hurricane Laura - state and Govt responses (1 Viewer)

[Stealthycat]

Anyone guess how bad its going to get? States have had days of warning and Laura just blew up into a cat 4 ........ I'd almost bet that Democrats will use Laura and blame Trump and the Fed Govt in some way for anything that might go wrong and for all that goes right, he will get zero credit. 

Anyone in LA .... get ready .... my AR is going to get the remnants on Thu/Fri as well, TX and MS and other coastal will be affected too and the surge on this one looks big. 

 

[SoBeDad]

Anyone guess how bad its going to get? States have had days of warning and Laura just blew up into a cat 4 ........ I'd almost bet that Democrats will use Laura and blame Trump and the Fed Govt in some way for anything that might go wrong and for all that goes right, he will get zero credit. 

Anyone in LA .... get ready .... my AR is going to get the remnants on Thu/Fri as well, TX and MS and other coastal will be affected too and the surge on this one looks big. 

Many say that hurricanes Irma and Maria helped Rick Scott become senator. His face was on TV during the recovery of both storms, in Florida and the Puerto Rican communities in Orlando and San Juan. It's an opportunity for Trump, not that Louisiana, Texas or Arkansas are in real danger of turning blue.

 

[The General]

Trump probably has South Dakota in this things range with his marker.

But seriously be safe everyone. Was just reading the storm is building quicker than anticipated. No bueno.

 

[Thunderlips]

Should Trump even involve himself in this?  Why wouldn't the states in the way solve their own problem?  If a nationwide pandemic isn't a Federal problem.....a storm hitting a portion of a couple of states shouldn't be either.  

 

[Stealthycat]

Should Trump even involve himself in this?  Why wouldn't the states in the way solve their own problem?  If a nationwide pandemic isn't a Federal problem.....a storm hitting a portion of a couple of states shouldn't be either.  

Federal aid, disaster recovery, evacuations with military aid maybe, helping control looting .... but mainly money that'll be given when its all declared disaster areas

covid19 is similar - its in some ways about getting money :(  

 

[moleculo]

Federal aid, disaster recovery, evacuations with military aid maybe, helping control looting .... but mainly money that'll be given when its all declared disaster areas

covid19 is similar - its in some ways about getting money :(  

Didn't Trump use the FEMA money to fund COVID relief? 

 

[The Commish]

Federal aid, disaster recovery, evacuations with military aid maybe, helping control looting .... but mainly money that'll be given when its all declared disaster areas

covid19 is similar - its in some ways about getting money :(  

Here's the problem I see....you know the $300 a week Trump is promising for unemployment?  That money is being taken from the fund that is typically used for events like this....well, if the states can come up with the other $100.

 

[SoBeDad]

Didn't Trump use the FEMA money to fund COVID relief? 

Supposedly with an EO during the height of hurricane season.  What now?

https://www.google.com/search?q=fema+covid&client=ms-android-att-us&prmd=nsvi&source=lnms&tbm=nws&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwj7tMm3jLrrAhWFmVkKHYoHDK8Q_AUoAXoECAwQAQ&biw=360&bih=560&dpr=3

 

[Sand]

Anyone guess how bad its going to get? States have had days of warning and Laura just blew up into a cat 4 ........ I'd almost bet that Democrats will use Laura and blame Trump and the Fed Govt in some way for anything that might go wrong and for all that goes right, he will get zero credit. 

Our disaster recovery has improved exponentially.  Katrina taught some very hard lessons.  I expect this will go much smoother than that, and it helps that this area is a bit more accessible than NO was.  And less populated.

But politicians will be politicians.  The blue team has nothing to lose with heavy criticism as the affected areas are deep red.

 

[Stealthycat]

Here's the problem I see....you know the $300 a week Trump is promising for unemployment?  That money is being taken from the fund that is typically used for events like this....well, if the states can come up with the other $100.

money has to come from somewhere but don't worry, this administration/Congress will just add 2-3 trillion in debt for Laura and it'll all be good !!

 

[The Commish]

money has to come from somewhere but don't worry, this administration/Congress will just add 2-3 trillion in debt for Laura and it'll all be good !!

Yes...Congress....not FEMA.  It's absurd but I guess this is about what I expect from those who can't lead effectively.

 

[Stealthycat]

Yes...Congress....not FEMA.  It's absurd but I guess this is about what I expect from those who can't lead effectively.

reallocation is reallocation, its all funny money anyway ..... but dang, everyone said act now and get covid-19 relief going and Trump did that with FEMA resource and now people are complaining he did what they wanted him to do ??

 

[moleculo]

reallocation is reallocation, its all funny money anyway ..... but dang, everyone said act now and get covid-19 relief going and Trump did that with FEMA resource and now people are complaining he did what they wanted him to do ??

I'm complaining that he doesn't lead.  He gave up negotiating (did he even start?) and pulled money congressional allocated for hurricanes. 

 

[Stealthycat]

I'm complaining that he doesn't lead.  He gave up negotiating (did he even start?) and pulled money congressional allocated for hurricanes. 

I wasn't involved, I don't know ... but he's led really well IMO 

It is funny that the left has built him as a poor leader for almost 4 years and NOW complaining because everyone see's him as a poor leader. He is seen by the left exactly how CNN has painted him ............. and yet, things are still getting done.

There won't be any issues with FEMA money ........ if this storm impact is minimal, can the left give this administration credit for great hurricane relief of Laura ?? call it a Trump success ??

 

[The Commish]

reallocation is reallocation, its all funny money anyway ..... but dang, everyone said act now and get covid-19 relief going and Trump did that with FEMA resource and now people are complaining he did what they wanted him to do ??

weird coming from a self professed "fiscal conservative".  I don't think I ever said I wanted Trump to take FEMA resources and circumvent the Constitutional duty of Congress.  I certainly don't want him taking funds allocated to disaster recovery in the middle of hurricane season and fire season out west....that's just bizarre to say someone would be for that  

 

[Stealthycat]

weird coming from a self professed "fiscal conservative".  I don't think I ever said I wanted Trump to take FEMA resources and circumvent the Constitutional duty of Congress.  I certainly don't want him taking funds allocated to disaster recovery in the middle of hurricane season and fire season out west....that's just bizarre to say someone would be for that  

every year is fire season and hurricane season - this year is no different 

the national debt fight is over, gone, kaput .......... lets forget about it, because at 27-30 trillion now, its all funny money for our Fed Govt

the Fed Govt Pelosi and Biden etc have helped run for 40 years

when money is needed for Laura, it'll be borrowed, sent and everyone will be happy and people will get the help they need and THANK TRUMP for it, please

 

[Herb]

every year is fire season and hurricane season - this year is no different 

the national debt fight is over, gone, kaput .......... lets forget about it, because at 27-30 trillion now, its all funny money for our Fed Govt

the Fed Govt Pelosi and Biden etc have helped run for 40 years

when money is needed for Laura, it'll be borrowed, sent and everyone will be happy and people will get the help they need and THANK TRUMP for it, please

The money for FEMA already belonged to FEMA. Then Trump looted it to pay for Covid unemployment relief because he and his allies in the Republican led senate couldn't be bothered to get off their dead asses to come up with any sort of solution. Rinse. Repeat. 

My dad and his farmer family had a saying that applies perfectly to this senate. They are as worthless as ta-ta's on a boar.

Your party has done this, SC. Or I should say NOT done this. Or anything else worthwhile for the entirety of Trump's presidency.

Stay safe everyone. 

 

[The Commish]

every year is fire season and hurricane season - this year is no different 

the national debt fight is over, gone, kaput .......... lets forget about it, because at 27-30 trillion now, its all funny money for our Fed Govt

the Fed Govt Pelosi and Biden etc have helped run for 40 years

when money is needed for Laura, it'll be borrowed, sent and everyone will be happy and people will get the help they need and THANK TRUMP for it, please

Congrats on be assimilated into the matrix I guess.  I still have an interest in our government functioning as it should.   

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

every year is fire season and hurricane season - this year is no different 

the national debt fight is over, gone, kaput .......... lets forget about it, because at 27-30 trillion now, its all funny money for our Fed Govt

the Fed Govt Pelosi and Biden etc have helped run for 40 years

when money is needed for Laura, it'll be borrowed, sent and everyone will be happy and people will get the help they need and THANK TRUMP for it, please

Which of the tax cuts did Pelosi and/or Biden vote "in favor"?

 

[supermike80]

Literally NOTHING has happened yet.  The hurricane is darn near still there and this board is already blaming Trump for the response to it.  For what I dont quite know.

I realize the TDS thing can get overplayed here but can you guys actually let him screw it up first before you go all crazy?

Holy cow. 

 

[Stealthycat]

The money for FEMA already belonged to FEMA

FEMA is a Fed Govt agency, they don't own things and they don't have money that belongs to them ... they're owned and serve the people of the United States and during an earthquake, terrorist attack, flood or pandemic if they're needed and called on that's a good thing IMO

 

[Stealthycat]

Congrats on be assimilated into the matrix I guess.  I still have an interest in our government functioning as it should.   

I used to get a bit worked up about it too .... but the Fed Govt has now racked up what, 27-28 trillion in debt with the promise of more and now I realize it will never end. Ever. There is no accountability - in the past 6 months the Fed Govt has spent what, 5 trillion that they DO NOT HAVE .... its incredible and yet, nobody talks about it

that's not a govt functioning as it should

 

[Stealthycat]

Which of the tax cuts did Pelosi and/or Biden vote "in favor"?

tax cutting isn't the problem

spending 5 trillion in the past 6 months and never having accountability is the problem. We can raise taxes to 75% of everyones income ......... and the Fed Govt will spend it all and triple more

 

[Stealthycat]

Should Trump even involve himself in this?  Why wouldn't the states in the way solve their own problem?  If a nationwide pandemic isn't a Federal problem.....a storm hitting a portion of a couple of states shouldn't be either.  

Federal disaster recovery is the norm

Laura hit us smack straight on yesterday evening .... lots of rain, whipping winds ... blew through fast and even at a Cat 4 it looks like by and large people were ready and that's a great thing

the response to Laura has also been good it appears, so yeah another good thing

 

[sho nuff]

Literally NOTHING has happened yet.  The hurricane is darn near still there and this board is already blaming Trump for it.  For what I dont quite know.

I realize the TDS thing can get overplayed here but can you guys actually let him screw it up first before you go all crazy?

Holy cow. 

Literally nobody is blaming Trump for the hurricane.

But yes...continue with the initials/insults to people based on completely bogus assertions about what people are actually saying.  Maybe just read what people are saying vs assuming.

 

[SoBeDad]

Anyone guess how bad its going to get? States have had days of warning and Laura just blew up into a cat 4 ........ I'd almost bet that Democrats will use Laura and blame Trump and the Fed Govt in some way for anything that might go wrong and for all that goes right, he will get zero credit. 

Anyone in LA .... get ready .... my AR is going to get the remnants on Thu/Fri as well, TX and MS and other coastal will be affected too and the surge on this one looks big. 

I think most everything is on autopilot, as far as the local government teams, FEMA , and Trump's response. Trump will visit today and get appropriate media coverage. The only issue I've seen raised by media and the experts is what happens if FEMA funds run out, which may be more likely as a result of Trump's executive order to use them for unemployment benefits. Of course, Congress will allocate more funds for FEMA.  From left leaning NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/hurricane-laura-live-updates/2020/08/27/906864229/fema-assesses-hurricane-damage-taking-covid-19-precautions

 

[moleculo]

Literally NOTHING has happened yet.  The hurricane is darn near still there and this board is already blaming Trump for it.  For what I dont quite know.

I realize the TDS thing can get overplayed here but can you guys actually let him screw it up first before you go all crazy?

Holy cow. 

literally no one blames Trump for the hurricane.

Holy cow.

 

[supermike80]

Literally nobody is blaming Trump for the hurricane.

But yes...continue with the initials/insults to people based on completely bogus assertions about what people are actually saying.  Maybe just read what people are saying vs assuming.

I'm all done here.

 

[supermike80]

literally no one blames Trump for the hurricane.

Holy cow.

Not the hurricane, the response...My bad. 

 

[sho nuff]

I'm all done here.

It is not a hijack to respond to a post....especially one that was fall of false assertions and an insult thrown at posters.

 

[Stealthycat]

what happens if FEMA funds run out

give them billions - that's what the Govt does

understand there is no "run out" with this Fed Govt ... they'll just vote and add a few trillion to the national debt with no accountability 

 

[Stealthycat]

literally no one blames Trump for the hurricane.

Holy cow.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2020/08/26/hurricane-laura-looms-trump-is-again-man-without-plan/

Trump gets hate on everything

 

[Bottomfeeder Sports]

tax cutting isn't the problem

spending 5 trillion in the past 6 months and never having accountability is the problem. We can raise taxes to 75% of everyones income ......... and the Fed Govt will spend it all and triple more

You must not know that the Cato Foundation has on multiple occasions demonstrated that taxes and spending tend to follow a classic demand curve relationship.  That is in simplistic terms when the price is high the demand is low and when the price is low demand is high.  When taxes are cut spending goes up.  When taxes go up spending goes down.  So unless things have changed from the periods used in these studies (the rhetoric hasn't) than your premise was demonstrated to be false by those that wanted to prove that "cutting the governments allowance" would create fiscal restraint.   

 

[Stealthycat]

You must not know that the Cato Foundation has on multiple occasions demonstrated that taxes and spending tend to follow a classic demand curve relationship.  That is in simplistic terms when the price is high the demand is low and when the price is low demand is high.  When taxes are cut spending goes up.  When taxes go up spending goes down.  So unless things have changed from the periods used in these studies (the rhetoric hasn't) than your premise was demonstrated to be false by those that wanted to prove that "cutting the governments allowance" would create fiscal restraint.   

have taxes gone up in the past 4 years?

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

Amid Hurricane Laura's wreckage, concerns that historic disaster will go unnoticed by nation exist

 

[The Commish]

Amid Hurricane Laura's wreckage, concerns that historic disaster will go unnoticed by nation exist

Was just down in that area last weekend helping where we could.  It's was a shame no one was talking about it or really helping in any meaningful way.  There's a ton of work to do down there.

 

[Grace Under Pressure]

What federal response? A photo op where he signs a couple of pamphlets and tells the local electeds to put them on eBay for $10,000? Going rate for a Trump signature is like 10% of that, not to mention, that’s his actual response. Go there for a photo op in a hangar, and then go back to golfing, tweeting and lying. He averages around 10 lies per day and has golfed at his private resorts over 300 times for a total cost of $150 million to taxpayers. Sorry SW Louisiana, but you are in this on your own. He doesn’t care about you, it’s not a swing state.

 

[fruity pebbles]

Didn’t he use the federal emergency relief funds to extend the additional unemployment benefits? 

 

[The Commish]

Didn’t he use the federal emergency relief funds to extend the additional unemployment benefits? 

He's trying to...