How to score last Dallas play? (1 Viewer)

[LeadoffMan]

Here's the last play...

06) (Shotgun) T.Romo pass short right to F.Jones to DAL 40 for 14 yards. Lateral to R.Williams to DAL 32 for -8 yards. Lateral to T.Romo to DAL 43 for 11 yards. T.Romo pass short right to M.Austin to DAL 40 for -3 yards. Lateral to J.Witten to DAL 34 for -6 yards. Lateral to D.Bryant to 50 for 16 yards. FUMBLES, RECOVERED by MIN-C.Greenway at DAL 39. C.Greenway to DAL 39 for no gain (T.Romo). PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43

Who gets what and why and who gets credit for the passing score IF someone would have scored a TD? Romo, the guy who throws the lateral?

 

[BaBastage]

I'm guessing you're involved in a very close contest.

I don't have much specific advice other than make sure your leage rules have a clause that says "In the absence of specific situational scoring, the default handling by our league manager (Sportsline, Yahoo, etc) will be treated as "official".

And, while you're at it, make sure you have a deadline for scoring corrections.

 

[tietzjd]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43

= No play.

 

[tdhartis]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43= No play.

Pretty sure the penalty was declined. Or at least thats how Yahoo! saw it.

 

[Dan79]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43= No play.

Pretty sure the penalty was declined. Or at least thats how Yahoo! saw it.

My Yahoo real time stats first gave Minnesota a fumble recovery and then took it away.

 

[tietzjd]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43= No play.

Pretty sure the penalty was declined. Or at least thats how Yahoo! saw it.

Umm Complete pass for 14 yards to Romoa Lost fumble to Bryant TD would only count for the player that scored.Not sure what to do with the rest of yards but add or subtract from their rushing totals.

 

[tdhartis]

My Yahoo league is telling me Romo has 11 receiving yards...So I'm guessing it counted for something.

 

[TommyGilmore]

Romo: 1 completion, 13 or 24 yards passing (not sure if he gets credit to where Bryant fumbled, or where Minnesota recovered)

F. Jones: 1 reception, 14 yards receiving

R. Williams: 0 receptions, -8 yards receiving

Romo: 0 receptions, 11 yards receiving

M. Austin: 0 receptions, -3 yards receiving

J. Witten: 0 receptions, -6 yards receiving

D. Bryant: 0 receptions, 16 or 5 yards receiving, 1 fumble lost (again, not sure if he gets credit to the 50 yard line, or if the negative fumble yards count against him)

If Bryant would have scored a TD, then he would have been credited with a 66-yard receiving TD (but no reception), while Romo would have been credited with a 74-yard passing TD.

 

[Dizzy]

I agree 100% with what BaBastage said.

Having said that, I can recall a "hook & trailer" play (i.e. QB pass to WR1, lateral to WR2, = TD) that went for a score the first year we were on MFL.com and in that case the QB got credited for all the yardage (but no TD pass), WR1 got credited for all of the receiving yardage, and WR2 got credit for the score (but no yardage).

 

[tjdoren]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43= No play.

I don't believe the penalty was enforced, since the game was over. There was no reason to consult with Minnesota to ask if they want to accept the penalty. So, just guessing here, but I'd assume the penalty is declined by default.BTW...CBS is also showing 11 yards receiving for Romo, which I assume is due to this play.

 

[Blind Tiger]

My Yahoo league is telling me Romo has 11 receiving yards...So I'm guessing it counted for something.

I think that the penalty is a spot foul and loss of down, so the events up to the penatly count statistically. Romo received the ball legally after a forward pass was completed, but prior to the penalty being comitted, so any yards he gained after posessing the ball from the lateral are receiving yards. The penalty was enforced from the spot he threw the second forward pass so the stats after that point are void.Romo gets 17 yards passingJones gets 14 yards receivingR. Williams gets -8 yards receivingRomo gets 11 yards receiving

 

[moondog]

PENALTY on DAL-T.Romo, Illegal Forward Pass, 0 yards, enforced at DAL 43= No play.

Pretty sure the penalty was declined. Or at least thats how Yahoo! saw it.

Umm Complete pass for 14 yards to Romoa Lost fumble to Bryant TD would only count for the player that scored.Not sure what to do with the rest of yards but add or subtract from their rushing totals.

This. Everything else was laterals except for Romo's lateral attempt which actually went forward causing the flag for illegal forward pass. I don't think anybody else get credit for any yards gained.

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe the play was ruled dead after this point: "T.Romo pass short right to F.Jones to DAL 40 for 14 yards. Lateral to R.Williams to DAL 32 for -8 yards. Lateral to T.Romo to DAL 43 for 11 yards." Since they ruled a second forward/illegal pass at that point, that ended the play and the penalty yardage didn't matter.

So anything after that didn't happen as far as I can tell. It looks like they gave Romo credit for 14 passing yards and 11 rushing yards. Williams got 0 receptions but -8 receiving yards.

It seems scoring services agree that Romo had 220 passing yards. MFL for now seems to be giving Romo 0 receptions but 11 receiving yards instead of rushing yards.

 

[tjdoren]

My Yahoo league is telling me Romo has 11 receiving yards...So I'm guessing it counted for something.

I think that the penalty is a spot foul and loss of down, so the events up to the penatly count statistically. Romo received the ball legally after a forward pass was completed, but prior to the penalty being comitted, so any yards he gained after posessing the ball from the lateral are receiving yards. The penalty was enforced from the spot he threw the second forward pass so the stats after that point are void.Romo gets 17 yards passing

Jones gets 14 yards receiving

R. Williams gets -8 yards receiving

Romo gets 11 yards receiving

Good call...you are correct...it is a spot foul:NFL rules for forward pass

 

[packersfan]

Is there any way it can be scored as an 80-yard touchdown for Miles Austin? That would really help my team this week.

TIA.

 

[David Yudkin]

My Yahoo league is telling me Romo has 11 receiving yards...So I'm guessing it counted for something.

I think that the penalty is a spot foul and loss of down, so the events up to the penatly count statistically. Romo received the ball legally after a forward pass was completed, but prior to the penalty being comitted, so any yards he gained after posessing the ball from the lateral are receiving yards. The penalty was enforced from the spot he threw the second forward pass so the stats after that point are void.Romo gets 17 yards passingJones gets 14 yards receivingR. Williams gets -8 yards receivingRomo gets 11 yards receiving

The problem is that on the NFL box score they do not give Romo any receiving yards but credit him with rushing yards instead. I didn't bother to add up his passing yardage as every place seems to be awarding him 220 yards passing on the day, but it would be interesting to see how many passing yards they actually gave him officially.

 

[tjdoren]

The problem is that on the NFL box score they do not give Romo any receiving yards but credit him with rushing yards instead. I didn't bother to add up his passing yardage as every place seems to be awarding him 220 yards passing on the day, but it would be interesting to see how many passing yards they actually gave him officially.

Where do we find the "official" box scores? NFL.com?

 

[David Yudkin]

The problem is that on the NFL box score they do not give Romo any receiving yards but credit him with rushing yards instead. I didn't bother to add up his passing yardage as every place seems to be awarding him 220 yards passing on the day, but it would be interesting to see how many passing yards they actually gave him officially.

Where do we find the "official" box scores? NFL.com?

I believe the PDF Game Book file linked here is the official box score, but this is what the NFL has for a box score. Bear in mind that changes are typically made after the fact and I do not believe they go and update the boxscores on the NFL site.LINK

 

[TommyGilmore]

I believe the play was ruled dead after this point: "T.Romo pass short right to F.Jones to DAL 40 for 14 yards. Lateral to R.Williams to DAL 32 for -8 yards. Lateral to T.Romo to DAL 43 for 11 yards." Since they ruled a second forward/illegal pass at that point, that ended the play and the penalty yardage didn't matter.So anything after that didn't happen as far as I can tell. It looks like they gave Romo credit for 14 passing yards and 11 rushing yards. Williams got 0 receptions but -8 receiving yards.It seems scoring services agree that Romo had 220 passing yards. MFL for now seems to be giving Romo 0 receptions but 11 receiving yards instead of rushing yards.

Romo should not be getting any Rushing Yards for this play. It should either be Receiving Yards or Fumble Return Yards.

 

[TommyGilmore]

The problem is that on the NFL box score they do not give Romo any receiving yards but credit him with rushing yards instead. I didn't bother to add up his passing yardage as every place seems to be awarding him 220 yards passing on the day, but it would be interesting to see how many passing yards they actually gave him officially.

Where do we find the "official" box scores? NFL.com?

I believe the PDF Game Book file linked here is the official box score, but this is what the NFL has for a box score. Bear in mind that changes are typically made after the fact and I do not believe they go and update the boxscores on the NFL site.LINK

IIRC, the NFL will update the box score but NOT the Gamebook. The box score is official but the Gamebook is not.

 

[Utter Chaos]

My Yahoo league is telling me Romo has 11 receiving yards...So I'm guessing it counted for something.

I think that the penalty is a spot foul and loss of down, so the events up to the penatly count statistically. Romo received the ball legally after a forward pass was completed, but prior to the penalty being comitted, so any yards he gained after posessing the ball from the lateral are receiving yards. The penalty was enforced from the spot he threw the second forward pass so the stats after that point are void.Romo gets 17 yards passingJones gets 14 yards receivingR. Williams gets -8 yards receivingRomo gets 11 yards receiving

I am 99.9% sure this is correct. Romo get receiving yards and not rushing yards because it was a pass play. Romo gets passing yards for the play up until the illegal pass (17 yards) and only the original catch gets a reception. 14 - 8 + 11 = 17.

 

[David Yudkin]

I believe the play was ruled dead after this point: "T.Romo pass short right to F.Jones to DAL 40 for 14 yards. Lateral to R.Williams to DAL 32 for -8 yards. Lateral to T.Romo to DAL 43 for 11 yards." Since they ruled a second forward/illegal pass at that point, that ended the play and the penalty yardage didn't matter.So anything after that didn't happen as far as I can tell. It looks like they gave Romo credit for 14 passing yards and 11 rushing yards. Williams got 0 receptions but -8 receiving yards.It seems scoring services agree that Romo had 220 passing yards. MFL for now seems to be giving Romo 0 receptions but 11 receiving yards instead of rushing yards.

Romo should not be getting any Rushing Yards for this play. It should either be Receiving Yards or Fumble Return Yards.

I agree that the proper call is that Romo should have 0 receptions for 11 yards, but that is not reflected in the box score yet.For fantasy purposes, leagues will have to defer to their stat service and monitor how the play gets scored. Most of them have scoring changes that they implement in the middle of the week.

 

[golfguy]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

 

[David Yudkin]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

 

[Air Stich]

Roy Williams made the best play out of anyone involved (throwing it across the field to Romo) and he lost 8 yards. What a shame.

 

[TommyGilmore]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

Is the play dead if the penalty is declined? What if Minnesota was trailing by 1 point and Greenway ran the fumble in for a touchdown?

 

[Blind Tiger]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

Is the play dead if the penalty is declined? What if Minnesota was trailing by 1 point and Greenway ran the fumble in for a touchdown?

Not dead on the flag, so if the penalty was declined the entire play would stand.

 

[David Yudkin]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

Is the play dead if the penalty is declined? What if Minnesota was trailing by 1 point and Greenway ran the fumble in for a touchdown?

Not dead on the flag, so if the penalty was declined the entire play would stand.

I don't know about this one. From what I can tell, the penalty was declined, yet the play was only counted until the point of the second forward pass.

 

[Blind Tiger]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

Is the play dead if the penalty is declined? What if Minnesota was trailing by 1 point and Greenway ran the fumble in for a touchdown?

Not dead on the flag, so if the penalty was declined the entire play would stand.

I don't know about this one. From what I can tell, the penalty was declined, yet the play was only counted until the point of the second forward pass.

You could be right. I just didn't think the Vikings were given the option of declining the penalty because the game ended on an offensive penalty. I thought it may still be live since the whistle wasn't blown when the second forward pass was thrown.

 

[Utter Chaos]

does greenway get a fumble recovery ?

No. The play was dead once Romo threw the second forward pass.

Is the play dead if the penalty is declined? What if Minnesota was trailing by 1 point and Greenway ran the fumble in for a touchdown?

I don't think Dallas would have ran that play if they were winning by one. But then again it is the Cowboys we're talking about here.