Hybrid Draft - how does it work? (1 Viewer)

[stlrams]

Long time re-draft league that is looking into moving from traditional serpentine draft to an auction style for the 4 or 5 rounds then revert back to serpentine. How do you select which players to auction?? If auction just 4 rounds can some one use all their money on just two players or do you force everyone to have 4 players??? The hybrid option has more appeal since auction drafts typical take longer to conduct.

Thanks

 

[Jeff Pasquino]

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[CBFalcon]

I was thinking about starting a big keeper league (Maybe keep 5 players) in which we put in blind cash bids for the draft order.

has this ever been done?

High bid gets #1 pick...next highest gets #2...and so on.

 

[Chaz]

I would also be interested in hearing from someone who has tried this. I have been trying to get a league to switch to auction forever, but about half of the guys are scared or something. This may be a way to ease them into it.

My guess would be to allow nominations for the first six rounds or so, then go right to the draft portion for the remainder. However, like a regular auction, there will be some teams with many players and some with a couple. I suppose that some teams would just draft extra players at the end.

 

[(HULK)]

I did one last year.

Here is what we did.

The first 5 rounds were auction. The rest was serpentine draft. Each owner has $100 to spend. Each owner must get 5 players (no more or less) during the course of the auction.

Owners took turns (in draft order) nominating players with a starting bid. Once an owner has 5 players he can no longer nominate a player and is skipped over until the redraft portion. Continue until all teams have 5 players.

 

[Revo]

my league does this, and here's what we do (14 teams, annual re-draft):

- all 14 owners get $100 to spend

- the nomination order is chosen randomly, and each owner has 5 nominations

- each nomination can be any player available

- after the 3rd nomination round, there's a 5-minute trading session -- owners can trade their remaining $$$, nominations, players or draft picks for the same (i.e. an owner can trade his remaining $15, let's say, + a nomination for a draft pick.

- once an owner runs out of $$$, he can no longer bid on any players (so conceivably, an owner can get as few as ONE or TWO players)

- another trade session between nomination rounds 4 and 5;

- if an owner spends his cash and still has nominations remaining, those noms are burned

- auction ends after the last owner with noms flips out a player;

The draft then begins for the remaining players not flipped out in the auction, typically in either random order or reverse of nomination order.

This system is great because LT/LJ is not predetermined to land somewhere -- anyone can grab him. Teams can grab the equivalent of two or three first rounders if they're savvy enough. Or some doofuses can end up holding onto worthless cash with no one to blame but themselves.

We also use this in a baseball league. It works really, really well.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I'm in 2 leagues that do this and it's the best way to draft IMO. I'll give a few details now and try to post more later. Feel free to ask specific questions.

To answer your direct question, the Commish and some trusted advisers come up with a list a few days before the scheduled draft using Mock Draft data and general consensus of who the Top 30 or so players are. The order is tweaked a little so it's not a "true" draft order. We do this so Jermaine Wiggins isn't the first player auctioned before LT2 or LJ. We set the market with one of the expected Top 3 players.

Everybody is seated in some sort of horseshoe or square configuration. When the draft begins, everybody who wants to bid on the player stands up, bidding begins with a designated owner and proceeds to the left. If you continue bidding you stay standing. If you want to drop out you sit down when the bid reaches you or the bid exceeds the money you have remaining. After you win a player, subtract the amount you paid from your total and put it on a post-it note in front of you for the other owners to see at a glance.

A) 2 - 1/2 rounds of players are sold via a poker style bidding auction by name (in one league the auction order is set beforehand. In the other we group the named players in tiers and allow each owner to nominate a player from that tier to begin bidding)

B) Then a half-round of picks are auctioned the same way (win the bidding for a "Pick" and you choose any other player available)

C) And then 2 rounds of picks will be sold via 1-time written blind bids using however much is left in each owner's auction account.

We allow $0 bids and only whole $ amounts. Every team MUST have 5 players at the end of the auction portion.

Yes, you can use all your money on 2 players. In that case your blind bids are 0, 0, 0. Then the blind bids are arranged from highest to lowest. Any ties are grouped together for random ordering within that number. Say 3 people blind bid $3. Those 3 are randomized but only come after any $4 and higher bids.

Someone with 2 players and $7 left may choose to bid 4, 2, 1 or 5, 1, 1 or 7, 0, 0, etc. When randomizing, if I have 2 bids of 0 and another owner has a 0 bid, I can't have both 0 picks before his one 0 pick. Basically, every owner gets a pick at that level before an owner gets his 2nd pick at that level, if that makes sense.

Then you go to some sort of serpentine for the rest and thus avoid all the meaningless nominations and $1 B.S. to fill out your roster.

 

[cracKer]

To answer your direct question, the Commish and some trusted advisers come up with a list a few days before the scheduled draft using Mock Draft data and general consensus of who the Top 30 or so players are. The order is tweaked a little so it's not a "true" draft order. We do this so Jermaine Wiggins isn't the first player auctioned before LT2 or LJ. We set the market with one of the expected Top 3 players.Everybody is seated in some sort of horseshoe or square configuration. When the draft begins, everybody who wants to bid on the player stands up, bidding begins with a designated owner and proceeds to the left. If you continue bidding you stay standing. If you want to drop out you sit down when the bid reaches you or the bid exceeds the money you have remaining. After you win a player, subtract the amount you paid from your total and put it on a post-it note in front of you for the other owners to see at a glance.

We used to do something very similar. Select the top 20 players or so (2 per franchise, IDP included) and begin with an auction until those players were all purchased ($100 cap, no limit on amount of players you could win). After that we'd run a serpentine draft to finish out, switching up draft order every odd round.It took us a bit longer because we'd allow one pass (on the second "pass" you'd be out of the bidding for that player), but it did give us a taste of both worlds.

 

[bentley]

I'm in 2 leagues that do this and it's the best way to draft IMO. I'll give a few details now and try to post more later. Feel free to ask specific questions.

To answer your direct question, the Commish and some trusted advisers come up with a list a few days before the scheduled draft using Mock Draft data and general consensus of who the Top 30 or so players are. The order is tweaked a little so it's not a "true" draft order. We do this so Jermaine Wiggins isn't the first player auctioned before LT2 or LJ. We set the market with one of the expected Top 3 players.

Everybody is seated in some sort of horseshoe or square configuration. When the draft begins, everybody who wants to bid on the player stands up, bidding begins with a designated owner and proceeds to the left. If you continue bidding you stay standing. If you want to drop out you sit down when the bid reaches you or the bid exceeds the money you have remaining. After you win a player, subtract the amount you paid from your total and put it on a post-it note in front of you for the other owners to see at a glance.

A) 2 - 1/2 rounds of players are sold via a poker style bidding auction by name (in one league the auction order is set beforehand. In the other we group the named players in tiers and allow each owner to nominate a player from that tier to begin bidding)

B) Then a half-round of picks are auctioned the same way (win the bidding for a "Pick" and you choose any other player available)

C) And then 2 rounds of picks will be sold via 1-time written blind bids using however much is left in each owner's auction account.

We allow $0 bids and only whole $ amounts. Every team MUST have 5 players at the end of the auction portion.

Yes, you can use all your money on 2 players. In that case your blind bids are 0, 0, 0. Then the blind bids are arranged from highest to lowest. Any ties are grouped together for random ordering within that number. Say 3 people blind bid $3. Those 3 are randomized but only come after any $4 and higher bids.

Someone with 2 players and $7 left may choose to bid 4, 2, 1 or 5, 1, 1 or 7, 0, 0, etc. When randomizing, if I have 2 bids of 0 and another owner has a 0 bid, I can't have both 0 picks before his one 0 pick. Basically, every owner gets a pick at that level before an owner gets his 2nd pick at that level, if that makes sense.

Then you go to some sort of serpentine for the rest and thus avoid all the meaningless nominations and $1 B.S. to fill out your roster.

Why? Part of the fun is the guy that throws Jermaine Wiggins out there. Boy, let me tell you about my 2005 draft. I had the first nomination and threw Brandon Lloyd out there for six bucks to throw everyone off and steal him for cheap before everyone got into the flow of the auction. What a brilliant move that was.I think you should look at several options and see what works best for your group. This draft above looks needlessly complicated and not all that much fun to me, but it seems to work very well for this poster's league.

 

[diesel7982]

I did one last year.Here is what we did.The first 5 rounds were auction. The rest was serpentine draft. Each owner has $100 to spend. Each owner must get 5 players (no more or less) during the course of the auction.Owners took turns (in draft order) nominating players with a starting bid. Once an owner has 5 players he can no longer nominate a player and is skipped over until the redraft portion. Continue until all teams have 5 players.

If Im reading this right, it sounds like the person in the 60th draft position would get his player for $1. Am I wrong?Seems like a pretty nice advantage.

 

[roadkill1292]

I did one last year.Here is what we did.The first 5 rounds were auction. The rest was serpentine draft. Each owner has $100 to spend. Each owner must get 5 players (no more or less) during the course of the auction.Owners took turns (in draft order) nominating players with a starting bid. Once an owner has 5 players he can no longer nominate a player and is skipped over until the redraft portion. Continue until all teams have 5 players.

If Im reading this right, it sounds like the person in the 60th draft position would get his player for $1. Am I wrong?Seems like a pretty nice advantage.

That's sorta correct. It's also sorta correct that the traditional serpentine advantages begin in the fifth round with (HULK)'s league. I acted as auctioneer for a league that some of my league's owners belong to this year and they bought eight players via auction before switching to a serpentine. That meant that 112 players were off the board before they started drafting and that seemed to negate the draft position advantages pretty well.

 

[bigbrownbag]

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[(HULK)]

I did one last year.Here is what we did.The first 5 rounds were auction. The rest was serpentine draft. Each owner has $100 to spend. Each owner must get 5 players (no more or less) during the course of the auction.Owners took turns (in draft order) nominating players with a starting bid. Once an owner has 5 players he can no longer nominate a player and is skipped over until the redraft portion. Continue until all teams have 5 players.

If Im reading this right, it sounds like the person in the 60th draft position would get his player for $1. Am I wrong?Seems like a pretty nice advantage.

I doesn't work out like that exactly. When a person's got 5 players, he's out of the nominating process.Whoever was the last to get their 5th player got him for $1.My strategy in this scenario was to get 3 1st round level guys (I got Alexander, Holmes, and Manning), and then two guys on the cheap at the end of it.

 

[Johnny Rock]

I'm in 2 leagues that do this and it's the best way to draft IMO. I'll give a few details now and try to post more later. Feel free to ask specific questions.

To answer your direct question, the Commish and some trusted advisers come up with a list a few days before the scheduled draft using Mock Draft data and general consensus of who the Top 30 or so players are. The order is tweaked a little so it's not a "true" draft order. We do this so Jermaine Wiggins isn't the first player auctioned before LT2 or LJ. We set the market with one of the expected Top 3 players.

Everybody is seated in some sort of horseshoe or square configuration. When the draft begins, everybody who wants to bid on the player stands up, bidding begins with a designated owner and proceeds to the left. If you continue bidding you stay standing. If you want to drop out you sit down when the bid reaches you or the bid exceeds the money you have remaining. After you win a player, subtract the amount you paid from your total and put it on a post-it note in front of you for the other owners to see at a glance.

A) 2 - 1/2 rounds of players are sold via a poker style bidding auction by name (in one league the auction order is set beforehand. In the other we group the named players in tiers and allow each owner to nominate a player from that tier to begin bidding)

B) Then a half-round of picks are auctioned the same way (win the bidding for a "Pick" and you choose any other player available)

C) And then 2 rounds of picks will be sold via 1-time written blind bids using however much is left in each owner's auction account.

We allow $0 bids and only whole $ amounts. Every team MUST have 5 players at the end of the auction portion.

Yes, you can use all your money on 2 players. In that case your blind bids are 0, 0, 0. Then the blind bids are arranged from highest to lowest. Any ties are grouped together for random ordering within that number. Say 3 people blind bid $3. Those 3 are randomized but only come after any $4 and higher bids.

Someone with 2 players and $7 left may choose to bid 4, 2, 1 or 5, 1, 1 or 7, 0, 0, etc. When randomizing, if I have 2 bids of 0 and another owner has a 0 bid, I can't have both 0 picks before his one 0 pick. Basically, every owner gets a pick at that level before an owner gets his 2nd pick at that level, if that makes sense.

Then you go to some sort of serpentine for the rest and thus avoid all the meaningless nominations and $1 B.S. to fill out your roster.

Why? Part of the fun is the guy that throws Jermaine Wiggins out there. Boy, let me tell you about my 2005 draft. I had the first nomination and threw Brandon Lloyd out there for six bucks to throw everyone off and steal him for cheap before everyone got into the flow of the auction. What a brilliant move that was.I think you should look at several options and see what works best for your group. This draft above looks needlessly complicated and not all that much fun to me, but it seems to work very well for this poster's league.

In a pure auction you are correct. But since only 30 or so "named players" are auctioned in our hybrid, it makes no sense to throw out a late round guy like a Wiggins. If you do, that means a Top 30 guy falls. And for every late rounder that ends up in the auction portion (60 spots), that means someone is getting great value when the serpentine starts.The general philosophy of the hybrid auction, IMO, is that you can get any player you want in the draft and you aren't handicapped by draft order. And in the 6th round or later, when there is less separation between players, the draft can flow more smoothly because you know when you'll be picking next. Maybe it's just me, but I'm not thrilled to see all the meaningless $1 bids for PK's, most Def's and others.

In a pure auction, yeah, I'm aware of the strategy of throwing your sleepers or players other teams covet out there early, but I don't think it applies well to the hybrid auction.