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How long before computers act on their own? (1 Viewer)
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bostonfred
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On the off chance that you're high right now and you're kind of freaking out about this, I'd like to remind you of cookies and boobies.
I dont think it will happen for an extremely long time if ever
The only thing computers have over the brain is computing math quickly. They cannot think creatively and spatially
One brain is more complex than all the computers on the planet and has had millions of years to develope. Even one cell is likely more complex due to its ability to evolve
Computers will always be bound by programming and cant evolve on their own. The only way it could happen is to built 1 computer on par with a human brain so that computer can build and evolve more
Anyone smart enough to develope a computer like that will know the risks and probably wont be crazy enough to do it
The only thing computers have over the brain is computing math quickly. They cannot think creatively and spatially
One brain is more complex than all the computers on the planet and has had millions of years to develope. Even one cell is likely more complex due to its ability to evolve
Computers will always be bound by programming and cant evolve on their own. The only way it could happen is to built 1 computer on par with a human brain so that computer can build and evolve more
Anyone smart enough to develope a computer like that will know the risks and probably wont be crazy enough to do it
jamny
Footballguy
Thanks.
That does help.
But I'm neither high nor freaked. I just heard a discussion recently on cnbc about how computers are nearing this point. They almost don't need our help anymore. They are solving their own problems.
Thats horse poop. Solving whst problems? More math?
If they start developing their own fuel sources and mining and machining their own parts then its time to worry......because those are their real problems
I think a far more interesting question is "How long before human beings no longer need physical bodies to survive and thrive?"
Bodies are mortal. Bodies are FAR more limited by the laws of biology, chemistry, and physics. Imagine never aging or dying. Imagine being able to travel anywhere, at the speed of light (faster, if we can ever develop worm holes). Imagine not needing food, water, etc. to survive. Essentially, imagine humans becoming computers (rather than the other way around...which seems to abstractly be what the OP is driving at).
Sounds ridiculous. However, there are a lot of extremely talented scientists researching and working on this very thing. And more than a few of them think we might be within a few generations of accomplishing exactly that. We'll all be dead and gone! But our grandkids or great-grandkids might be able to visit the moon in a matter of seconds. Mars in about four minutes. Other solar systems in about four and a half years.
Bodies are mortal. Bodies are FAR more limited by the laws of biology, chemistry, and physics. Imagine never aging or dying. Imagine being able to travel anywhere, at the speed of light (faster, if we can ever develop worm holes). Imagine not needing food, water, etc. to survive. Essentially, imagine humans becoming computers (rather than the other way around...which seems to abstractly be what the OP is driving at).
Sounds ridiculous. However, there are a lot of extremely talented scientists researching and working on this very thing. And more than a few of them think we might be within a few generations of accomplishing exactly that. We'll all be dead and gone! But our grandkids or great-grandkids might be able to visit the moon in a matter of seconds. Mars in about four minutes. Other solar systems in about four and a half years.
I agree that nearly immortal cyborgs are far more likely to happen than autonomous computers evolving without humans
They were programmed to do that with human input. They are just running more advanced algorythms to create more complex data profiles
Its still just math. They are still just fancy abacuses
No I said its unlikely. We know so little about the human brain. Until we know everything about brain function it isnt possible to build a computer on par with one
Abraham
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First, you are confusing math logic with data logic. Computers are able to locate and qualify relationships between data. As more data is understood relative to other data points, the speed of this understand will accelerate. At the point where it accelerates past the speed of human data processing , computers will exceed human intelligence.
All of that is based on math. Math a rigid system which is why they can be programmed to compute it so fast. That is the only area they excel beyond us
They do not possess any degree of creativity or spatial reasoning. They are only expanding math formulas in to even larger formulas and connecting them along mathematical criteria
There is nothing amazing and threatening to us going on except the humans using the data the computer is gathering
So creativity doesnt exist? It is just another formula?
I think there are far bigger forces at play that we yet no nothing about. We know of thinhs in the universe where our math systems break down
I disagree. Math is a tool to measure and predict things but is not the basis of everything. There are mathematical sequences that are infinite which points to it being an imperfect measuring tool at that
We can use math to understand how a flower blooms or a cell divides but that does not mean math created the flower and cell
As well as many other things. And until those things are figured out how can a scientist claim that computets are close to becoming what we are?
I want to make 1 thing clear. I am not trying to refute the opinions presented on the subject. They have a valid place in the equation
I simply believe that equation to be too grand in scope to be answered by one scientific philosophy
I am an atheist but not a nihilist. I believe there is more to our minds than numbers
I simply believe that equation to be too grand in scope to be answered by one scientific philosophy
I am an atheist but not a nihilist. I believe there is more to our minds than numbers
That doesnt mean they will enevitably become us. A computer can be programmed to build more powerful computets and so on and so on but they will all still be bound by the original programming
We cannot create a computer than can achieve sentience because we still dont know what it means to be sentient
Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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Long Ball Larry
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The earth's top 500 supercomputers combined are 3 times as powerful as a human brain: http://www.rawstory.com/rs/2012/06/18/earths-supercomputing-power-surpasses-human-brain-three-times-over/
I read of one yesterday that was 250k and drives kids around campus at colleges. It has to follow the same route and it wasn't as advanced as googles. IIRC Google's uses 3D technology to drink in a scene they're driving through and adjust.
My concern is jobs and computers. A tech can repair many computers so it's not like a 1:1 ratio where if we replace an employee with a computer, there winds up being a new employee repairing it.
These fancy cars, why pay a taxi driver then?
IIRC each computer operated car is electric. Being how our economy/gov't has so much invested in the oil industry, how will this work out?
That 250k car has to become more affordable for any significant economic impact and we'll have to be able to test that as it wears down and malfunctions it doesn't start running into people and crashing into other cars and such.
ETA link http://vr-zone.com/articles/french-company-selling-driverless-navia-vehicle/70458.html
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Long Ball Larry
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Of course these are all legitimate points. I was trying to address the factual inaccuracies in his post.
But also consider that in 2003, many were likely wondering about the point of smartphones, questioning their abilities and their prices. 10 years later and there are over 1 billion in use.
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What functions do they perform better than a human brain besides math?
Can these supercomputers paint a picture or compose a song?
This car does not possess anywhere near the epatial reasoning of s human. It tollows its route and is cautious of normal obstacles
Csn this car evade the police across highways, fields and woods?
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