How much of a buy low is Arian Foster now? (1 Viewer)

[LargeMouthBass]

Well, I just traded David Nelson + Mark Sanchez for Foster (in a start 2QB league), so you can definitely find owners who are willing to sell.

Just offered SJAX and Hernandez for Foster. Was trying to get rid of Tate, but going the other way now possibly.

What is this? Two injured players for one injured player BS...

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

Well, I just traded David Nelson + Mark Sanchez for Foster (in a start 2QB league), so you can definitely find owners who are willing to sell.

Just offered SJAX and Hernandez for Foster. Was trying to get rid of Tate, but going the other way now possibly.

What is this? Two injured players for one injured player BS...

unpack this for me please

 

[by_the_sea_wannabe]

i traded Fitzpatrick and Dez for Foster and Hines Ward. I have Big Ben and Newton at qb still. I am 0-2 and in last place in points scored , so I'll take the gamble.

 

[ready5]

for me, the emergence of tate means that foster has the chance to get completely healed.

it's a long season and we've barely started, so i'm not at all worried about foster's prospects. he's still the most talented back on the roster.

 

[Cenobite]

I would be surprised if many foster owners are to the point of wanting to sell. Its 2 weeks in with a lot of play left left and those who own Foster know how dominant he can be. As frustrating as it is right now, I take the silver lining from it. the Texans are being smart because they have the luxury right now but I can foresee a fresh Arian Foster running rampant over some teams in November and December.

However, last year Foster was pretty much the lone ball carrier in the game. This year, given his hamstring issues I could certainly see Tate getting lots of carries to spell Foster every 3rd series and when the Texans are up big. Tate is too good a talent not to be used with some consistency. Tate's emergence will cut into Foster's touches and, in turn, will impact his fantasy value. I just don't get the feeling Foster will post similar numbers as last year even when he does get healthy.

this is the post i think that will keep Foster from being traded to YOUR team

I am quite okay with that. Unless you have a crystal ball that actually works, we can only speculate whether Foster will have the same success as last year. I, for one, do not think so. Sure, he will have great games but last year every game for him was pretty much special. I think the Texans will be smart and won't ride him like last year due to his hammy issue and because Tate is a good rb.

 

[Zeff]

for me, the emergence of tate means that foster has the chance to get completely healed.it's a long season and we've barely started, so i'm not at all worried about foster's prospects. he's still the most talented back on the roster.

I'm not sure he was the most talented back on the roster LAST year. He wasn't going to win that job from Tate. He was simply the only guy left standing in a RB's dream job. Bellcow back in a high-powered offense with plenty of rushing attempts, plenty of goalline work, and the universe's best FB. That's the reason there were threads last year, late in the pre-season, when lots of people were rushing Foster up the draft boards, and lots of people were thinking they were crazy. Now, nobody expected the windfall that came. But the evidence said, even before the season, that outrageous production (if it came) was going to have plenty to do with opportunity.I'm not going to pretend I called a complete drop off the cliff for Foster before the year. But I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you're ignoring that possibility now. He may very well be the second best RB in a far less inspiring role this season. It's not a "buy low" op I'd be bending over backwards to explore.

 

[Warrior]

Just traded Santana Moss and Daniel Thomas for Arian Foster.

.5 PPR

I think it was pretty fair. lots of risk involved with owning Foster. being 2-0, I can take that risk. On the flip side, if I was 0-2, I'd probably be trading him away.

 

[ready5]

for me, the emergence of tate means that foster has the chance to get completely healed.it's a long season and we've barely started, so i'm not at all worried about foster's prospects. he's still the most talented back on the roster.

I'm not sure he was the most talented back on the roster LAST year. He wasn't going to win that job from Tate. He was simply the only guy left standing in a RB's dream job. Bellcow back in a high-powered offense with plenty of rushing attempts, plenty of goalline work, and the universe's best FB. That's the reason there were threads last year, late in the pre-season, when lots of people were rushing Foster up the draft boards, and lots of people were thinking they were crazy. Now, nobody expected the windfall that came. But the evidence said, even before the season, that outrageous production (if it came) was going to have plenty to do with opportunity.I'm not going to pretend I called a complete drop off the cliff for Foster before the year. But I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you're ignoring that possibility now. He may very well be the second best RB in a far less inspiring role this season. It's not a "buy low" op I'd be bending over backwards to explore.

we disagree. tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy. but then, i've been scouting foster for a while, having picked him up as a rookie almost a year before all the hype hit last preseason. you say 'nobody expected the windfall', but this guy did.foster has not hit his cliff. he has the luxury of healing completely and then will push tate to a secondary role. we're still looking at some sort of RBBC for most of the season and foster's benchtime will probably drop him out of the top-10, but barring further injury, foster should have elite production by midseason.

 

[rocketsauce]

I've just come to grips with the fact that I'm holding Foster. Can't get anything close to what I feel is a reasonable offer for him (Moreno/Caddy? Come on!) and I do still believe when he gets Healthy, he will be the man, or at least on the good side of a small RBBC. I gave some thought to acquiring Tate, but that owner wants Dez Bryant at a minimum, and I'm not doing that for a stopgap to a healthy Foster. I hate the idea of owning both once Foster IS healthy. So I'm eating it, and sitting him until he gets back in a game AND finishes it. Not ideal, but I made my bed and have to sleep in it.

 

[howo5]

Where is Foster's value right now? I contemplating trading Ingram for Foster. Not sure who would win in that deal tho.

 

[Cenobite]

Where is Foster's value right now? I contemplating trading Ingram for Foster. Not sure who would win in that deal tho.

Seriously? Foster's not dead, he's hurt.

 

[unckeyherb]

tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy.

Is this really a fact? Through week two last year, Foster's line was a studly 300 rush/76 rec/3TDs (75% of which was done to a terrible Indy defense in week 1). Through two weeks this year Tate's stat line is 219 rush/32 rec/1 TD-not studly but damn good. I guess I'm simply not convinced yet that Tate is any worse than Foster in this system-a system that made Slaton a stud when given the majority of carries. I see either a complete time share or the dreaded 'ride the hot hand' type of games for these two once Foster is healthy. JMO

 

[We Tigers]

tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy.

Is this really a fact? Through week two last year, Foster's line was a studly 300 rush/76 rec/3TDs (75% of which was done to a terrible Indy defense in week 1). Through two weeks this year Tate's stat line is 219 rush/32 rec/1 TD-not studly but damn good. I guess I'm simply not convinced yet that Tate is any worse than Foster in this system-a system that made Slaton a stud when given the majority of carries. I see either a complete time share or the dreaded 'ride the hot hand' type of games for these two once Foster is healthy. JMO

Stats aren't really the argument here, but you probably shouldn't have chosen an example wherein Foster had 50% more yardage and 3 times as many TDs. Let's also not forget that Tate played an equally awful Colts D in week 1, albeit sharing with Ward early.The comparison is, I think, more coming from those of us who've watched both play at length. Tate's a load to bring down and a fine runner. Foster is all that, but also crazy elusive and with excellent vision. While Tate has been excellent, his long rush so far is 13 yards. Foster had a 14-yarder before he left Sunday's game, and had at least one rush over 13 yards in 13 of 16 games last year. If I weren't on my smartphone, I'd be adding all sorts of bold and italics to that figure. Watching Foster, you can see him find those holes almost effortlessly.I know there's a very small sample size on Tate, but it's that kind of explosiveness and consistency that has me and several others still considering a healthy Foster the best back in Texas.

 

[Shutout]

tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy.

Is this really a fact? Through week two last year, Foster's line was a studly 300 rush/76 rec/3TDs (75% of which was done to a terrible Indy defense in week 1). Through two weeks this year Tate's stat line is 219 rush/32 rec/1 TD-not studly but damn good.

I guess I'm simply not convinced yet that Tate is any worse than Foster in this system-a system that made Slaton a stud when given the majority of carries. I see either a complete time share or the dreaded 'ride the hot hand' type of games for these two once Foster is healthy. JMO

Playing against the same Indy team, Foster had a much better game 9and it can be argued that tate should have had even more of an advantage because this year, the Texans had that game in COMPLETE "sit on the lead" mode by halftime).So, if the system is what is making the players (Slaton, foster, Tate), I would think that all we have to compare on is that one game against the common opponent and Foster clearly won that one. Not a perfect comparison but since people seem hell bent on doing it; might as well compare the red apples to the green apples as best we can.

In the opener against Indy last year in a tight game, Foster put a stamp on the league that he was here.

In the opener against Indy in a blow out dominated by runs in the ssecond half, Tate did what Ward was doing until he sprained his ankle.

For me, I side with the incumbent.

 

[Shutout]

tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy.

Is this really a fact? Through week two last year, Foster's line was a studly 300 rush/76 rec/3TDs (75% of which was done to a terrible Indy defense in week 1). Through two weeks this year Tate's stat line is 219 rush/32 rec/1 TD-not studly but damn good.

I guess I'm simply not convinced yet that Tate is any worse than Foster in this system-a system that made Slaton a stud when given the majority of carries. I see either a complete time share or the dreaded 'ride the hot hand' type of games for these two once Foster is healthy. JMO

Stats aren't really the argument here, but you probably shouldn't have chosen an example wherein Foster had 50% more yardage and 3 times as many TDs. Let's also not forget that Tate played an equally awful Colts D in week 1, albeit sharing with Ward early.The comparison is, I think, more coming from those of us who've watched both play at length. Tate's a load to bring down and a fine runner. Foster is all that, but also crazy elusive and with excellent vision. While Tate has been excellent, his long rush so far is 13 yards. Foster had a 14-yarder before he left Sunday's game, and had at least one rush over 13 yards in 13 of 16 games last year. If I weren't on my smartphone, I'd be adding all sorts of bold and italics to that figure. Watching Foster, you can see him find those holes almost effortlessly.

I know there's a very small sample size on Tate, but it's that kind of explosiveness and consistency that has me and several others still considering a healthy Foster the best back in Texas.

I'll do it for you because that IS the difference and that, sir, is a

Foster not only led the league in rushing last year, he also lead the league in yard per carry (sans Jamal Charles); contstantly ripping off long gainers. Big, explosive plays that the texans (and every team) wants. People like to hang on this idea with Foster that it was because he got so much work with no competition, that it was that whcih made him last year. He DID get the lionshare. But also, with the exception of Charles, nobody in the league last year did more with less.

So, I think that says somthing and actually bodes well if he does have some sharing to do.

 

[ready5]

i'm not sure why people are arguing that it has to be either 'the system' or foster's talent. why not both? the guy earned the rushing title and ended up in the pro bowl, so what more does it take?

also, slaton got seriously hurt and ended up on IR. just because there were other talented backs on the roster to take his place doesn't necessarily mean it's all 'the system'. slaton was good, tate is better, but foster is elite. just watch him run.

 

[unckeyherb]

tate is an emerging talent, but foster is clearly the better back when healthy.

Is this really a fact? Through week two last year, Foster's line was a studly 300 rush/76 rec/3TDs (75% of which was done to a terrible Indy defense in week 1). Through two weeks this year Tate's stat line is 219 rush/32 rec/1 TD-not studly but damn good.

I guess I'm simply not convinced yet that Tate is any worse than Foster in this system-a system that made Slaton a stud when given the majority of carries. I see either a complete time share or the dreaded 'ride the hot hand' type of games for these two once Foster is healthy. JMO

Playing against the same Indy team, Foster had a much better game 9and it can be argued that tate should have had even more of an advantage because this year, the Texans had that game in COMPLETE "sit on the lead" mode by halftime).So, if the system is what is making the players (Slaton, foster, Tate), I would think that all we have to compare on is that one game against the common opponent and Foster clearly won that one. Not a perfect comparison but since people seem hell bent on doing it; might as well compare the red apples to the green apples as best we can.

In the opener against Indy last year in a tight game, Foster put a stamp on the league that he was here.

In the opener against Indy in a blow out dominated by runs in the ssecond half, Tate did what Ward was doing until he sprained his ankle.

For me, I side with the incumbent.

fair enough, honestly I don't get to see a lot of Texans games so I will defer to those that watch the games more regularly for eye tests. All I can look at is stats and I see Slaton to Arian to Ward/Tate all fairing very well in this system. Foster is probably the best back in Houston, but it seems after one week of timeshare and another of full load that Tate can step in and be more than an effective runner. Whether you want to believe that will have an impact on Foster's role going forward is up to you.ETA: For the bolded, FWIW there was a time in 2009, prior to Foster tearing it up that Slaton was the incumbent.

i'm not sure why people are arguing that it has to be either 'the system' or foster's talent. why not both? the guy earned the rushing title and ended up in the pro bowl, so what more does it take?

also, slaton got seriously hurt and ended up on IR. just because there were other talented backs on the roster to take his place doesn't necessarily mean it's all 'the system'. slaton was good, tate is better, but foster is elite. just watch him run.

I agree that it is probably both. You think Foster is elite. While I disagree, I do think he is a very good runner. My point is that the system probably has something, if not a lot to do with his success last year. I don't understand why Foster being 'Elite' and Tate being 'better than good' would preclude Tate from being used in this offense.

 

[We Tigers]

i'm not sure why people are arguing that it has to be either 'the system' or foster's talent. why not both? the guy earned the rushing title and ended up in the pro bowl, so what more does it take?also, slaton got seriously hurt and ended up on IR. just because there were other talented backs on the roster to take his place doesn't necessarily mean it's all 'the system'. slaton was good, tate is better, but foster is elite. just watch him run.

Well said. It's a great system, but that doesn't mean every player who gets to take advantage of it is equal.

 

[ready5]

I agree that it is probably both. You think Foster is elite. While I disagree, I do think he is a very good runner. My point is that the system probably has something, if not a lot to do with his success last year. I don't understand why Foster being 'Elite' and Tate being 'better than good' would preclude Tate from being used in this offense.

foster has not hit his cliff. he has the luxury of healing completely and then will push tate to a secondary role. we're still looking at some sort of RBBC for most of the season and foster's benchtime will probably drop him out of the top-10, but barring further injury, foster should have elite production by midseason.

 

[LargeMouthBass]

This drama sucks. I have both Foster and Tate. I don't care who's better. I just don't want RBBC. That's the real killer in this situation.

 

[unckeyherb]

I agree that it is probably both. You think Foster is elite. While I disagree, I do think he is a very good runner. My point is that the system probably has something, if not a lot to do with his success last year. I don't understand why Foster being 'Elite' and Tate being 'better than good' would preclude Tate from being used in this offense.

foster has not hit his cliff. he has the luxury of healing completely and then will push tate to a secondary role. we're still looking at some sort of RBBC for most of the season and foster's benchtime will probably drop him out of the top-10, but barring further injury, foster should have elite production by midseason.

I wasn't really referring to you and I actually missed your quoted post above-sorry. Seems we agree that it will be RBBC, just differ on what it means. I don't see how Foster can be elite if there is a real timeshare. I see both as being serviceable-but I worry that Kubiak will 'ride the hot hand' and TD production will fall to a different guy week in and out, leading to lineup headaches.

This drama sucks. I have both Foster and Tate. I don't care who's better. I just don't want RBBC. That's the real killer in this situation.

my point exactly

 

[ready5]

I wasn't really referring to you and I actually missed your quoted post above-sorry. Seems we agree that it will be RBBC, just differ on what it means. I don't see how Foster can be elite if there is a real timeshare. I see both as being serviceable-but I worry that Kubiak will 'ride the hot hand' and TD production will fall to a different guy week in and out, leading to lineup headaches.

i see it evolving. foster is hurt, tate has earned snaps. assuming foster heals and barring further injury, he will push tate to a secondary role over the next few weeks.frankly, most teams' rushing attacks could be called some sort of RBBC, it just depends on where you're drawing the line. for the texans, the emergence of tate means that kubiak can be more conservative with foster (like we've seen so far). this limits some of foster's upside and will cost him some touchdowns, but in exchange he should be healthier and more consistent overall... and the fun thing about foster's talent is that he can produce even on limited touches, so it ends up being a win-win in my book.tate doesn't affect a healthy foster's floor, only some of his ceiling.

 

[Nukular Winter]

I was just offered Stafford for Foster straight up.

Thanks to Peyton, my QBs are goddawful (Eli and Hasselbeck).

I'm seriously considering it (even though Stafford is made of spun sugar), because if I don't start getting some production from the QB spot soon I'm going to find myself out of the playoffs.

Somebody talk me off the ledge...

 

[Judge Smails]

I'm thinking of making an offer for Foster on Tuesday. A week closer to returning. Just have to figure out what will make him bite.

 

[Franknbeans]

I was just offered Stafford for Foster straight up.Thanks to Peyton, my QBs are goddawful (Eli and Hasselbeck).I'm seriously considering it (even though Stafford is made of spun sugar), because if I don't start getting some production from the QB spot soon I'm going to find myself out of the playoffs.Somebody talk me off the ledge...

That's a pretty even deal at this point. Top RB already nursing a re-curring injury with a top guy who is injury prone.

 

[SieteCinco]

I'm thinking of making an offer for Foster on Tuesday. A week closer to returning. Just have to figure out what will make him bite.

Guess it depends on how the Foster owner sees this unfolding, but I just gave up Beanie Wells/James Starks for Foster. I thought I was buying low until I saw some other trades involving Foster.I'd like to feel great about the possibility of starting Foster with Rice, but I'm feeling good about the two I just gave up and the Foster vibes aren't exactly good. Still have quite a lot of football to be played though.

 

[Banger]

If I were a Foster owner I'd start changing my thinking a bit and would open my mind to a trade. I'd start looking for a good situation where an owner may have Starks on his bench and you deal him for a Starks/Wells or something in that range. I've seen entire seasons wasted with hammy's and in a redraft if your team is hurting and a little thin it may be worth the risk to max value on some guys with good looking upside.

 

[NDyse10]

FWIW traded Foster for MJD and Woodhead yesterday night (I owned Foster). I was very happy when I opened this trade on my team page.

 

[cvnpoka]

I'm thinking of making an offer for Foster on Tuesday. A week closer to returning. Just have to figure out what will make him bite.

Guess it depends on how the Foster owner sees this unfolding, but I just gave up Beanie Wells/James Starks for Foster. I thought I was buying low until I saw some other trades involving Foster.I'd like to feel great about the possibility of starting Foster with Rice, but I'm feeling good about the two I just gave up and the Foster vibes aren't exactly good. Still have quite a lot of football to be played though.

i offered foster+ for beanie and foster for fjax and was denied both times. fjax owner actually berated me.

 

[gethugefast1]

FWIW, Trade just completed...

Sent Ben Tate & Steven Jackson, received Arian Foster & Drew Brees (new lineup below in Sig)

 

[cvnpoka]

oh ya i also offered foster for tate straight up and was denied. in some leagues hes def unmovable.

 

[Koya]

Trying to trade a Rodgers for stafford and foster, very thin at rb.

 

[Mr. Know-It-All]

I can't move Tate, not even to the Foster owner. He'll continue to lose games, but at least he can stand on principle.

I have been fishing for a wr2/wr3 with Tate and no takers. It is now a passing league, so rbs to some extent are getting undervalued especially RBBC.

It will be sweet if Tate does emerge as this years Foster.

 

[acubsfan]

I have a ton of depth at RB (Forte, FJax, Best, Blount, T. Jones) and WR (Austin, Marshall, Maclin, Bowe, M. Williams TB), but have have nobody I would really want to drop for by week fill in outside of Thomas Jones. So I have been trying to package a 2 for 1 to upgrade two solid guys for a stud and free up a roster spot. I have been making offers of FJax and Bowe. One of the offers I made was for Arian Foster, but then I pulled back before I got a response. Do you guys think I am giving up too much in that deal for Arian? I am mostly referring to FJax's potential, Bowe is the guy I am more worried about for the long term.

 

[duaneok66]

This drama sucks. I have both Foster and Tate. I don't care who's better. I just don't want RBBC. That's the real killer in this situation.

agreed . . . you have a weekly headache even though you have both parts of the backfield . . .

 

[atcdav]

Foster owner, don't have Tate. Tired of the headache. 1-1 but want to win. Have Mendy as my other starting RB, so I'm considering taking a decent offer if I can get it.Had an unofficial offer of Blount & Harvin. I could use the WR3 help too (Looking at you, Lance Moore) so I'm considering it. Main issue is this is a PPR league, and Blount & Mendy sounds quite....touchdown dependent.

Thing is Foster owners new at draft time what was up, so why are you not prepared to deal with this

 

[Prinefan]

Tate owner in a 12 team ppr. Just traded Blount, Santonio, and my 2012 1st and 2nd (should be late picks) for Foster. Start 3 RB's will be Rice, McCoy and Foster/Tate.

 

[duaneok66]

Tate owner in a 12 team ppr. Just traded Blount, Santonio, and my 2012 1st and 2nd (should be late picks) for Foster. Start 3 RB's will be Rice, McCoy and Foster/Tate.

steep price . . .

 

[rocketsauce]

Foster owner, don't have Tate. Tired of the headache. 1-1 but want to win. Have Mendy as my other starting RB, so I'm considering taking a decent offer if I can get it.Had an unofficial offer of Blount & Harvin. I could use the WR3 help too (Looking at you, Lance Moore) so I'm considering it. Main issue is this is a PPR league, and Blount & Mendy sounds quite....touchdown dependent.

Thing is Foster owners new at draft time what was up, so why are you not prepared to deal with this

I drafted him the Saturday he hurt his hammy, about 5 hours before it all went down. Just 7 days earlier he had carved up the Saints Defense and looked like last year's championship-winning horse. So not all of us fit into that boat.

 

[cvnpoka]

Foster owner, don't have Tate. Tired of the headache. 1-1 but want to win. Have Mendy as my other starting RB, so I'm considering taking a decent offer if I can get it.Had an unofficial offer of Blount & Harvin. I could use the WR3 help too (Looking at you, Lance Moore) so I'm considering it. Main issue is this is a PPR league, and Blount & Mendy sounds quite....touchdown dependent.

Thing is Foster owners new at draft time what was up, so why are you not prepared to deal with this

lol hindsight bias