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How does drafting at #4 change with the Portis Injury? (1 Viewer)

Bovine Swami

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My draft isn't until the 30th so I fully acknowledge that there is a ton of time for things to change, but what does the group think about strategy at this point? Specifically, I have a 12 team league that scores 6pts for all TDs, 1/10 rushing+receiving, 1/25 passing, and 1pt/catch. We also start 1QB, 2RB, 2WR, TE, K, D, Flex(QB/WR/RB).

Three days ago, I was a lock to take Portis with the #4 pick. I saw Portis and Tiki as having the same probable production, with Tiki having downside and Portis having upside. Tiki's downside comes from his age and the number of carries (esp on the goal line) that Jacobs is likely to get. Portis' upside comes from the increased receiving weapons and the addition of OC Saunders.

Now I am in a quandary. I really, really don't want to take Tiki. Call it a gut feeling, call it bad vibes or whatever. I think the options at #4 for me boil down to these:

1. Portis. Pray that the injury is not as serious as we think it is and he misses at most Week 1. And while you are down on your knees, pray the injury doesn't crop up later in the season. No matter what, you MUST handcuff Betts with Portis during the draft and that will probably cost you a fairly high pick if there are other sharks in your league.

2. Barber. Here you need to sacrifice a bucket of KFC and tequila to whatever gods you follow that Jacob's fumbling problems continue and Tiki gets more goal line carries. And hope that Tiki keeps up the same production that he has shown over the last 4 years.

3. Manning. Guaranteed to put up a ton of points week in and week out, especially with 6pts per TD. That would pretty much secure the same amount of fantasy production per week as a stud RB. The downside is that when you DO get to pick a RB your options will be much more limited.

4. Westbrook. In a PPR league like mine he has been gold the past couple years. I actually had him last year with my 2nd round pick. When healthy, he will get a ton of touches and it looks like that trend will continue again this year. But once again, he is a little banged up and you will probably only get 13-14 games out of him (at best).

5. Jordan. Last year the guy was an animal. And it looks like he will be given the load again this year with a HC that loves to pound the football. The problem is we don't know if last year was a fluke or not.

Overall, I think I have to go with Tiki here. Like I said, I really have a bad feeling but I think that is the only sure bet without sacrificing much value.

Thoughts from the pool?

 
I'm in the same boat. Number 4 pick, and this is a dynasty league, initial draft.

I'm still leaning towards Portis, but obviously, there are questions.

There is no way Jordan or Westbrook are worth #4 at all!! In fact I would probably go with SJax, Caddy, or RBrown if I decided to go away from Portis, and that's assuming LJ, LT, and SA go it the top 3.

I don't think Barber will sustain his top 5 RB numbers.

 
No love for Edge?

Granted, the line in 'Zona may be questionable, but Fitz/Boldin/Warner should take serious heat off of him. I like Westbrook, but once again, he is showing himself to be injury prone. Now, he should be fine for the start of the season, but I have James ranked ahead of him.

I guess it all depends on your league's scoring rules.

Tiki would be a good choice. I would pass on Manning, as the depth of quality running backs is quite thin and you'd be hard pressed to find that talent in the late second/third round. Take Tiki and supplement him with a solid wide or good back in round two. Your options at qb should be fine, as Delhomme, McNabb, Hasselback, Brady, Green, etc should be available afterwards.

 
I've got the 4th pick and was all set to take Portis. My draft isn't until 9-4, so plenty of time for something to change, but barring that, I have no idea what I'll do. Barber scares me, because our league isn't ppr and in fact only get a pt every 25 yds rush/rec, so TD's weigh heavily and Tiki may not get many. Steven Jackson is interesting with the fact that Linehan has had a top rushing attack in the past and seems committed to the run. The worry with him is that when Linehan was in Minny, he had Moe Williams as the goal line back and now Moe's in St. Louis. Was this because he didn't have a goal line back, which Jackson could certainly be(he seemed to have a nose for the endzone and has the size) or is this his MO elsewhere?

 
Ditto here for me. I drew the #4 slot and was thrilled. I knew I would get anyone of Portis, LJ, LT or Alexander. I completely agree with you concerning Tiki. 400 touches 2 years in a row for a 30 something RB? No thanks. I think I may have talked myself into SJax at #4 if I can not trade down to the 8,9 or 10 spot.

 
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would you draft him at 9? i have the 9th pick...afraid to pull the trigger if he is there....
No way I wouldn't touch him till the 4th round.:rolleyes:Not saying this is nothing but it's not like he shredded his ACL. I might hesitate at 4 and go Tiki but probably not. Plus all RBs I draft get hurt anyway so I figure now he has his out of the way.I really hope the rest of my league shies away from him though. :)
 
I'm in the same boat. Number 4 pick, and this is a dynasty league, initial draft.I'm still leaning towards Portis, but obviously, there are questions.There is no way Jordan or Westbrook are worth #4 at all!! In fact I would probably go with SJax, Caddy, or RBrown if I decided to go away from Portis, and that's assuming LJ, LT, and SA go it the top 3.I don't think Barber will sustain his top 5 RB numbers.
I have the 4spot (out of 12) on 8/25. Barring any craziness between then and now, I am going Manning.Portis is dinged, Tiki is gray in the muzzle (I don't see top 5 numbers either) and SJax is tempting, but he is a late 1st round pick at best . I just can't pass on Manning (no pun intended). Caddy and Ronnie are all 2nd round picks -- hopefully one of them slide to me in the 2nd rd..
 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Ditto here for me. I drew the #4 slot and was thrilled. I knew I would get anyone of Portis, LJ, LT or Alexander. I completely agree with you concerning Tiki. 400 touches 2 years in a row for a 30 something RB? No thanks. I think I may have talked myself into SJax at #4 if I can not trade down to the 8,9 or 10 spot.
The 30-something RB rule doesn't apply to Tiki because he has not had the work of a typical 30-something RB. You were thrilled to get a shot at either LJ, LT2, SA, or Portis. Then you say you've talked yourself into SJax. Then you say that trading down is your main goal. So which is it? I think you have every scenario covered where you can say you got what you wanted.
 
BigRed said:
einstein2u said:
would you draft him at 9? i have the 9th pick...afraid to pull the trigger if he is there....
No way I wouldn't touch him till the 4th round.:rolleyes:Not saying this is nothing but it's not like he shredded his ACL. I might hesitate at 4 and go Tiki but probably not. Plus all RBs I draft get hurt anyway so I figure now he has his out of the way.I really hope the rest of my league shies away from him though. :)
Me too. This might be the break I need. I'm in an all flex league. We're doing dice rolls (irony server) to determine draft order. I started out as the 3rd pick with 8 guys rolled. I was almost certain that I would get one of the top 4 guys. The last 3 guys to roll have bumped me down and now I'm at 6. Maybe Portis will slide to #6 now.
 
HULLOBUDMAN said:
Ditto here for me. I drew the #4 slot and was thrilled. I knew I would get anyone of Portis, LJ, LT or Alexander. I completely agree with you concerning Tiki. 400 touches 2 years in a row for a 30 something RB? No thanks. I think I may have talked myself into SJax at #4 if I can not trade down to the 8,9 or 10 spot.
The 30-something RB rule doesn't apply to Tiki because he has not had the work of a typical 30-something RB. You were thrilled to get a shot at either LJ, LT2, SA, or Portis. Then you say you've talked yourself into SJax. Then you say that trading down is your main goal. So which is it? I think you have every scenario covered where you can say you got what you wanted.
Maybe I no speak Engrish so well but I thought my post was pretty clear.Option 1- trade down to 8-10Option 2- talking myself into draft SJax because with Portis hurt I am assuming that the other 3 will not be thereTo clarify, before the Portis injury I WAS thrilled. Not so much now. I guess that's why I posted in this thread on how things had changed.Edited to say:Regarding Tiki, you are correct. Not many 30 something RBs have received over 400 touches the last 2 seasons. That is why I have a bad feeling about him.
 
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In a non-PPR league this injury changes nothing for me. Edge is my pick at #4. If I am drafting out of the 5-7 spot, I would strongly consider trying to move up to ensure that I get Edge because of the uncertainty of who will be picked.

 
2. Barber. Here you need to sacrifice a bucket of KFC and tequila to whatever gods you follow that Jacob's fumbling problems continue and Tiki gets more goal line carries. And hope that Tiki keeps up the same production that he has shown over the last 4 years.
Jacob's was the goal line back last year for the Giants, so what makes this year so different other than Tiki is one year older, and Jacob's has a season of experience? To me there isn't that much difference in Tiki's situation from last year to this year.
 
In a non-PPR league this injury changes nothing for me. Edge is my pick at #4. If I am drafting out of the 5-7 spot, I would strongly consider trying to move up to ensure that I get Edge because of the uncertainty of who will be picked.
Talk about uncertainty -- Edge in Arizona -- much more uncertain as to Portis' rate of production which may be curtailed for Week 1 and Week 2 but should be okay after that.Arizona has done nothing to upgrade the worst O-line for RBs in the league last year. Edge's stock is SIGNIFICANTLY lower than 2005.
 
I'm in the same boat. Number 4 pick, and this is a dynasty league, initial draft.I'm still leaning towards Portis, but obviously, there are questions.There is no way Jordan or Westbrook are worth #4 at all!! In fact I would probably go with SJax, Caddy, or RBrown if I decided to go away from Portis, and that's assuming LJ, LT, and SA go it the top 3.I don't think Barber will sustain his top 5 RB numbers.
In a dynasty league, I remind myself that Tiki is likely to retire after this season. He's said as much on the Barber Shop on Sirius Radio.
 
Leading up to us picking our draft slots, I was like... #4, #4, #4... #4. Well, we picked our slots last night, and it was.... #4. Now, I'm in the same boat as the original poster in that I'm not sold on Tiki.

Right now I'm leaning towards SJax, but will wait to see what the news is on Portis prior to our 8/26 draft. I would love to trade down, but our league doesn't allow draft spot trading (weak I know, but dem's da rules).

 
Leading up to us picking our draft slots, I was like... #4, #4, #4... #4. Well, we picked our slots last night, and it was.... #4. Now, I'm in the same boat as the original poster in that I'm not sold on Tiki.Right now I'm leaning towards SJax, but will wait to see what the news is on Portis prior to our 8/26 draft. I would love to trade down, but our league doesn't allow draft spot trading (weak I know, but dem's da rules).
So with so many questions about Tiki's future and Edge's new role in AZ, why not go with a sure thing?Peyton Manning is that sure thing! :football:
 

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