 for 4 yards (53-T.Howard).
2-6-TEN 35 (3:41) 25-L.White right guard pushed ob at OAK 38 for 27 yards (30-S.Schweigert).
1-10-OAK 38 (3:12) 25-L.White left guard to OAK 24 for 14 yards (53-T.Howard, 30-S.Schweigert).
1-10-OAK 24 (2:30) 42-C.Henry left end for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
LenDale White had 2 carries for 42 yards, back-to-back, he went to the sidelines for a breather as about 90% of RB's in the NFL would do and Chris Henry broke a big run that resulted in the score.
As others have indicated, Chris Brown should be more worried than LenDale.
Tennessee Titans at 04:15
1-10-TEN 31 (4:15) 10-V.Young pass short right to 80-B.Scaife to TEN 35 for 4 yards (53-T.Howard).
2-6-TEN 35 (3:41) 25-L.White right guard pushed ob at OAK 38 for 27 yards (30-S.Schweigert).
1-10-OAK 38 (3:12) 25-L.White left guard to OAK 24 for 14 yards (53-T.Howard, 30-S.Schweigert).
1-10-OAK 24 (2:30) 42-C.Henry left end for 24 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
LenDale White had 2 carries for 42 yards, back-to-back, he went to the sidelines for a breather as about 90% of RB's in the NFL would do and Chris Henry broke a big run that resulted in the score.
As others have indicated, Chris Brown should be more worried than LenDale.
flufhed
Footballguy
Always has been.Many of the Titans homers (at least me) were saying this back in June (sorry, I am not often out in front of the cuirve on things like this, so have to toot my horn when I am).The Titans coaching staff has alot invested in LW's success as the featured back. They stuck with him through a couple of rough games, and now that he has shown he can carry the full load and be dominate in a game, there is no turning back unless there is an injury. Once Chris Brown is healthy, he will likely slide back in as the change of pace back, and steall 5-10 carries a game (I think it would take a lot, short of injury, for Brown to be supplanted). Fisher likes vets. They like LW. They like a grind it out punishing big back.
-OZ-
Footballguy
Brown will be gone next year. White and Henry will be a solid RBBC. The new thunder and lightning. Henry isn't Tiki, but he has similar raw skills.
top dog
Footballguy
He had no other offers.
sho nuff
Footballguy
The Titans were unsure what they had in Henry and White really.Brown was kind of a last minute attempt to solidfy the RB position.And as someone else mentioned...he did not have any other offers.Looked good the first game.Lendale emerged.Brown is dinged up...
mtffl2
Footballguy
They were both 2nd round picks...
DawgPoundNJ
Footballguy
I own LenDale in both of my leagues, so I have a vested interest.
LenDale isn't a speedy guy by any means, but there are the little things that coaches take into account:
-He's an exceptional blocker.
-Although it appears that he is a "Need 1 yard get ya 3, need 5 yards, get ya 3" type of back, he's a bruiser who's built to wear down defenses in the second half. He doesn't shy away from contact.
-He actually isn't bad catching the ball.
And for the conspiracy theorists out there: Fisher, Chow and LenDale are USC guys so there is a bond there.
LenDale isn't a speedy guy by any means, but there are the little things that coaches take into account:
-He's an exceptional blocker.
-Although it appears that he is a "Need 1 yard get ya 3, need 5 yards, get ya 3" type of back, he's a bruiser who's built to wear down defenses in the second half. He doesn't shy away from contact.
-He actually isn't bad catching the ball.
And for the conspiracy theorists out there: Fisher, Chow and LenDale are USC guys so there is a bond there.
redman
Footballguy
Chris Brown is more valuable in dynasty where you have the hope that he signs with a team that will give him more of a shot to play than he has had in Tennessee in the last three years. That's not saying much though. I doubt he signs as an undisputed starter somewhere. At best he's comparable in value to guys like Betts, Rhodes, Turner, etc. He seems capable of more, but five or so years into his career I'm not sure how much better it can get for him.
BusterTBronco
Footballguy
How many yards rushing LenDale have this week?
EastBayFunk
Footballguy
The Titans seem to have found a formula that works. White is doing well. More importantly, the team has been winning games. I look for roughly an 80-20 split between White and Henry moving forward.
I don't expect Henry to pass White without an injury, but he does have some dynasty value since he has shown some flashes of talent.
I don't expect Henry to pass White without an injury, but he does have some dynasty value since he has shown some flashes of talent.
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
There is ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY NO DOUBT in my mind that the purpose of taking Henry was to have an option in the backfield that did things Lendale didn't do: catch the ball well and run fast. I imagine as Henry practices more and more, he'll be given more and more touches via receptions and 3rd down draws, etc. I think that Chow would ultimately like to have White do what he did at USC, and Henry do some of what Bush did at USC. Henry has looked good in VERY limited duty, but that may be enough to keep Brown on the sidelines for a while.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I completely agree. And because of that he is a perfect 3rd down back. He's Amp Lee.And talk about the perfect COP for the situation. With Lendale defenders can sit back and wait for the guy to come to him and do their best to bring him down which usually takes 3 yards to do. When Henry gets in there and a linebacker hesitates to wait for Henry to come to him, Henry makes a move and is gone. Defenders don't go barreling at Lendale in an attempt to put a good hit on the guy as they usually wind up as the loser in that battle. If they hesitate with a shifty guy like Henry, he gets the first move almost uncontested....
Federal
Footballguy
is it only henry's relative lack of college success that makes you view him as another fargas/someone that cannot sustain an offense being built around him? or is there more evidence (sincere question)? don't get me wrong, past performance is the best indicator we have to predicting future performance, but if this is his only knock then i am still very intrigued by henry. he is missing the opportunity for significant touches at this point, but my skepticism of white and brown lead me to think henry will get his chance to carry the load at some point within the next calendar year. his exceptional physical gifts (graded out with AD at the combine), draft position, lack of solidified starters ahead of him (debatable), a run oriented offense with a franchise qb that wont pass for more than 250 yards in a game, a strong defense, and his first 15 carries in the NFL (100+ yards 2 TD's) has me believing that henry is currently a small gamble with tremendous dynasty upside who may end up being one of those players that pays big dividends and changes the face of your fantasy roster for years to come if you can recognize it now.-FEDERAL
redman
Footballguy
At this point in their respective careers, there's no doubt that Henry > Fargas in terms of fantasy value (particularly in dynasty). Fargas is what he is at this point, while Henry may surprise us. How many times, though, are we going to base NFL prospects on combine numbers. The NFL is filled with supreme athletes who don't pan out. The difference is more mental than physical. At this point the only similarity that Henry has to AP is combine numbers. One has to ask why a guy with such eye popping measurables got such little playing time in college, no? It's not like he came from a program that was loaded with outstanding talent such that he could get lost in a numbers game, like Gore at Miami for example. How many NFL starting RB's or even primary backup RB's have such a pedigree?
strong
Footballguy
I agree that the Titans were hedging their bets in the backfield by selecting Henry, but... White is already a very good 3rd down back so I don't think Henry's role will ever be exclusively that. White blocks extremely well and he has pretty solid hands. Henry does run faster and could be a very nice COP back for White but, from what I've watched already, he's got a long way to go to become a better option on 3rd down back than White. A long long way. Until he gets there, expect him to simply spell White from time to time and get 5-10 carries a game...Colin Dowling said:
Federal
Footballguy
because he catches the ball well and runs fast he is amp lee? seriously? henry has 30 llbs on lee. I can think of a couple other RB's that caught the ball well but had more similar size/speed ratios that might be a better fit for comparison. i am not a henry defender, trying to keep an open mind here and find out why this guys stock is so low for dynasty purposes. henry outperformed lynch in 6 categories at the combine and bested AD in five of them. henry posted the fastest time in the 40-yard dash @ 4.40 seconds, had the longest effort in the broad jump (10 feet, 7 inches), and did 26 repetitions in the 225-pound bench press.i know this doesn't always translate to on-field performance, there are workout heroes and football zeros. but physical ability it is a critical starting point when making an evaluation. I guess what I am trying to say is that chris henry has the physical tools to be an elite NFL back (not amp lee), no debate. does he have the mental makeup, i don't know. why didn't he excel in college, i don't know. will he get a chance as the featured back in tennessee, i think so. if so, will he perform at an elite level, average level, or become amp lee? so far i don't buy the amp lee comparison, but would appreciate it if someone could provide insight as to why henry is not a prime candidate to become a top nfl rb in 2008. am i missing something with lendale white? is he actually good enough to hold henry off for another year (sincere question)? or again, maybe i am missing something with henry?TheFanatic said:Colin Dowling said:I completely agree. And because of that he is a perfect 3rd down back. He's Amp Lee.And talk about the perfect COP for the situation. With Lendale defenders can sit back and wait for the guy to come to him and do their best to bring him down which usually takes 3 yards to do. When Henry gets in there and a linebacker hesitates to wait for Henry to come to him, Henry makes a move and is gone. Defenders don't go barreling at Lendale in an attempt to put a good hit on the guy as they usually wind up as the loser in that battle. If they hesitate with a shifty guy like Henry, he gets the first move almost uncontested....
Colin Dowling
Footballguy
My words probably should have been chosen better: I expect to see Henry in packages and situations that are "non standard". I think White is the bellcow, 22 carry a game, off-tackle guy. I think henry is a guy they hope to be able to take in motion from the backfield to the slot or stand next to VY in the zone-read formation, etc. I think he'll work his way to 8-12 touches a game in the next season or two while White continues to be 18-25 a game depending on circumstances.
Federal
Footballguy
i have the same questions regarding his lack of college performance, it's troubling but not a deal breaker for me. and looking back on fargas' performance at the combine i better understand the comparison. does anyone have other examples of NFL RB's that were combine freaks, with little production in college or as a pro?redman said:
or how about a shining star from the combine, with little NCAA production (non-injury or depth chart issue), that has emerged as a productive NFL RB?
ThePittbully
Footballguy
Yea with two consecutive 100 yard games Lendale is proving to the Titans more and more he is there man. Henry is proving to be a nice complement but I don't think thats going to be a real threat to Lendale, at least not at the moment. Who knows, in the future we may see more of a RBBC but now I think its just Lendale with Henry getting 5-10 a game. I think Chris Brown's spot is in real jeopardy here, and he may have already lost it. I actually dropped Brown in my 16 team league last night in favor of Ryan Grant
I'm not sure I see the Fargas comparison. Justin Fargas was one of the most sought-after recruits coming out of HS. There was a huge debate as to who the #1 RB recruit in the country was between him and DeShaun Foster. Fargas didn't produce much in college because of injury, not because of a lack of football talent. And, when given the chance midway through his 5th year in college, he did very well. It's almost like people forgot about him because of the injury and subsequent transfer from Michigan. He then had a great combine, and Huggy Bear, Jr. became a "combine star." But, the football skills were there.Chris Henry, on the other hand, was never a star (or starter) at RB at any level (including HS). He couldn't get on the field at Arizona. He then had a huge combine and became a "combine star." But, because he has never produced at any level, nobody has any idea whether the football skills are there.
TheFanatic
Footballguy
I don't know if Lee, I mean Henry, can handle the pounding that Fischer likes to impose on his RB's. He likes a one cut bruiser. Henry may not be a 3rd down back in another system (particularly a West Coast O), but in this system he is nothing more than Amp Lee with more potential. I'll admit the guy has talent but the league is littered with busts that had all kinds of talent.
Henry has nothing in common with Amp Lee in running style or body type. They are complete opposites.That said it's pretty clear that this year LenDale White is the man in Tennessee as long as he's healthy.Agree with the other posters that Henry will be COP 5-8 carries a game and a catch or two.
Look as a fan who watches every game and has been with the Titans and coach fisher since the beginning, I can tell you this. Fisher would not sit Henry for White if Henry had the makings to be a top 5 RB. That is the dumbest thing I have heard that White will get 25 carries a game no matter what. That makes NO sense.
If Henry has it in him to be a super star then he will get carries. It is rediculous to say he will get 5 carries no matter what.
The problem is no one including Fisher knows if he can do with 30 carries what he does with 4 or 5. Until White gets injured and Henry gets a shot at 20+ carries he will have to wait patiently. But, if they see he has the ability to pump out 180 yard games with a couple TD's, they will not run White just to control the clock and get thier 3 yards. WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT. It is too soon to tell, but Henry has infinitely more value than Brown right now.
If Henry has it in him to be a super star then he will get carries. It is rediculous to say he will get 5 carries no matter what.
The problem is no one including Fisher knows if he can do with 30 carries what he does with 4 or 5. Until White gets injured and Henry gets a shot at 20+ carries he will have to wait patiently. But, if they see he has the ability to pump out 180 yard games with a couple TD's, they will not run White just to control the clock and get thier 3 yards. WE STILL HAVE TO WAIT. It is too soon to tell, but Henry has infinitely more value than Brown right now.
Federal
Footballguy
...because he has never produced at any level, nobody has any idea whether the football skills are there.
this statement is plain, simple, and true. it goes a long way in helping me understand henry's current value. i get geeked up about finding the next big fantasy player and sometimes i miss the obvious and just need someone to hit me on the head with a simple truth such as this, thank you.
that being said, i am still fascinated, or at the very least, intrigued with henry. he is an unknown with all the tools. he is playing behind a less than stellar RB with work ethic issues. if i had more faith in white, this would be a non issue. but white is improving and if he continues to do so, henry's chance may dissipate as well as my current infatuation.
ConstruxBoy
Kate's Daddy
Henry was drafted in the 2nd round, Fargas in the 3rd. Pick #50 and Pick #96 respectively. Using wdcrob's great RB model, Henry is a 4B while Fargas is a 3. Big differences between them based on those factors.
