How do you feel about Cutler now? (current info on pg 46) (1 Viewer)

[KCitons]

I could see them signing him as a FA though. When do they need to cut him by to save money?

not really a great option, but it costs them $10MM more if they hold onto him through March 12th.

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2014-12-18/jay-cutler-contract-salary-cap-release-trade-options-bears-guaranteed-money-benched-clausen-trestman-emery

if they cut him prior to March 12th, it costs them $19.5MM against the cap and $16.5MM in cash (minus whatever he gets in a new deal I guess).

if he's still a Bear after March 12th, $10MM of his $16MM 2016 salary also is guaranteed.

much better for them if they can find any team to take on this horrible contract in a trade. maybe they should offer up other picks/players as a sweetener.

Throw in Chris Conte, he'd run through a wall just to play in the NFL.

 

[KCitons]

I am starting Case Keenum over Cutler [SIZE=14.4444446563721px]this week[/SIZE][SIZE=14.4444446563721px] [/SIZE]with confidence.

You guys are looking at this all wrong. The Bears M.O. is to play terrible for 3 quarters, then produce garbage points in the 4th quarter. I predict Clausen and Fales will both be knocked out of the game shortly after halftime. Leaving all the gravy time for Cutler.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

Speaking Thursday, Jay Cutler said he hopes to remain with the Bears beyond 2014, but admitted that it's "definitely" crossed his mind that he may have played his final game in Chicago.

Admitting he was disappointed by the first benching of his football-playing career, Cutler was realistic about his future in the Windy City. Cutler's seven-year, $126.7 million deal will get labeled as impossible to trade, but that's not necessarily true in a league so starved for quarterback talent. It will only take one team to believe it has what it takes to jump-start Cutler's career. Releasing Cutler isn't a realistic option for the Bears, as they'd absorb $19 million in dead money. Cutler is due a fully guaranteed $15.5 million in 2015.

Source: Jeff Dickerson on Twitter

Dec 18 - 3:29 PM

 

[cvnpoka]

Why on earth would anyone want this headache? So sick of hearing about his arm talent. Great... he's got a strong arm.

He's also a turnover machine with the added bonus of being a pouting diva who looks like he couldn't possibly care less about improving his game.

bc hes better than most qbs in the league. try being a browns, raiders, jets, titans, vikings etc fan.

 

[Dizzy]

Why on earth would anyone want this headache? So sick of hearing about his arm talent. Great... he's got a strong arm.

He's also a turnover machine with the added bonus of being a pouting diva who looks like he couldn't possibly care less about improving his game.

bc hes better than most qbs in the league. try being a browns, raiders, jets, titans, vikings etc fan.

Most? No man... I'm sure that's not the word you were looking for there.

 

[Raider Nation]

Why on earth would anyone want this headache? So sick of hearing about his arm talent. Great... he's got a strong arm.

He's also a turnover machine with the added bonus of being a pouting diva who looks like he couldn't possibly care less about improving his game.

bc hes better than most qbs in the league. try being a browns, raiders, jets, titans, vikings etc fan.

Most? No man... I'm sure that's not the word you were looking for there.

And it doesn't matter how dire your QB situation is. Try to develop a young QB over an old, bitter malcontent. There is no team out there who is "just a Jay Cutler away from winning a Super Bowl." Mainly because the guy is a born loser.

 

[cstu]

Why on earth would anyone want this headache? So sick of hearing about his arm talent. Great... he's got a strong arm.

He's also a turnover machine with the added bonus of being a pouting diva who looks like he couldn't possibly care less about improving his game.

bc hes better than most qbs in the league. try being a browns, raiders, jets, titans, vikings etc fan.

Most? No man... I'm sure that's not the word you were looking for there.

And it doesn't matter how dire your QB situation is. Try to develop a young QB over an old, bitter malcontent. There is no team out there who is "just a Jay Cutler away from winning a Super Bowl." Mainly because the guy is a born loser.

Cardinals.

 

[BRONG]

Cutler's struggles this year really show what a great coach Shanahan is.

So true. And honestly, I think Cutler will never come close to reaching his full potential unless he works with another like-minded offensive coach like that. He has the tools, but needs to be reigned in and coached HARD.

Good coaching would help, for sure. Getting some timing down would help. Not having Devin Hester getting OJT as his #1 wr would help.I think the perception that Cutler needs to be reigned in comes from the high number of passing attempts again this season, something Jay doesn't control. He is third again in passing attempts this year behind Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. I think Jay Cutler's going to be a great quarterback, but he doesn't need to be throwing as many times in his first year with a new offense, new line, and young, new receivers as Tom Brady is throwing to Moss and Welker. He just doesn't. Jay Cutler doesn't call the plays, though. Maybe Ron Turner needs to be reigned in.

Put in perspective, Cutler is on pace to throw 90 more attempts this year than Troy Aikman had in any season of his career. Do you think that this number of attempts encourages or discourages teams to put six and seven in coverage? If you chose encourage, you are correct. Mixing in a few delay draws and rb screen passes would help, and that is up to Ron Turner and Lovie Smith.

Hey Papa Cut, how's your boy stack up against say, Rodgers, in the red zone?

Rodgers 30 TDs 1 INT

Not that the red zone really counts for anything...yardage is KING!

What are the odds VanCutlerManLoveFan comes back with his boy's red zone stats?

Aaron Rodgers is a very good player.Compare how many touchdowns Aaron Rodgers has in 5 years compared with how many Jay Cutler has in four years. Jay didn't get three years to sit in a baseball cap and study the offense. He actually got to play.

While I don't have the redzone stats right in front of me, I acknowledge that Jay has struggled particularly in the red zone. Some of that is him struggling once he gets there, pressing a bit, and some of it is the other team not respecting the run game for the Broncos last year or the Bears this year. He'll do better going forward as he matures, the skill players mature and the team around him gets better.

Cutler is not the perfect quarterback in the perfect situation right now, but I think people are selling him short and not giving him enough credit. Matt Stafford had a tough game today. Kurt Warner had a tough day a few weeks ago. That doesn't mean they stink. It means they had bad games. One thing that statistics do is force you to take a long term perspective. There haven't been that many quarterbacks who have played as well as Jay has through his first four years. He has set some records, gone to a pro bowl and done very, very well. I anticipate that he will do well going forward also.

 

[Sabertooth]

Cutler is not the problem. The latest ne is absolutely pathetic. I think gruden nailed it too about the lack of leadership.

 

[Phlash]

Cutler is not the problem. The latest ne is absolutely pathetic. I think gruden nailed it too about the lack of leadership.

See, I hate this. He's absolutely part of the problem.

Josh McCown of all players managed to look better than Jay Cutler did, even last year. Cutler is a bad QB who gets his tires pumped because he displays some physical characteristics required to play the position. He has bad decision making. Very bad. How can anyone like this guy so much?

 

[Statcruncher]

Cutler is not the problem.

Only a Green Bay fan would say that.

 

[sho nuff]

Cutler is not the problem.

Only a Green Bay fan would say that.

Well...or a Lions fan...or Vikings fan.

We love Cutty...he is super awesome.

You can't teach arm strength man...

 

[Jeremy]

Cutler is not the problem.

Only a Green Bay fan would say that.

Well...or a Lions fan...or Vikings fan.

We love Cutty...he is super awesome.

You can't teach arm strength man...

He makes enough plays that you think he's juuuust about ready to finally put it all together if only he had a little better offensive line, or a better defense, or WRs that ran better routes. Even smart people are being fooled.

Sadly, the Bears seem to finally be figuring it out. Sad day for fans of the other teams in the NFC North.

 

[yoman]

He makes enough plays IN GARBAGE TIME that you think he's juuuust about ready to finally put it all together if only he had a little better offensive line, or a better defense, or WRs that ran better routes. Even smart people are being fooled.

Sadly, the Bears seem to finally be figuring it out. Sad day for fans of the other teams in the NFC North.

Fixed

 

[BillyJoeBob]

Now, a prominent Chicago radio station host is saying the reason the Bears have benched Jay Cutler is because they have a deal lined up with the Tennessee Titans.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

2:49

now I'll bet he really looks sad

not as sad as titans fan, though

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

btw, is eric ferguson that doosh on 101.9 in the am?

 

[Dizzy]

Now, a prominent Chicago radio station host is saying the reason the Bears have benched Jay Cutler is because they have a deal lined up with the Tennessee Titans.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

Rumor mills will be working overtime for sure. There was mention on NFL Network last night that (regardless of what may happen in the off season) should Cutler sustain a serious injury in 2014, he would be guaranteed an additional $10 million per his contract... and of course that was speculated as the reason for his benching (pointing the finger towards a GM decision versus Kevin Costner's).

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Now, a prominent Chicago radio station host is saying the reason the Bears have benched Jay Cutler is because they have a deal lined up with the Tennessee Titans.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

Rumor mills will be working overtime for sure. There was mention on NFL Network last night that (regardless of what may happen in the off season) should Cutler sustain a serious injury in 2014, he would be guaranteed an additional $10 million per his contract... and of course that was speculated as the reason for his benching (pointing the finger towards a GM decision versus Kevin Costner's).

here's his contract situation

 

[sho nuff]

Now, a prominent Chicago radio station host is saying the reason the Bears have benched Jay Cutler is because they have a deal lined up with the Tennessee Titans.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

Not sure why the Titans would deal for him.

I get the Vandy thing...but not sure if people realize how small of a fan base Vandy has. Its not a big school and the alums are not all just hanging out waiting to buy tickets and merchandise.

 

[Max Power]

Now, a prominent Chicago radio station host is saying the reason the Bears have benched Jay Cutler is because they have a deal lined up with the Tennessee Titans.

http://national.suntimes.com/national-sports/7/72/353271/jay-cutler-tennessee-titans/

Not sure why the Titans would deal for him.

I get the Vandy thing...but not sure if people realize how small of a fan base Vandy has. Its not a big school and the alums are not all just hanging out waiting to buy tickets and merchandise.

I'd assume its a 7th round draft pick. And probably worth the investment to a team who thinks they can fix him.

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

ESPN's Adam Schefter reports several unnamed NFL executives believe the Bears may have to give up a draft pick in order to trade Jay Cutler.

Still owed a guaranteed $25.5 million on the seven-year deal signed last offseason, Cutler's contract appears to be trade prohibitive. Schefter's sources believe the Bears could offset the big guarantees by offering Cutler AND a draft pick to prospective trade partners. NFL rules dictate the Bears would have to receive some compensation in return, but Chicago could get around the rule by accepted a late-round pick in exchange for Cutler and a better pick. It would be a high price to pay to offload a talented quarterback, but with coach Marc Trestman likely finished after the season, Chicago may simply press the reset button.


Source: Adam Schefter on Facebook
Dec 20 - 11:21 AM

 

[flapgreen]

Shefter just rambling

 

[FairWarning]

Cutler is not the problem. The latest ne is absolutely pathetic. I think gruden nailed it too about the lack of leadership.

See, I hate this. He's absolutely part of the problem.

Josh McCown of all players managed to look better than Jay Cutler did, even last year. Cutler is a bad QB who gets his tires pumped because he displays some physical characteristics required to play the position. He has bad decision making. Very bad. How can anyone like this guy so much?

Spot on.

 

[daveR]

The best QB we've had in CLE, since 1999, is Brian Hoyer. Yes, I would take Cutler!

 

[tdmills]

Cutler is not the problem. The latest ne is absolutely pathetic. I think gruden nailed it too about the lack of leadership.

If you watched tape, you wouldn't come to this same conclusion. I've written two x's n o's articles that outline cutler as the problem. Not the weapons...or the ol ( both excuses used in the past) at some point cutler is who we thought he was.

 

[Max Power]

Look... Cutler is what is he is.... A middle of the road QB... If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

The Bears have had major holes for years... Put Cutler on Buffalo, Cleveland, St.L,, Arizona, or Houston and you have a team that might win a ship....

He is the Anti Alex Smith... Trade the two for each other and which team wins? KC or Chicago..?

 

[Raider Nation]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

Based on what, exactly? If Cutler is the answer, I don't want to know what the question is.

 

[Kool-Aid Larry]

Cutler is not the problem. The latest ne is absolutely pathetic. I think gruden nailed it too about the lack of leadership.

If you watched tape, tv you wouldn't come to this same conclusion. I've written two x's n o's articles that outline cutler as the problem. Not the weapons...or the ol ( both excuses used in the past) at some point cutler is who we thought he was.

link articles, plz

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

That is the opposite of my thinking. The way I see it...

If you have 1-15 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

If you have a 15-1 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

 

[destro]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

That is the opposite of my thinking. The way I see it...

If you have 1-15 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

If you have a 15-1 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

This sounds clever and catchy and all, but it's pretty difficult to explain how a player can be both simultaneously +6 wins or -8 wins. I hope you're just hugely exaggerating your point that you don't believe Cutler is a winner.

And, of course, Cutler has lead the Bears to a winning season multiple times, so, that doesn't really help your analysis here either. He was 27-13 as the starter from 2010-2012.

 

[Dizzy]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

That is the opposite of my thinking. The way I see it...

If you have 1-15 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

If you have a 15-1 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

This sounds clever and catchy and all, but it's pretty difficult to explain how a player can be both simultaneously +6 wins or -8 wins. I hope you're just hugely exaggerating your point that you don't believe Cutler is a winner.

And, of course, Cutler has lead the Bears to a winning season multiple times, so, that doesn't really help your analysis here either. He was 27-13 as the starter from 2010-2012.

So you're opposed to blaming Cutler for recent losses, but ready to credit him with those wins from a couple years back?

Hard to imagine that anyone in the Shark Tank knows Cutler better than his coaches... and they're not too high on him right now.

 

[cvnpoka]

i dont think too many qbs would be winning with this defense playing the way it has been.

In nine games against the Bears, Aaron Rodgers, Tom Brady, Matt Stafford, Ryan Tannehill, Tony Romo, Brees and even EJ Manuel and Teddy Bridgewater have combined to complete 136-of-167 of their passes in the first half (82.6 percent), for 1,638 yards, 21 touchdowns and no interceptions

 

[flapgreen]

You're not allowed to post anything in favor of Cutler in here bro.

 

[Ghost Rider]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

That is the opposite of my thinking. The way I see it...

If you have 1-15 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

If you have a 15-1 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

This sounds clever and catchy and all, but it's pretty difficult to explain how a player can be both simultaneously +6 wins or -8 wins. I hope you're just hugely exaggerating your point that you don't believe Cutler is a winner.

And, of course, Cutler has lead the Bears to a winning season multiple times, so, that doesn't really help your analysis here either. He was 27-13 as the starter from 2010-2012.

His 61-57 record as a starting QB shows that you can win with Cutler, but you are rarely gonna win because of Jay Cutler. What's odd is as bad as he has played this year, only six quarterbacks had thrown more TD passes than him this year coming into this week, but of course many of those came in garbage time of games the Bears got blown out in, and who can forget all of those turnovers he has committed? It's true that the Bears D stinks, and Trestman has proven to be a ####ty NFL head coach, so this disaster of a season is not all Cutler's fault, but what has been magnified is what a terrible leader he is. To be a great QB, you have to be a good leader, and Cutler is the complete opposite of that. He has the physical tools, but lacks the intangibles. His body language most of the time just screams "mopey malcontent."

 

[Faust]

Rotoworld:

NFL Network's Ian Rapoport passes along the Titans as a potential trade partner for Jay Cutler.

It seems like RapSheet is spitballing here -- he didn't cite any sources -- but the Titans are quarterback needy, and Cutler played college ball at nearby Vanderbilt. Attempting to develop Zach Mettenberger remains high on coach Ken Whisenhunt's priority list. That said, Cutler shouldn't cost more than a mid- to late-round draft pick based on the overwhelming salary he is due.

Related: Titans

Source: Ian Rapoport on Twitter

Dec 21 - 9:46 AM

 

[destro]

If you have 23 starters ready to make a play for a championship.... Cutler is the answer.

That is the opposite of my thinking. The way I see it...

If you have 1-15 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

If you have a 15-1 team, Cutler may be able to take you to 7-9.

This sounds clever and catchy and all, but it's pretty difficult to explain how a player can be both simultaneously +6 wins or -8 wins. I hope you're just hugely exaggerating your point that you don't believe Cutler is a winner.

And, of course, Cutler has lead the Bears to a winning season multiple times, so, that doesn't really help your analysis here either. He was 27-13 as the starter from 2010-2012.

So you're opposed to blaming Cutler for recent losses, but ready to credit him with those wins from a couple years back?

Hard to imagine that anyone in the Shark Tank knows Cutler better than his coaches... and they're not too high on him right now.

Well, no, I'm not. I didn't say that, so I'm not sure why you would assume as much. My point was that his post was way over the top and inaccurate. It doesn't mean I think Cutler gets a pass for this year.

He's played poorly this year, for sure. I don't think it's a coincidence, though, that almost everyone on offense has played poorly, the personnel is pretty much identical, the entire organization is in complete disarray, and every time Trestman has run an NFL offense, he experiences a precipitous drop off in year two. Few QBs would be successful in this situation, if any. It doesn't excuse him making the situation worse than it could be, though.

I even said earlier in this thread that he's an obviously flawed qb. He definitely gambles way too much, especially when the Bears get down 2+ scores. He has a tendency to snowball bad games by trying to win back points after he's made turnovers. He doesn't throw the ball away enough. He does have a great arm and is surprisingly mobile, though, and strings together several really good games virtually every season where you think he might be taking the next step. I would put him around average in NFL terms; better than roughly half of the starters right now. He's in no way elite, but I think there's a chance better coaches could get more out of him.

You have to ask yourself how much different Cutler's performance would be if he was ever working within an actual competent NFL offense. The OCs in Chicago have been horrific since he's been in Chicago (and many years before that, really). Terry Shea, Mike Tice, Senile Mike Martz, Marc Trestman - these guys are all terrible. What would he be like if he had stuck with Shanahan for a few more years? Or if the Bears ever gave Lovie a real shot at hiring a competent OC?

Who knows. Right now, though, he's just average, which, in NFL QB terms, really isn't that bad. There's only a few humans on the planet who can be a passable QB in the NFL, and he's one of them.

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

 

[cvnpoka]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

but cutler was very productive

 

[destro]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

Well, obviously, I was talking about the coordinators and scheme, not the talent at receiver or RB. You're right that Cutler has been a constant for the Bears over the last several seasons - and the the offense looked great last season, second in scoring in the NFL. This year they are miserable, with virtually all personnel and coaches the same. How do you explain that? He was totally lucky all those games? He's suddenly way worse than last year?

Or could it be the NFL adapted to Trestman's offense and he has no counter? Could it be related to the fact that every Trestman offense is far worse in year two? Could the fact that the entire organization is a complete mess have something to do with the Bears surprising offensive struggles? What about the fact that the Bears have won with Cutler in the past, with far less talent on offense around him? Why is this season different?

Pinning it solely on Cutler is a major mistake. He's flawed and average, to be clear, but the biggest problems on that team are found in the coaching staff and front office.

 

[Maurile Tremblay]

That's how it's done. :clausen:

 

[fantasycurse42]

If I was a GM, I would demand an RG3 like deal (just worse) to take Cutler..

I'll give you a 7th and you give me Cutler and your entire draft in 2015, 2016, and a 2017 3rd rounder.

 

[fantasycurse42]

I feel Clausen looks like a better prospect and I would rather trade for him.

Those are my feelings as of 3:05 PM EST on 12/21/14.

 

[cstu]

Bears would have won with Cutler today.

 

[Dizzy]

Bears would have won with Cutler today.

Really? Or you just stokin' fires?

 

[fantasycurse42]

Bears would have won with Cutler today.

Would've lost by at least 14

 

[Ghost Rider]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

Well, obviously, I was talking about the coordinators and scheme, not the talent at receiver or RB. You're right that Cutler has been a constant for the Bears over the last several seasons - and the the offense looked great last season, second in scoring in the NFL. This year they are miserable, with virtually all personnel and coaches the same. How do you explain that? He was totally lucky all those games? He's suddenly way worse than last year?

Or could it be the NFL adapted to Trestman's offense and he has no counter? Could it be related to the fact that every Trestman offense is far worse in year two? Could the fact that the entire organization is a complete mess have something to do with the Bears surprising offensive struggles? What about the fact that the Bears have won with Cutler in the past, with far less talent on offense around him? Why is this season different?

Pinning it solely on Cutler is a major mistake. He's flawed and average, to be clear, but the biggest problems on that team are found in the coaching staff and front office.

Right, but even last year, a career backup named Josh McCown outplayed Cutler big time. In fact, it wasn't close.

Besides, I already said it is not all Cutler's fault, so don't put me in the camp of those pinning it all on him. I just think he has failed one too many times now. He had a stacked offense this year and still couldn't play well. This is who he is.

 

[Steeler]

Bears would have won with Cutler today.

Would've lost by at least 14

Would have been down by 28 and then Cutler would have moved the ball in garbage time to score 2 meaningless TDs from an NFL POV.

 

[cvnpoka]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

Well, obviously, I was talking about the coordinators and scheme, not the talent at receiver or RB. You're right that Cutler has been a constant for the Bears over the last several seasons - and the the offense looked great last season, second in scoring in the NFL. This year they are miserable, with virtually all personnel and coaches the same. How do you explain that? He was totally lucky all those games? He's suddenly way worse than last year?

Or could it be the NFL adapted to Trestman's offense and he has no counter? Could it be related to the fact that every Trestman offense is far worse in year two? Could the fact that the entire organization is a complete mess have something to do with the Bears surprising offensive struggles? What about the fact that the Bears have won with Cutler in the past, with far less talent on offense around him? Why is this season different?

Pinning it solely on Cutler is a major mistake. He's flawed and average, to be clear, but the biggest problems on that team are found in the coaching staff and front office.

Right, but even last year, a career backup named Josh McCown outplayed Cutler big time. In fact, it wasn't close.

this is just dumb.

 

[fantasycurse42]

Oh, come on. An actual competent NFL offense? Yeah, having a top RB, two great WRs and a very good TE is just awful, isn't it? Being surrounded by talent like that is a dream for a QB, and if they had a QB worth a damn, they'd be lighting up the scoreboard every week. Sorry, but Cutler doesn't get a pass for this year. He had everything in place to succeed, and he still couldn't. Trestman might be a terrible head coach, but he is not a terrible OC. You can blame the various OCs all you want, but the one constant is Cutler, and he's had more than enough chances to step up, yet he repeatedly fails to, despite always having good talent at the skill positions around him.

Well, obviously, I was talking about the coordinators and scheme, not the talent at receiver or RB. You're right that Cutler has been a constant for the Bears over the last several seasons - and the the offense looked great last season, second in scoring in the NFL. This year they are miserable, with virtually all personnel and coaches the same. How do you explain that? He was totally lucky all those games? He's suddenly way worse than last year?

Or could it be the NFL adapted to Trestman's offense and he has no counter? Could it be related to the fact that every Trestman offense is far worse in year two? Could the fact that the entire organization is a complete mess have something to do with the Bears surprising offensive struggles? What about the fact that the Bears have won with Cutler in the past, with far less talent on offense around him? Why is this season different?

Pinning it solely on Cutler is a major mistake. He's flawed and average, to be clear, but the biggest problems on that team are found in the coaching staff and front office.

Right, but even last year, a career backup named Josh McCown outplayed Cutler big time. In fact, it wasn't close.

this is just dumb.

McCown played lights out, it wasn't even close.