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How would you change the Constitution? (2 Viewers)

SaintsInDome2006 said:
When I say 'worst' I don't mean someone you don't like or disagree with. I mean someone who doesn't do anything, does a terrible job, or has actually gone to jail. Just asking, it's a matter of perspective.
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:confused:   So you're saying that we need term limits because the voters will keep reelecting people that don't do anything or are criminals? 

 
PIK95 said:
We need to find a way to get money out of politics imo.  We should limit the whole campaign process time wise, and it should be 100% goverment funded.
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That would just increase corruption, not decrease it. 

There are ways to restrict money's influence, but there is no way to get it out of politics. 

 
Donald Trump's success is proof against the need for term limits and for too strict controls on money in politics. Sometimes somebody without either government experience or money (in Trump's case he has money but hasn't spent any) will succeed anyhow. The public gets sick of "establishment" types and rebels anyhow, without the necessity of law. 

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
:confused:   So you're saying that we need term limits because the voters will keep reelecting people that don't do anything or are criminals? 
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I'm saying your perspective and mine might differ because of who we've had represent us. Like the way people view policing might depend on if they have been arrested or mugged before.

I don't think these politicians are really that special. If you rely on the popular will, then the popular will can say there are limitations on power, we do that in a wide variety of ways, presidents, judges and congressmen can't do anything they please, their powers are limited.

IMO, here at least, shuffling out the politicians helps keep a limit on the amount of influence that is exercised on them by outside forces, it keeps things fresh and it brings in new blood every so often. To me here where I live it would be a net positive on the federal level because it's been a net positive on the local level.

 
timschochet said:
Donald Trump's success is proof against the need for term limits and for too strict controls on money in politics. Sometimes somebody without either government experience or money (in Trump's case he has money but hasn't spent any) will succeed anyhow. The public gets sick of "establishment" types and rebels anyhow, without the necessity of law. 
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That's an argument against amending the 1st Amendment. It's not an argument for term limits. Imagine a Trump (either party) looking at going for a third term and see how you feel then.

 
Chadstroma said:
Enact FairTax as the Federal system of taxation. I like the FairTax as a concept, but I don't think mandating the adoption of any specific taxation scheme should be in the Constitution.

Congress shall not be exempt from any law it passes. Sure.

Congressman and women shall not be paid their salary if the budget is not balanced. Nah. I'm no Keynesian, but there are times the budget can't be balanced. And introducing this as an incentive will only result in more skullduggery on the part of congress in the budget process -- people always respond to economic incentives, but not always in the way you would want or expect them to. 

Congress shall have term limits. 2 terms for Senate and 4 for house. I am fine with this.

Congressional districts would be determined by a basic computer program that is only fed population and geographic information. Sounds familiar.

All voting requires a government issued ID but every US citizen is entitled to a free form of ID. Pretty much unnecessary. And certainly not something that needs to be in the Constitution.

Being born on US soil does not make you a US citizen. You must have at least one parent a US citizen, permanent resident alien or service member. Automatic citizenship for any service member after 4 years of service or honorable discharge. Dunno.

Sunset for all Federal laws and agency regulations have no longer than a 20 year sunset provision. There needs to be an automatic mechanism in place for getting old, bad laws off the books. I am not sure this is it, but something like that is worth considering.
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I know it is a joke but the real value of the Third Amendment now is reminding us the background, context and reasoning behind the first 10 amendments which ought to reflect the interpretation of them (but often doesn't).

 
Officer Pete Malloy said:
Is it something that can be proven?
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Proven empirically? Probably not.

It seems like a logical supposition though. 

As I said earlier, I am not so much concerned with term limits for their own sake, as in preventing career pols from creating entrenched fiefdoms. Rotating committee chairmanships and reforming the districting process to make it apolitical would get most of the way there.

 
Whichever amendment gave women the right to vote.  Now they're all uppity and expect to be treated the same as men.  Don't they realize we are much physically stronger so therefore we are superior in every way?

Women, can't live with em, can't **** them.

 
Chadstroma said:
I know it is a joke but the real value of the Third Amendment now is reminding us the background, context and reasoning behind the first 10 amendments which ought to reflect the interpretation of them (but often doesn't).
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I was serious, it keeps the military / NSA and any threat of a surveillance state under control, or it should at its best and if interpreted properly.

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
Proven empirically? Probably not.

It seems like a logical supposition though. 

As I said earlier, I am not so much concerned with term limits for their own sake, as in preventing career pols from creating entrenched fiefdoms. Rotating committee chairmanships and reforming the districting process to make it apolitical would get most of the way there.
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:shrug:    Not sure what the difference is between the same guy getting elected 10 times in a row or 5 guys from the same party/machine taking turns.

 
@RedmondLonghorn.

1) Best way to keep it from being screwed with is constitutional amendment.

2) :hifive:

3) I got your point on this. Still, there needs to be some sort of incentive for them to do their jobs right.

4) :hifive:

5) Not a very unique idea. I actually signed a petition yesterday for an Illinois effort to do the same thing on the state level.

6) ID's are a must in this life. Kill two birds with one law.

7) You should know.

8) What is better than a sunset law to make it that laws don't pile up and pile up?

 
I'd make the Constitution one of those quirky, educational YouTube videos with pop-up pictures and word bubbles.  More people are into watching those than reading legal documents these days.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
I was serious, it keeps the military / NSA and any threat of a surveillance state under control, or it should at its best and if interpreted properly.
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No, sorry, I hate the practice of reading more into the Constitution than is there. What you want it to say (though I am not exactly against it) is not what it says.

 
Al O'Pecia said:
I'd make the Constitution one of those quirky, educational YouTube videos with pop-up pictures and word bubbles.  More people are into watching those than reading legal documents these days.
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Or engrave the Constitution on a set of gold plates, and get rid of all the copies.

Bury the plates in the ground.

If there's a constitutional issue we appoint one guy to dig the plates up, interpret them, and emerge and tell us what they say.

 
Chadstroma said:
No, sorry, I hate the practice of reading more into the Constitution than is there. What you want it to say (though I am not exactly against it) is not what it says.
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Sure, ok, I'm for that interpretation though, the military has no right to come into our homes in any way, I think most Americans view this as a right.

 
SaintsInDome2006 said:
Or engrave the Constitution on a set of gold plates, and get rid of all the copies.

Bury the plates in the ground.

If there's a constitutional issue we appoint one guy to dig the plates up, interpret them, and emerge and tell us what they say.
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The power residing in the priesthood.

 
Chadstroma said:
I believe that is pretty well covered by the Posse Comitatus Act.
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The problem with applying either that or the Third Amendment to electronic surveillance is that neither mentions surveillance/spying directly and that in today's world, email messages and data aren't really housed in people's homes or, arguably, even in the United States.

 
Chadstroma said:
I believe that is pretty well covered by the Posse Comitatus Act.
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Yeah well, not good enough for me. Acts can be repealed a lot more easily.

Tell people that repealing the 3rd Amendment will mean the military can quarter troops in their home against their will - at a minimum - and see how they react.

 
Mandatory voting with the voting window open from Monday to Friday of the first week in November. 

Get rid of or at least rewrite drastically the 2nd Amendment as it stands now. 

Write specific instructions on how congressional districts are figured out. No kind of gerrymandering. 

 
RedmondLonghorn said:
The problem with applying either that or the Third Amendment to electronic surveillance is that neither mentions surveillance/spying directly and that in today's world, email messages and data aren't really housed in people's homes or, arguably, even in the United States.
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Implied right of privacy? 

 
timschochet said:
Implied right of privacy? 
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I am 100% against warrantless surveillance of US citizens for any reason. 

I was simply pointing out that the rationale that either the 3rd Amendment or the Posse Comitatus Act could be applied to protect US citizens from it is shaky at best. And shouldn't be nearly good enough for anybody.

 
James Daulton said:
Whichever amendment gave women the right to vote.  Now they're all uppity and expect to be treated the same as men.  Don't they realize we are much physically stronger so therefore we are superior in every way?

Women, can't live with em, can't **** them.
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Amend the 19th to say "Yoga pants are mandatory."

 
Mario Kart said:
Mandatory voting with the voting window open from Monday to Friday of the first week in November. 

Get rid of or at least rewrite drastically the 2nd Amendment as it stands now. 

Write specific instructions on how congressional districts are figured out. No kind of gerrymandering. 
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Way to start the second Civil War

 
Chadstroma said:
Way to start the second Civil War
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Many other countries have outlawed or restricted guns by a good margin and there has not been a civil war in any of those countries. Either you are more fearful than you need to be or you are using fearmongering to get what you want. Not sure which but either do not make sense. 

 
Mario Kart said:
Many other countries have outlawed or restricted guns by a good margin and there has not been a civil war in any of those countries. Either you are more fearful than you need to be or you are using fearmongering to get what you want. Not sure which but either do not make sense. 
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Or you are out of touch to reality. Not sure which but there are apparently more options that you think.

 
Mario Kart said:
Many other countries have outlawed or restricted guns by a good margin and there has not been a civil war in any of those countries. Either you are more fearful than you need to be or you are using fearmongering to get what you want. Not sure which but either do not make sense. 
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This is not a well thought out post. 

 
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