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[Otis]

I dunno still tough waters ahead for webOS/HP with iPhone, android devices ,new Winmo 7 & new RIM coming

the game might already be over

Exactly how I feel about it.

 

[Foosball God]

Because I disagree that (1) they have the hardware platform or (2) a respectable software OS. Palm is a failing enterprise. If it were that respectable, why were they barely afloat?

HP has made a bunch of mobile devices that nobody cares about, and now a tablet that is going to get crushed by the competition.

Palm has a VERY strong OS. The fact that it didn't sell is based on 3 factors: 1. They launched their major devices of late (Palm Pro, Pre, Pixi) on Sprint, which was an awful move.

2. The marketing/branding effort for the Pre was perhaps the worst I've seen in avery long time.

3. The hardware of the Pre was lacking compared to other models in the market. The screen would twist, the trackball would jam. Just awful.

That's fine, but HP went out and bought that company, and thereby inherited those same problems. It's not like HP has a killer device sitting around and all they needed was the Palm OS. Seriously, have you ever even seen an iPaq? How many of those could they possibly be selling?So yeah, you can name all the reasons that Palm failed, but I don't see those reasons disappearing because HP is now the parent company. (Note: if HP had been showing signs of life and introducing awesome, competitive products, maybe I'd feel like they could right the ship -- I just don't see that).

Fair points. But building a great hardware piece to go with your already existing software is a lot easier then building a great hardware piece and building a great software piece.

That's fair too. It's better than nothing. And maybe the deal is worth the $1B for other reasons (patent portfolio, etc.) anyway. I just think that if HP wants to compete in that space, there are better ways than saddling up with Palm.

Such as?

 

[biggamer3]

By the way, sliding below the radar here is Apple's acquisition of another high speed mobile chip maker in Texas.

Buying intrinsity is a "who cares" moment. Send me a Fax when they buy ARM....until then, buying a small licensee of ARM when there are a couple hundred others in the same water is meh.

Apple doesn't need to own all of the hardware components. As it stands, they do more than just about any computer/mobile company out there in that they design/build their own hardware AND their own software. Microsoft is a software company. Dell is a hardware company. Etc.

But whatever strides Apple can make in cornering important segments of the hardware market -- particularly when it comes to low power mobile hardware -- is a smart move. They don't need to invest the money in doing this on a huge scale, and they don't need to get into making DRAM or other commodities, but if they can scoop up some high tech hardware niches that will give them an edge in the mobile market -- which is where all of this is going anyway -- I think it's brilliant. Especially when it's on the cheap. It cost them nearly nothing. They made a bigger but similar move last year, and you've got to think they will continue to make these kinds of moves in the future.

I just see Apple as a company that is incredibly well run, has an identity, has a vision for where things are going, and which makes great products. HP just looks to me like its floundering, and picking up Palm of all people doesn't change that perception for me.

Then why are you ragging on HP buying the means to do exactly what Apple is doing? Now they have the hardware platform and a respectable software OS.

Because I disagree that (1) they have the hardware platform or (2) a respectable software OS. Palm is a failing enterprise. If it were that respectable, why were they barely afloat? HP has made a bunch of mobile devices that nobody cares about, and now a tablet that is going to get crushed by the competition.

I would agree with you if HP had acquired someone else. Palm won't help them crack the mobile market.

I have used the Iphone and the Pre and without a doubt the WebOS is as smooth as they come.All tech experts and consumers all say the WebOS is a fantastic OS with many advantages over all the others. The use of synergy, the use of Notifications which is unmatched by any mobile OS. Multitasking.

The reason Palm failed was an absolute HORRIBLE marketing campaign and not enough funds to market it well enough. HP will spend money promoting whatever device Palm releases so that wont be an issue now. Also Palm struggled on the HARDware end, and HP will help them in that regard. No more faulty Pre's and the likes

 

[17seconds]

It will be dificult for a hardware company to make the switch to software.

HP is as much a hardware company as Motorola.Yes, they have some old timers but they've done plenty of SW.

 

[The Commish]

I've said it a million times before...HP needs to stick to servers and server based software. I have no reason to believe they won't ruin the Palm product within the first 3 years of ownership. They just aren't good at it.

ETA: See Compaq

ETA: The Palm OS isn't the problem here....what HP does to it after take over is what the problem will be. The current issues with Palm are not technical in nature...it's the business model.

 

[[icon]]

I know what you are saying about the sheer number and how it indicates usage, but the Palm has had a history of not being friendly to prospective developers and Apple has really let any crappy developer put an app up for use.

Wait.. I thought apple's "overly stringent limiting of developers entry to marketplace" was a huge advantage for android. Do we have the cake or are we eating it? Not trying to turn this into an apple thread but this point is something that bugs me with this argument.

 

[culdeus]

This isn't about me or what I like. It's about what the market likes. Look at the sales numbers.

This is the same disconnect you have in all these apple v everybody threads. Apple market share of $250k+ lawyers may be high, but that's the only segment you are exposed to. Apple is doing fine with less than 20% share, and in some ways they seem to have maxed this out. If another system comes along and can just carve out 10% from other carriers it won't hurt Apple. They made their own bed with AT&T long ago and now they have to lie in it. The sales number race is over. If anything Apple's moves are indicators that market share growth is no longer the priority and they have to drive down costs. That being said I doubt this HP move is a signal they want to get into the phone market. This seems simply like a notebook type move to me.

This isn't just about Apple market share of "$250k+ lawyers." It's a 244 BILLION dollar company. They're worth twice what HP is worth. Palm's market cap isn't even one billion.

You asked me why I think Palm isn't doing well, and suggested that it was just my opinion. It's not an opinion. It's just how it is. There's a reason why Palm wasn't doing well. As an example, there's info here on sales figures for the Palm Pre. It isn't much.

So I'm not sure what this has to do with people's salaries or fancy commercials or anything else that's been mentioned here. The reality is that as HP has been struggling to get a foothold in mobile. And HP makes a big move to try and garner some success in the mobile device market and they go out and buy ... drum roll ... a failing mobile device maker.

I'm not seeing "S U C C E S S" in that alphabet soup.

But again, I don't understand what point you're trying to make.

The point you continue to miss is that there are some 20 important components in any mobile/portable device. Each major vendor has pieces that they do better than others, and there are some components that are shared by some, but not all. Palm paired what most would consider the "best" OS with the worst packaging and interface. Apple has a mediocre OS with a better interface. RIM falls in between on all those categories, but does exceedingly well in some areas. HTC/Android is in that realm as well. What you miss is that sales don't tell the whole story here in what is an immature market. Especially when evaluating this development on a short term basis. There is plenty of time for a major step forward to be taken. At one time Nokia was seen as carrying the day to the end of time. Things change quickly.

 

[Evilgrin 72]

I do hate this counting of apps deal. I agree Palm is way behind in apps. But most of those 200K and 50K apps are complete junk.

Yep, a ton of junk on both Apple and Android market, there are also thousands of great apps on each. No one is really writing apps for Palms.

That's my concern. I'll never have anywhere near 2,000 apps, so the sheer #s don't matter. I'm not an "apps" guy, but I'm going to be bent if they start developing new ones that would be really useful to me and the only platform I can't get them on is Palm OS. For that reason alone, I might have to go with the HTC Hero.

 

[gmbacm]

I see Otis is doing his lord's work in here. Gotta be some sort of commission involved.

 

[Fennis]

I see Otis is doing his lord's work in here. Gotta be some sort of commission involved.

I've never seen a person more in need of new schtick. Time for an upgrade to schtick OS 4.0.

 

[goonsquad]

big loser in all this? RIM.

Big loser in all this is HP, to the tune $1.2BB.

 

[The Commish]

big loser in all this? RIM.

Big loser in all this is HP, to the tune $1.2BB.

Actually, it's Palm IMO. The product is solid, the business model isn't....and HP has not shown they will make that any better. It's unfortunate.

 

[The Big Guy]

I am not sure what Otis is trying to prove when he compares HP to GM and Ford, since HP has retaken the #1 spot in sales of "unimpressive" computers in the world. Being an Apple fanboi and then making fun of #1's market share at the same time is really quite a stretch.

Techies and the young like Apple, but apparently they are buying HP. I think HP vastly overpaid for a dying business, but I agree that it gives HP new avenues and new strength in their product line.

 

[Otis]

I am not sure what Otis is trying to prove when he compares HP to GM and Ford, since HP has retaken the #1 spot in sales of "unimpressive" computers in the world. Being an Apple fanboi and then making fun of #1's market share at the same time is really quite a stretch. Techies and the young like Apple, but apparently they are buying HP. I think HP vastly overpaid for a dying business, but I agree that it gives HP new avenues and new strength in their product line.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm saying HP's entree into the mobile market has, to this point, been a total failure. And Palm does NOT look like a solution to me.Yes, I get that HP sells more computers. Apple has twice the market cap. Having owned computers from both makers, there is absolutely no contest in my view. But yes, HP sells a lot of computers.

 

[The Big Guy]

I am not sure what Otis is trying to prove when he compares HP to GM and Ford, since HP has retaken the #1 spot in sales of "unimpressive" computers in the world. Being an Apple fanboi and then making fun of #1's market share at the same time is really quite a stretch. Techies and the young like Apple, but apparently they are buying HP. I think HP vastly overpaid for a dying business, but I agree that it gives HP new avenues and new strength in their product line.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm saying HP's entree into the mobile market has, to this point, been a total failure. And Palm does NOT look like a solution to me.Yes, I get that HP sells more computers. Apple has twice the market cap. Having owned computers from both makers, there is absolutely no contest in my view. But yes, HP sells a lot of computers.

So you don't see how a company with the retail channels that HP has will be a huge help to Palm in getting their product into stores, or getting better placement? The Palm OS is good, much better then average in the mobile market, based on all sources that use test and sue the products. Now with that marketing power of HP and maybe a brand revamp and name change (since HP will rebrand to HP) will be just the thing to revitalize the company.As for apps-the app developers will go to where the apps are being sold. Sell phone, apps will follow.

 

[The Commish]

I am not sure what Otis is trying to prove when he compares HP to GM and Ford, since HP has retaken the #1 spot in sales of "unimpressive" computers in the world. Being an Apple fanboi and then making fun of #1's market share at the same time is really quite a stretch. Techies and the young like Apple, but apparently they are buying HP. I think HP vastly overpaid for a dying business, but I agree that it gives HP new avenues and new strength in their product line.

I'm not trying to prove anything. I'm saying HP's entree into the mobile market has, to this point, been a total failure. And Palm does NOT look like a solution to me.Yes, I get that HP sells more computers. Apple has twice the market cap. Having owned computers from both makers, there is absolutely no contest in my view. But yes, HP sells a lot of computers.

So you don't see how a company with the retail channels that HP has will be a huge help to Palm in getting their product into stores, or getting better placement? The Palm OS is good, much better then average in the mobile market, based on all sources that use test and sue the products. Now with that marketing power of HP and maybe a brand revamp and name change (since HP will rebrand to HP) will be just the thing to revitalize the company.As for apps-the app developers will go to where the apps are being sold. Sell phone, apps will follow.

IMO, HP is going to have to make some major business model changes to advance the Palm products. They can't do things the way they did them when they purchased Compaq. I remain quite skeptical of HP's ability to make those changes, but time will tell.

 

[Jojo the circus boy]

big loser in all this? RIM.

Big loser in all this is HP, to the tune $1.2BB.

1.2 blackberries? Why are people using BB to signify billion?MM = Million since M = 1,000 hence MM has been known to signify 1,000,000I don't believe there is any such translation of BB = 1,000,000,000

 

[Fennis]

http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/02/hp-ceo-...phone-business/

HP CEO: "We didn't buy Palm to be in the smartphone business"

By Nilay Patel posted Jun 2nd 2010 7:15PM

You'd think spending a billion dollars on a smartphone company would indicate a desire to, say, make and sell smartphones, but you'd apparently be thinking wrong: HP CEO Mark Hurd just told investors at the Bank of America Merrill Lynch tech conference that his company "didn't buy Palm to be in the smartphone business," and that he's not going to "spend billions of dollars trying to go into the smartphone business; that doesn't in any way make any sense." Yes, that sound you're hearing is Jon Rubinstein's heart breaking into a million tiny pieces. According to Hurd, HP was actually more interested in Palm's IP -- specifically webOS, which he wants to put on "tens of millions of HP small form-factor web-connected devices." Sure, that makes sense, and it lines up perfectly with HP's plan to "double down on webOS" and put it on everything from netbooks and slates to printers, but hey, Mark? You should really look into the smartphone business when you get a second, okay? Just trust us on this one.

We didn't buy Palm to be in the smartphone business. And I tell people that, but it doesn't seem to resonate well. We bought it for the IP. The WebOS is one of the two ground-up pieces of software that is built as a web operating environment...We have tens of millions of HP small form factor web-connected devices...Now imagine that being a web-connected environment where now you can get a common look and feel and a common set of services laid against that environment. That is a very value proposition.

 

[HellToupee]

looking forward to HP's webOS announcement this wednesday. I think its important for them to beat Android Honeycomb tabs to the market if they can hit all the right targets & an ipad matching $499 entry point.

 

[Otis]

Read this today and couldn't believe it.Yes, HP is selling more computers than anyone, but their products are, in my experience, pretty crappy. They seem like the old guard to me, and it has just seemed like a matter of time until they fall behind. Their entree into mobile markets has been a repeat disaster. Now you pair them up with the already-failed-at-mobile-markets PALM. Yes, they were innovators in the 80s, and even 90s, but what have they done since the Palm Pilot that anyone cares about? Nothing.To me you have the marriage of two old computer companies with nothing current and, at least based on what they've offered recently, no vision. One of the articles I saw was touting the HP slate, which by all reviews I've read is a piece of junk compared to the iPad and what's expected from the android market.They look to me like old, tired brands without any good products. It's Ford or GM 5 years ago. Now, Ford is suddenly a player again, has completely revamped its image, and is introducing fantastic products. But for years that brand was a mess. Will HP turn it around the way Ford did? For their sake I hope so. But, if I'm a betting man, I'm betting against this being a success, and it's just a marriage of two giant yawns to me.

http://abcnews.go.com/Technology/wireStory?id=14337271

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

looking forward to HP's webOS announcement this wednesday. I think its important for them to beat Android Honeycomb tabs to the market if they can hit all the right targets & an ipad matching $499 entry point.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

I AM very curious to see how this all shakes out. IMHO the market has never really been ready for this many competing OS's before. IPhone, Android, PalmOS, RIM, Symbian, etc... The average consumer doesn't really have teh capacity to relearn many OSs and this will create a shakedown IMO. Granted, these new stripped down mobile OS's are (at least theoretically) very simple to use, but I still think we're looking at an oversaturated marketplace at this point. Especially for one in it's infancy such as this. (referring to mobile devices not just phones)

Agreed, which is why the "best" part of all this is that these competing OS's are going to have to be built to be VERY easy for the consumer. Perhaps the best thing about the iPhone is that it takes about 2 minutes to learn how to use. I think that in 5 years we'll see WinMo as almost purely Business/Enterprise... Android, HP/Palm, Dell, and Apple vying for the consumer segment...and Blackberry trying to be in both worlds. Windows Mobile 7 looks REALLY good. BB 6.0 looks REALLY good. Android gets better by the month. Going to be some wicked devices soon.

I think there's only room for 3 OS's in this space:iOS - for people who want well-designed, easy to use products and don't mind paying more.Android - for people who want more customization and device variety.Windows 8 - for people who want to be able to use Windows.For me the question is how well Android will be able to fend off Windows and its massive legacy apps. The battle there will be fought over who has the best apps.

 

[SacramentoBob]

I'd say this worked out well.

 

[TwinTurbo]

Read this today and couldn't believe it.

Yes, HP is selling more computers than anyone, but their products are, in my experience, pretty crappy. They seem like the old guard to me, and it has just seemed like a matter of time until they fall behind. Their entree into mobile markets has been a repeat disaster.

Now you pair them up with the already-failed-at-mobile-markets PALM. Yes, they were innovators in the 80s, and even 90s, but what have they done since the Palm Pilot that anyone cares about? Nothing.

To me you have the marriage of two old computer companies with nothing current and, at least based on what they've offered recently, no vision. One of the articles I saw was touting the HP slate, which by all reviews I've read is a piece of junk compared to the iPad and what's expected from the android market.

They look to me like old, tired brands without any good products. It's Ford or GM 5 years ago. Now, Ford is suddenly a player again, has completely revamped its image, and is introducing fantastic products. But for years that brand was a mess. Will HP turn it around the way Ford did? For their sake I hope so. But, if I'm a betting man, I'm betting against this being a success, and it's just a marriage of two giant yawns to me.

http://abcnews.go.co...ory?id=14337271

Good call Otis.

 

[Abraham]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

 

[SacramentoBob]

Shane. Webos is a really good system. Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

They are just realizing what IBM realized 6 years ago.

 

[Abraham]

And what Dell will realize six years from now.

 

[toadstool]

And what Dell will realize six years from now.

Dell makes quite a good living from it's business customers and I don't see this trend ending that soon.

 

[heckmanm]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

 

[Otis]

Shane. Webos is a really good system. Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

They are just realizing what IBM realized 6 years ago.

Yeah I don't find this surprising at all. HP was making junky and uninspired product for a long time. Dell will still have a big enterprise business and continue to do well unless corporations do what consumers are doing and move to Apple products. HP supposedly indicating it is going to now "focus on software." What the hell software expertise does HP have, other than building all that driver and plugin gunk that sits in your windows system try and bogs down performance? Talk about a company to bet against, this is one. My call: HP will be acquired for its patents soon enough, by either Google, Apple, or MSFT, and then promptly liquidated. The only business units they may end up maintaining are the web stuff (think Snapfish), and maybe some of the printer business.

 

[culdeus]

looking forward to HP's webOS announcement this wednesday. I think its important for them to beat Android Honeycomb tabs to the market if they can hit all the right targets & an ipad matching $499 entry point.

They aren't selling at 399 and most think the final price will be 299.

 

[SacramentoBob]

And what Dell will realize six years from now.

They realize it. The SecureWorks and Force10 acquisitions this year show that.

 

[SacramentoBob]

My call: HP will be acquired for its patents soon enough, by either Google, Apple, or MSFT, and then promptly liquidated. The only business units they may end up maintaining are the web stuff (think Snapfish), and maybe some of the printer business.

No way.Firstly, HP won't just be focusing on software as they have a strong enterprise data center footprint with their servers and storage solutions and recently acquired 3Com for the switching. HP is looking to be the McDonalds of the data center IE combo meals that you get from one vendor combined with IT consulting/outsourcing. IOW, they want to be IBM.I can't see just one tech company wanting to swallow HP. It would have to be a consortium of vendors, all looking for different pieces.

 

[toadstool]

looking forward to HP's webOS announcement this wednesday. I think its important for them to beat Android Honeycomb tabs to the market if they can hit all the right targets & an ipad matching $499 entry point.

They aren't selling at 399 and most think the final price will be 299.

When they hit $299 then they will start to sell once someone makes it so Android can be installed on the tablet.

 

[thecatch]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

Agreed - I have an iPad2 and a Palm Pre, and for all the boasting apple people do, I find both operating systems to be equally accessible and user friendly. Apple just has a massive edge in apps (which is a huge deal). Sad that nobody really bought into WebOS.

 

[jon_mx]

WebOS is infinitely better than Windows.

 

[toadstool]

WebOS is infinitely better than Windows.

That isn't saying all that much.

 

[Hawks64]

My call: HP will be acquired for its patents soon enough, by either Google, Apple, or MSFT, and then promptly liquidated. The only business units they may end up maintaining are the web stuff (think Snapfish), and maybe some of the printer business.

No way.Firstly, HP won't just be focusing on software as they have a strong enterprise data center footprint with their servers and storage solutions and recently acquired 3Com for the switching. HP is looking to be the McDonalds of the data center IE combo meals that you get from one vendor combined with IT consulting/outsourcing. IOW, they want to be IBM.I can't see just one tech company wanting to swallow HP. It would have to be a consortium of vendors, all looking for different pieces.

IMO HP is trying to do what IBM did 7 years ago.

 

[culdeus]

looking forward to HP's webOS announcement this wednesday. I think its important for them to beat Android Honeycomb tabs to the market if they can hit all the right targets & an ipad matching $499 entry point.

They aren't selling at 399 and most think the final price will be 299.

When they hit $299 then they will start to sell once someone makes it so Android can be installed on the tablet.

It is not far away. They have had sales for 349 for brief periods to already test that price point and sold air.

 

[Abraham]

HP and many others made the mistake of thinking that people were hungry for tablets. People are hungry for iPads, not for whatever random tablet is out there. Launching the Touchpad as a consumer device was a mistake

 

[SacramentoBob]

HP and many others made the mistake of thinking that people were hungry for tablets. People are hungry for iPads, not for whatever random tablet is out there. Launching the Touchpad as a consumer device was a mistake

A vendor like HP would have to get tablets into the enterprise not directly into the hands of consumers. Kind of like what Blackberry did with BES. Not that that necessarily worked out for them.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

Agreed - I have an iPad2 and a Palm Pre, and for all the boasting apple people do, I find both operating systems to be equally accessible and user friendly. Apple just has a massive edge in apps (which is a huge deal). Sad that nobody really bought into WebOS.

You can't come late to the game like they did and charge a premium for an inferior product with relatively few apps. It was priced $100 more than the Transformer and at an iPad price no one is going to buy it over an iPad. Had they came in strong and priced it at $349 it would have sold like hotcakes.

 

[culdeus]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

Agreed - I have an iPad2 and a Palm Pre, and for all the boasting apple people do, I find both operating systems to be equally accessible and user friendly. Apple just has a massive edge in apps (which is a huge deal). Sad that nobody really bought into WebOS.

You can't come late to the game like they did and charge a premium for an inferior product with relatively few apps. It was priced $100 more than the Transformer and at an iPad price no one is going to buy it over an iPad. Had they came in strong and priced it at $349 it would have sold like hotcakes.

One of those articles said that they offered it at best buy and woot one weekend for 349 (albeit quietly) and only had like 200 takers. Tens of thousands are still on shelves.

 

[goonsquad]

HP stock is down over 20% today. They've lost over $10B in market value today. Ouch.

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

Agreed - I have an iPad2 and a Palm Pre, and for all the boasting apple people do, I find both operating systems to be equally accessible and user friendly. Apple just has a massive edge in apps (which is a huge deal). Sad that nobody really bought into WebOS.

You can't come late to the game like they did and charge a premium for an inferior product with relatively few apps. It was priced $100 more than the Transformer and at an iPad price no one is going to buy it over an iPad. Had they came in strong and priced it at $349 it would have sold like hotcakes.

One of those articles said that they offered it at best buy and woot one weekend for 349 (albeit quietly) and only had like 200 takers. Tens of thousands are still on shelves.

That was months after the initial price of $499. That allowed Asus to crush the value end of the market and sealed it's fate. Even once they dropped it to $399 it was too late. They have to give them away now because people know there will be no support or new apps.Hitler learns HP is abandoning WebOS.

 

[culdeus]

Shane. Webos is a really good system.

Hp getting out of the pc business boggles the mind.

I was still limping along with a 1st-gen Palm Pre, hoping Sprint would pick up the Pre3 around the time I could upgrade (i.e., now).

HTC Evo it is, I guess.

Agreed - I have an iPad2 and a Palm Pre, and for all the boasting apple people do, I find both operating systems to be equally accessible and user friendly. Apple just has a massive edge in apps (which is a huge deal). Sad that nobody really bought into WebOS.

You can't come late to the game like they did and charge a premium for an inferior product with relatively few apps. It was priced $100 more than the Transformer and at an iPad price no one is going to buy it over an iPad. Had they came in strong and priced it at $349 it would have sold like hotcakes.

One of those articles said that they offered it at best buy and woot one weekend for 349 (albeit quietly) and only had like 200 takers. Tens of thousands are still on shelves.

That was months after the initial price of $499. That allowed Asus to crush the value end of the market and sealed it's fate. Even once they dropped it to $399 it was too late. They have to give them away now because people know there will be no support or new apps.Hitler learns HP is abandoning WebOS.

That one actually was pretty funny in a nerdy way.

 

[biggamer3]

I loved webos and would have never switched to android if there was a real palm pre 2 that came out. But once switching to Android, I can never leave android

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

HP Touchpad for $99 tomorrow.

 

[deep vacuum]

HP Touchpad for $99 tomorrow.

Anyway to install android on this?

 

[RhymesMcJuice]

HP Touchpad for $99 tomorrow.

Anyway to install android on this?

Not yet.