How valuable is the right to choose? (1 Viewer)

[Chase Stuart]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

 

[Comer]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

At 800 units between 2 and 4 it is the equivalent of the 21st overall pick. So I would say this year's and next year's First or this season's 1 and 2 and next year's 2.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

 

[Chase Stuart]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

At 800 units between 2 and 4 it is the equivalent of the 21st overall pick. So I would say this year's and next year's First or this season's 1 and 2 and next year's 2.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Tampa Bay has the 3rd pick, and I think when two players are as close as these guys, the numbers on the chart are less helpful.

 

[Comer]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

At 800 units between 2 and 4 it is the equivalent of the 21st overall pick. So I would say this year's and next year's First or this season's 1 and 2 and next year's 2.

My bad I thought they were 4. I don't consider them all that close in talent though. This year's 1 and 2 next season 3 would be my asking price

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Tampa Bay has the 3rd pick, and I think when two players are as close as these guys, the numbers on the chart are less helpful.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't consider them all that close in talent though.

Ah, well that was the point of the post. I think the Lions didn't think Andre Johnson was that close in talent to Charles Rogers, or that Dan Hampton was that close in talent to Mike Bell, etc.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

It would be worth a try on Detroit's part, but don't see why Tamap would bite - especially since McCoy probably fits their scheme better and it would seem Detroit would lean towards Suh (based on media speculation, but I don't really know if that's the case).

 

[Chase Stuart]

I went back through every draft since 1967 and noted when two players at the same position went in the top four (since it's almost certain that Suh and McCoy will do so). This has happened 22 times. Nine times, the higher drafted player had the better career; nine times, the lower drafted player had the better career, with four ties/incompletes.

Full list available: http://www.pro-football-reference.com/blog/?p=6590

I don't know what the Lions could get from Tampa to move down one spot -- this year's 2nd? Not even? --but it's an interesting topic. Personally, I love Suh (even more so after seeing that sport science video) but studies like this help me to temper my enthusiasm and realize there's probably not much different between Suh and McCoy.

It would be worth a try on Detroit's part, but don't see why Tamap would bite - especially since McCoy probably fits their scheme better and it would seem Detroit would lean towards Suh (based on media speculation, but I don't really know if that's the case).

I've heard a lot of people say it the other way, that McCoy is the better fit for their system: http://bleacherreport.com/articles/376467-...d-suh-mccoy-and

http://www.bucem.com/2010/4/12/1416288/mic...rdi-bucs-prefer

 

[Comer]

I don't consider them all that close in talent though.

Ah, well that was the point of the post. I think the Lions didn't think Andre Johnson was that close in talent to Charles Rogers, or that Dan Hampton was that close in talent to Mike Bell, etc.

He out benched,jumped and ran him at the Combine and was considered the best D-lineman in college. What would make you think they are that close? Rogers and Johnson In my mind were close. I really felt like they took Rogers because he was a hometown guy and could put butt's in seats and sell more jerseys.

 

[Chase Stuart]

I don't consider them all that close in talent though.

Ah, well that was the point of the post. I think the Lions didn't think Andre Johnson was that close in talent to Charles Rogers, or that Dan Hampton was that close in talent to Mike Bell, etc.

He out benched,jumped and ran him at the Combine and was considered the best D-lineman in college. What would make you think they are that close?

The hundreds of scouts, GMs and draftniks that have said "these two guys are the best two players in the draft. They're both great tackles; I'm not even sure which one is better." I think the majority view Suh as the better player, and I wrote so in the post; but don't kid yourself into thinking there isn't a vocal minority who view McCoy as the better NFL prospect.

 

[bicycle_seat_sniffer]

the lions and browns flipped picks a few years ago, IIRC 6 to 7 for Winslow and Roy will. I think that the lions got the browns 2nd rounder for that flip flop.

I think this flip flop would cost more. I dont see how tampa can afford that given the state of their team.

And just for the record, If Im detroit I dont move the pick and take Suh.

 

[Comer]

I don't consider them all that close in talent though.

Ah, well that was the point of the post. I think the Lions didn't think Andre Johnson was that close in talent to Charles Rogers, or that Dan Hampton was that close in talent to Mike Bell, etc.

He out benched,jumped and ran him at the Combine and was considered the best D-lineman in college. What would make you think they are that close?

The hundreds of scouts, GMs and draftniks that have said "these two guys are the best two players in the draft. They're both great tackles; I'm not even sure which one is better." I think the majority view Suh as the better player, and I wrote so in the post; but don't kid yourself into thinking there isn't a vocal minority who view McCoy as the better NFL prospect.

McCoy may very well become the next Sapp but, the bust ratio for DT's is very high. I personally like Berry better than McCoy as a defensive player and would rank with Suh. In order for the Lions to take Berry they would have to move down. The Lions can't pay Berry 2nd OVR pick money.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

Why would Tampa move up to #2 when they are going to select Dez Bryant at #3 anyway? And get a DT in Round 2 or 3 since it's an extremely deep DT class.

 

[CaptainHook]

nowhere near what it would cost for the 2nd team to swap thats for sure

 

[spodog]

At 800 units between 2 and 4 it is the equivalent of the 21st overall pick. So I would say this year's and next year's First or this season's 1 and 2 and next year's 2.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Does anyone have a link to a units value chart like this one that has been created for redraft fantasy leagues? I thought I saw one at one point (maybe at KFFL), but can't seem to find it again.

 

[MAC_32]

History doesn't really impact my feelings on this situation, Suh is a potential dominant difference maker, McCoy is a good DT with upside. There are lots of versions of McCoy available in this class, at much cheaper prices, deep class at DT.

The value to choose is huge imho.

 

[Comer]

At 800 units between 2 and 4 it is the equivalent of the 21st overall pick. So I would say this year's and next year's First or this season's 1 and 2 and next year's 2.

http://www.draftcountdown.com/features/Value-Chart.php

Does anyone have a link to a units value chart like this one that has been created for redraft fantasy leagues? I thought I saw one at one point (maybe at KFFL), but can't seem to find it again.

FBG has a pick value calculator.

http://footballguys.com/pickvalue.htm