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Hybrid IDPs, which ones are in favorable situations? (1 Viewer)

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I just finished reading http://forums.footballguys.com/forum/index...howtopic=250498

It talks about how terrel suggs is a hybrid DL/OLB. Suggs is listed on MFL as a DE and as such is a top 5 player. If he were to be marked as a LB, then he would marginally be worth having on your roster and probly would only be started due to bye week considerations.

What I am hoping to learn from this topic is a list of IDP players who are in hybrid situations but I would like them grouped into positive and negative situations.

For instance

Good:

Terrel Suggs OLB/DE - listed as DE on MFL

Bad:

Demarcus Ware OLB/DE - listed as LB on MFL

 
Players on my radar that fall in this category I'd appreciate board consideration of:

A. Carter - DE/LB WAS

B. Thomas - DE/LB NYJ

T. Davis - DB/LB CAR

 
Hybrids and tweeners. Anybody else getting sick of that? :)

Situations in question:

3-4 OLB in Belichick's multiple front defenses:

Roosevelt Colvin, Mike Vrabel, Willie McGinest, Kamerion Wimbley, Bryan Thomas

These guys are LBs despite all this "hybrid" talk. They'll have no value unless you're in a league that greatly values sacks over tackles. Even then, their value may be questionable. Not all are proficient enough in any one skill (run support, pass rush, coverage) to be consistently valuable. McGinest and Vrabel have had good seasons as all around players, so too may Wimbley or Thomas in the future, but consistency will always be an issue.

3-4 OLB used primarily as rush LB:

DeMarcus Ware, Manny Lawson, Joey Porter

Similar to the first category, these three guys are LB by scheme, period. Because they are weak in run support and coverage or are rarely used in those roles, they are even more inconsistent than the first group. Lawson may eventually work himself out of this category. But these guys are probably spot starters in even the most sack heavy leagues.

3-4 OLB who are all around players:

Shawne Merriman, Steve Foley, Clark Haggans, Bobby Carpenter

These guys have proven to be talented across the board. Of course, some are less valuable than those in Category 1 because they don't make enough plays in the boxscore (eg. Foley, Haggans). Merriman is likely to transcend this pigeonhole in time after showing some ability in run support last season and an ungodly ability to make big plays in the backfield. Carpenter may prove to be valuable because he is a true all around backer.

4-3 defensive ends in "goofy" (read: confusing) defenses:

Jason Taylor, Terrell Suggs, Andre Carter

IMO, even though these guys do play a little coverage and are technically playing in a 3 man front at times, they are correctly labeled as DE. Obviously 4-3 ends like this are studs. I'd have trouble sanctioning a move to a LB designation as an MFL commish unless there is significant changes in how they are used on the field.

My approach is to try to understand the way these guys will be used within their schemes and then see how their skill set fits. It's always best to assume that they'll be "correctly" slotted before risking picks on them in a league hoping for a loophole of value. I don't disagree with Rovers that these guys are more valuable to their NFL defenses than to your fantasy squad. That's the case in many situations - Troy Aikman, shutdown corners, stud NT. Sometimes there isn't an easy scoring system fix. For now, unless you're seeing a transcendant player like Merriman, it's better to let somebody else frustrate themselves with these guys. It isn't worth the frequent 3 pt headache when you get a 2-1-0 boxscore half the time.

 
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I don't know. I had Terrel Suggs last year and he was an every week starter for me. Placed like top 5 in fantasy pts for zealots.

 
I don't know. I had Terrel Suggs last year and he was an every week starter for me. Placed like top 5 in fantasy pts for zealots.
I think Jene is saying the same thing you are:
4-3 defensive ends in "goofy" (read: confusing) defenses:

Jason Taylor, Terrell Suggs, Andre Carter

IMO, even though these guys do play a little coverage and are technically playing in a 3 man front at times, they are correctly labeled as DE. Obviously 4-3 ends like this are studs. I'd have trouble sanctioning a move to a LB designation as an MFL commish unless there is significant changes in how they are used on the field.
 

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