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How do you feel about Cutler now? (current info on pg 46) (1 Viewer)

'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
 
'Psychopav said:
'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
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I hear what you are saying - and agree to a point. My question is, why do they have to wait until they're getting their butts kicked for an entire half before making adjustments? They opened the game with the same horrible "drop back deep and get sacked" play they started against the Colts with. If they would have tried to establish the run in the FIRST half - maybe even starting with the first play - things might have gone quite differently.
 
'DoubleG said:
'Psychopav said:
'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
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I hear what you are saying - and agree to a point. My question is, why do they have to wait until they're getting their butts kicked for an entire half before making adjustments? They opened the game with the same horrible "drop back deep and get sacked" play they started against the Colts with. If they would have tried to establish the run in the FIRST half - maybe even starting with the first play - things might have gone quite differently.
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Good point. First half was all play calling (after the terrible O line of course).
 
'B-Deep said:
that lineman should have flatened cutlermaybe part of the problem is the bear's oline is a bunch of kittens who let qbs push them around
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Funny you say that, I was trying to lipread what Cutler was saying to Webb coming off the field, definitely an F bomb.After he bumped Webb, you could see Webb with a huge grin on his face. Almost like a big F U Cutler......Almost like there is a total lack of respect towards him.
 
This game plan was a joke. You can blame Tice and Lovie for that "prime time" poop!

Where the ^%&$ was the pounding smash mouth game that we should have seen in the offensive play book? The Colts were the air attack. On the road, the Bears should have pounded Bush on them as he looked like he could have done something else besides that cascade of nonsense that we saw last night.

You are on the road at your rivals house YOU COME OUT AND PUNCH SOMEONE IN THE MOUTH TO GET SOME YARDS!

Jay Cutler was just a sitting duck last night. This team better start to gain a ruputation for coming out to ram the ball down your throat RIGHT NOW. It seemed to work well last year before the injuries. Forte, Bush and this OL better learn how to get nasty.

 
'CletiusMaximus said:
I've heard Aaron Rogers say in interviews that he'll yell at his teammates for mental mistakes like breaking routes or pre-snap stuff but not when they are just getting beat by a better player. That seems like a professional approach to leadership. What is the point of berating a teamate during the game who is simply getting beat physically by a superior player? This is especially true when Cutler was the one calling out the opposing DBs before the game then throwing 4 picks.
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I've heard Rodgers say the same thing. He can forgive physical mistakes but has a hard time with the mental mistakes as that is a result of lack of preparation and there is no excuse for not being prepared.
 
'Psychopav said:
'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
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Wat? There were hardly any halftime adjustments made. I don't know why you think that. It was an awful called game from beginning to end. They gave up on the run very early. A large amount of the pass plays were slow developing and deep. The Pack took away the deep ball, and instead of pounding the ball and throwing short or dump off passes, they continued to drop back and heave it deep, even after Jay was getting murdered and not playing well himself. Awful awful play calling. Any fool would know you can't play the Pack like you do the Colts, well, almost any fool. There's plenty of blame to go around, but it starts with the coaching staff. Same story every year...pretty much.
 
'flapgreen said:
'Psychopav said:
'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.

Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
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Wat? There were hardly any halftime adjustments made. I don't know why you think that. It was an awful called game from beginning to end. They gave up on the run very early. A large amount of the pass plays were slow developing and deep. The Pack took away the deep ball, and instead of pounding the ball and throwing short or dump off passes, they continued to drop back and heave it deep, even after Jay was getting murdered and not playing well himself. Awful awful play calling. Any fool would know you can't play the Pack like you do the Colts, well, almost any fool. There's plenty of blame to go around, but it starts with the coaching staff. Same story every year...pretty much.
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Sorry flap, I have to agree with Psychopav here. In the second half the Bears did clearly make an effort to get Bush the ball and did seem to adjust somewhat. They also hit the TE on the only TD of the night (a relatively quick shot). Unfortunately, I think they didn't do it nearly enough, as they were to enticed by the new weapons they had on the outside.
 
I'd love to get a pocket clock on that #####.

webb's supposed to keep matthews off his ### for 6 seconds while he pulls the ball down and looks all over trying to figure out what to do.

why doesn't peyton manning take 7 sacks?

because he knows wtf he's going to do before the ball is snapped, and if he sees something in the pre-snap defense he doesn't like he makes pre-snap adjustments.

then when the ball is snapped all he has to do is throw the ball.

I have no idea wtf cutler+n is thinking about while he knows matthews is gonna be on his ### in about 2.8 seconds.

maybe suckler needs to put in a little more work with his receivers so they're on the same page.

webb should've beat his whiny ### down on nat'l tv.

 
'DoubleG said:
'flapgreen said:
'Psychopav said:
'DoubleG said:
'Raider Nation said:
I don't study the Bears all year, so help me understand something. If Webb is indeed as awful as everyone says he is, and Chicago can't find a competent replacement, how do you not just play 10-on-11 the entire game and keep a TE in to help him? It seems like Cutler + time to throw is better than Cutler + no time to throw, even though you'll be at a numbers disadvantage in the secondary.
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:goodposting: Ask Mike ####### Tice. Or Mike "I don't MAKE adjustments" Tice. Or Mike "This is our gameplan - it worked LAST week" Tice.
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I disagree with this.Lovie and Tice made good halftime adjustments (like Lovie historically has). They got the run going, they got some passes going. Second half was more about Cutler & his receivers not making things happen imo.

Also, as the last 2 years showed, the O Line will improve. The sucky thing is that the Bears would be an elite offense if they had addressed this issue this (or even last) offseason like they should have.
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Wat? There were hardly any halftime adjustments made. I don't know why you think that. It was an awful called game from beginning to end. They gave up on the run very early. A large amount of the pass plays were slow developing and deep. The Pack took away the deep ball, and instead of pounding the ball and throwing short or dump off passes, they continued to drop back and heave it deep, even after Jay was getting murdered and not playing well himself. Awful awful play calling. Any fool would know you can't play the Pack like you do the Colts, well, almost any fool. There's plenty of blame to go around, but it starts with the coaching staff. Same story every year...pretty much.
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Sorry flap, I have to agree with Psychopav here. In the second half the Bears did clearly make an effort to get Bush the ball and did seem to adjust somewhat. They also hit the TE on the only TD of the night (a relatively quick shot). Unfortunately, I think they didn't do it nearly enough, as they were to enticed by the new weapons they had on the outside.
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Trying to establish the run for two drives in the 3rd quarter is not what I consider much of an adjustment, much less a "good" halftime adjustment. The coaching staff looked lost most of the time.
 
'Franknbeans said:
I get a little twinge in my side when I start Cutler which I will next week at home against the Rams.
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You and me both. I swore after Thrusday, I would never start him again for the rest of the year. I woke up Friday morning, and said ok he gets the nod against St. Louis. I am a glutten for punishment.
 
'Sienna2012 said:
'Franknbeans said:
I get a little twinge in my side when I start Cutler which I will next week at home against the Rams.
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You and me both. I swore after Thrusday, I would never start him again for the rest of the year. I woke up Friday morning, and said ok he gets the nod against St. Louis. I am a glutten for punishment.
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The Rams defense isn't really that bad. Much improved from last year under Fisher. They now have two very solid CBs in Finnegan and Janoris. Laurinatis is a very good MLB. Quinn and Long form a nice front 4. Stafford and the Lions were thrown off their game by them. I wouldn't call Cutler an autostart.
 
I've never participated in this thread, but notice it bumped multiple times per year after both great and horrible games. Wildly inconsistent would seem to be the key phrase to describe Cutler.

 
I have a tip this is a short window but this was not expected to be "the year" and that a playoff appearance would be a successful season. Next off season and draft look for some major o-line improvements, when brass does expect to be super bowl contenders. I'll be targeting Cutler in all my drafts next season as my QB1. He will be Stafford 2011/ Ryan 2012 value next season.

 
First of all, Cutler held the ball way to long on a lot of plays(like he always does). I think he still thinks he can throw his way out of anything. As the game goes on he becomes more and more desperate and it gets worse. Also, I'm not sure if it was because he was running around and throwing off balance, but his arm strength seemed less. No?? Adjust the meds again maybe?? Without the zip he's like Carson Palmer with worse decision making. Not good.

 
'two_dollars said:
I have a tip this is a short window but this was not expected to be "the year" and that a playoff appearance would be a successful season. Next off season and draft look for some major o-line improvements, when brass does expect to be super bowl contenders. I'll be targeting Cutler in all my drafts next season as my QB1. He will be Stafford 2011/ Ryan 2012 value next season.
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It's not merely a question of supporting cast. Cutler is very much a finished product, an extremely talented player who has serious flaws in his game. No improvement in o-line or receiving corps is going to stop the guy from throwing off the wrong foot or staring down WRs. He's a average decision maker at best and doesn't offer much in the way of rushing yards or rushing TDs. And don't forget, unless the Bears bring in one of the game's finest offensive minds to coach that offense next year, you're still stuck with Mike Tice as his coordinator. I'm sorry you haven't figured this out yet.
 
Im thinking about dropping him for Fitzpatrick or Dalton in my start 1 QB leagues. Good thing Roethlisberger is playing well.

 
'Statcruncher said:
'Hairy Snowman said:
Just chiming in on "how I feel" about Cutler now.

I think that a leader leads by example. A leader in professional football is over the last play as soon as it happens, good or bad. It is always about the next play. Always.

I understand him being frustrated because he was essentially being beaten up by Clay Matthews. Like living Matthew's Bighead commercial only he doesn't go away when other people are there.

But I can't imagine Favre yelling at his O Line (embarrassing his O-Line) on National TV. Or Montana. Or Brady. Or any other winning QB. It just doesn't make someone want to go to hell and back for you.
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You're exactly right. That IS a leader. Watch the video. Watch the respect they have for each other when talking about the incident. Watch to the end of the video when a few minutes after the shouting match they get up and apolgize to each other and hug. I'm gald you posted that video to show the difference between Cutler and other QBs.Cutler will break down his teammates - but never build them back up (unless it's a media spot where he's supposed to thank the team). When the going gets rough - Cutler blames teammates. Hell, here in Denver he got booted out of so many country clubs/golf clubs because he couldn't even get along with fellow members & staff. I'm not surpised it's carrying over to Chicago.

In Cutler's mind his #### doesn't stink. Yet I can smell it hundreds of miles away...

 
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cutler put 3 points in the bank --- wtf does he need to hear from tice?

dude's lucky he didn't get bumped.

 
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'Mister Martie said:
'Raider Nation said:
'flapgreen said:
'Raider Nation said:
'domvin said:
Did i just see cutler ditch his offensive coordinator when tice sat down next to him. BS move by cutler....
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Yep. Worst guy ever.
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That was embarrassing.
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God, he's such a doosh. Great shtick though.
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Biggest crybaby in the history of the nfl. Happy when he wins, and crys and pouts when he loses. Total jerk!!!!!!!!!!!
 
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