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I got #1 pick. Who would you pick #1, convince me (1 Viewer)

Mr. Chumley

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I got the number one pick in our redraft league. Obviously I'm choosing between LT, LJ and Alexander. I'm leaning towards Alexander because I'm just not sure LJ will hold up being #1 all year and they have a new coach and LT has a new qb.

What would you do?

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.

Step 2 - I personally would take LT, but can certainly understand taking LJ.

 
What is your scoring format? If you get 1 PPR for RB, then I would pick LT. No PPR then I would pick LJ.

I don't like SA this year. I think he falls out of the top 5.

 
I got the number one pick in our redraft league. Obviously I'm choosing between LT, LJ and Alexander. I'm leaning towards Alexander because I'm just not sure LJ will hold up being #1 all year and they have a new coach and LT has a new qb.

What would you do?
I wouldn't take any of those three. I would take Reggie Bush :rolleyes: Seriously, I would try to trade down to the 1.03, so that you can get a better pick in the 2nd round because all three of these guys would be great.

 
Trade down to #2 or #3 in the first and smile all the way to the bank..
the hard part will be finding someone to trade with
True. Especially if they realize that they will get one of the top three simply by holding pat. What you want is a player lover. The guy that just loves LT or LJ or SA. He'll trade just to get 'his' guy.
 
Trade down to #2 or #3 in the first and smile all the way to the bank..
the hard part will be finding someone to trade with
True. Especially if they realize that they will get one of the top three simply by holding pat. What you want is a player lover. The guy that just loves LT or LJ or SA. He'll trade just to get 'his' guy.
I got lucky last year with another owner who wanted to trade down. He had the #1 overall and loved Priest Holmes. I told him the price was too steep to trade up (I had the #3) so he ended up choosing Holmes while Alexander slid to me :thumbup:
 
Slightly leaning towards LJ if I had pick #1.

LT scares me for one reason..

Phillip Rivers.. BIG unknown.. if he can't step it up teams will have 7 or 8 man fronts all game long. :kicksrock:

 
I am kind of in a similar situation. I have both Shaun Alexander and Larry Johnson in a keeper league and I get to keep one. I am going to go with LJ because of the following reasons:

a) Consistency in the O-Line and personnel.

b) Edwards is stating that they will RUN more this year.

c) LJ has eclipsed 100 rushing yards in 12 out his first 15 starts with 9 in a row last year. He has eclipsed 100 total yards in all 15 of his starts!

d) His fantasy average is over 27 ppg when starting, and this is 5 ppg higher than Shaun Alexander had last year.

e) He is averaging 1.92 TD's per game in his 15 starts, and has only been held scoreless once in those starts.

 
I read about Bush’s attempt to workout with LT. Apparently Bush left his lunch on the premises. This tells me all I need to know about LT. No question on who I would take at #1.

 
Slightly leaning towards LJ if I had pick #1.

LT scares me for one reason..

Phillip Rivers.. BIG unknown.. if he can't step it up teams will have 7 or 8 man fronts all game long. :kicksrock:
:lmao: Tomlinson probably hasn't seen a 7-man front since his rookie season.
 
I would like to trade but I don't think is going to happen.

Do you think LJ's line is going to be as good as Alexanders. I know Seattle took a hit on the o-line. I wonder how this will effect Shaun.

 
Trade down to #2 or #3 in the first and smile all the way to the bank..
I would actually agree with this, if at all possible. Since if you can weasel a pick or two out of the people with the 1.02 or 1.03 pick. If they absolutely want LJ, then say "Hey, I'm seriously considering taking LJ (or LT or SA). If you want him, I'd be willing to move down a little so you can have him. I'm not asking much. I'd be willing to for your <insert pick here> to do so." And see if they bite. In a redraft, I wouldn't go TOO nuts with what pick you want to weasel out of them. If you're lucky, maybe a 4th or 5th round pick. Plus, if you CAN find a willing buyer, you can still get one of the top 3 backs (whoever remains)...If none of that is feasible, then I'd consider what type of league. You said redraft, so any of the three would work. If it were a dynasty, or even keeper, I'd probably consider LT, LJ, then SA in that order. In a PPR league, I'd definitely go LT, then LJ, then SA. Alexander's receptions have been going down lately, and LJ had a decent number of receptions/yards last season, which is encouraging. If it's not a PPR league, then you can't go wrong with LT or LJ first, then SA.

 
Slightly leaning towards LJ if I had pick #1.

LT scares me for one reason..

Phillip Rivers.. BIG unknown.. if he can't step it up teams will have 7 or 8 man fronts all game long. :kicksrock:
He's had 7&8 man front his whole career. In ppr league I see LT2 as the #1. Traditional TD/yards only league I rank em : LJ,LT2, SA

 
in 9 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 9 starts.......you need more convincing than that?

edit: 9 starts not 8

 
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in 8 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 8 starts.......you need more convincing than that?
Remember last year when everyone was hyping KJ because of his great finish the year before? Hint, Hint, Hint.I would take LT.

As a matter of fact in a dynasty league I drafted two weeks ago I did take LT at the 1.1 .

 
in 8 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 8 starts.......you need more convincing than that?
Remember last year when everyone was hyping KJ because of his great finish the year before? Hint, Hint, Hint.I would take LT.

As a matter of fact in a dynasty league I drafted two weeks ago I did take LT at the 1.1 .
you can't possibly compare the situation with Detroit with the running game factory in Kansas City.KJ's finish in the last 8 games of 2003 were

172/906/4 rushing

21/119/0 receiving

slight difference

 
in 8 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 8 starts.......you need more convincing than that?
Remember last year when everyone was hyping KJ because of his great finish the year before? Hint, Hint, Hint.I would take LT.

As a matter of fact in a dynasty league I drafted two weeks ago I did take LT at the 1.1 .
you can't possibly compare the situation with Detroit with the running game factory in Kansas City.KJ's finish in the last 8 games of 2003 were

172/906/4 rushing

21/119/0 receiving

slight difference
KJ was an example: I know that LJ last year was godlike. But the safer pick IMHO is LT and remember LJ has only done it for less than one year.LT has done it since he got in the league.

 
It's all becoming clear as mud. Our points system is 1/10yds rushing or recieving and 6 per td. At least now I'm leaning more to LJ and LT than SA.

What about LJ'S durability? You think he canlast the entire season?

 
It's all becoming clear as mud. Our points system is 1/10yds rushing or recieving and 6 per td. At least now I'm leaning more to LJ and LT than SA.

What about LJ'S durability? You think he canlast the entire season?
KC running backs seem to get hurt alot that offense rides them hard.
 
KJ was an example:  I know that LJ last year was godlike. But the safer pick IMHO is LT and remember LJ has only done it for less than one year.

LT has done it since he got in the league.
he's only been the starter for 1/2 season, and he was behind one of the greatest fantasy RBs of all time. It would be different if he'd been the starter for another season and not produced at near that level.and LT has NEVER had an 9 game stretch like that. In fact, he's only had one season where he scored more points (non-ppr) than LJ had last year (only 9 starts).

I can't believe I'm putting down LT :bag: I love the guy, but LJ's finish last year is too much for me to ignore.

edit: 9 starts not 8

 
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It is sort of a toss up to me.

Today I would tend to lean toward LT or SA over LJ. One thing that worries me about LJ is securing the right backup if you like to handcuff your stud. In KC is that handcuff going to be Priest?, Q Griffin? Brown? Bennett in trade?

In SD and SEA you know who the handcuff is and I feel confident both can be solid should the stud go down. You may have to draft that handcuff a bit earlier but at least you feel comfortable that you have that running game locked in.

Just one of the things I would factor in to my decision.

 
It is sort of a toss up to me. Today I would tend to lean toward LT or SA over LJ. One thing that worries me about LJ is securing the right backup if you like to handcuff your stud. In KC is that handcuff going to be Priest?, Q Griffin? Brown? Bennett in trade?
a good point, especially if you're drafting now or soon. and if you have them very, very close (which i don't), that could be a deciding factor. however, it's so early in the offseason, the backup spot in KC has a lot of time to work itself out.
 
LJ has 100 total yards or more in all of his 15 starts and he has an average of nearly 2 TD's per start; over 27 ppg!

His minimum fantasy points scored in those starts is 17 [his only time under 20]!

Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, LT, Marshall Faulk, non of them have done this. Faulk came the closest in 2000.

Granted LJ needs to do this over the complete 16 games, but the Kansas City O-line is in tact and I see LJ running for the record book!

KC's RB's do not have an injury bug either. Priest Holmes missed time due to a horse collar tackle which resulted in an awkward landing and the hip thing, and then last year he took a hit to the head which has resulted in the mysterious neck injury. IMHO, these were not due to fatigue or any sort of injury bug, but just plain unluckiness.

 
LJ has 100 total yards or more in all of his 15 starts and he has an average of nearly 2 TD's per start; over 27 ppg!

His minimum fantasy points scored in those starts is 17 [his only time under 20]!

Shaun Alexander, Priest Holmes, LT, Marshall Faulk, non of them have done this. Faulk came the closest in 2000.

Granted LJ needs to do this over the complete 16 games, but the Kansas City O-line is in tact and I see LJ running for the record book!

KC's RB's do not have an injury bug either. Priest Holmes missed time due to a horse collar tackle which resulted in an awkward landing and the hip thing, and then last year he took a hit to the head which has resulted in the mysterious neck injury. IMHO, these were not due to fatigue or any sort of injury bug, but just plain unluckiness.
Will you please give me the magic formula for determining which injuries are "plain unluckiness" and which are real ones, because both look the same to me.Just curious.

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
Im not sure about this yet.Watching the Herm-led Jets a lot over the last few years, its clear he makes the offense more predictable, and generally plays it close to the vest. The great balance of the Chiefs offense is part of what makes those RBs so lethal, and sets them up with opportunities to get 20+ TDs. There's no denying that the Jets offense was conservative under Herm, and the Chiefs offense was opened up under Vermeil. Is the Chiefs personnel so overwhelming that it won't matter? I am taking a wait and see attitude on that question.

 
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got a projection?
#1. That's my projection. What made Priest Holmes great? Obviously he wasn't that great in Baltimore. The system he was in with the Chiefs made him a monster. It made LJ a monster. That system is no longer in place in KC. But it will be in place in DC. The guy is in his prime. The line is very good. And now Al Saunders is the OC. I would say 1900 yards and 20 TD's is not out of the realm of possibility. Not sure on the catches and yards but who cares after 1900 and 20.....

 
got a projection?
#1. That's my projection. What made Priest Holmes great? Obviously he wasn't that great in Baltimore. The system he was in with the Chiefs made him a monster. It made LJ a monster. That system is no longer in place in KC. But it will be in place in DC. The guy is in his prime. The line is very good. And now Al Saunders is the OC. I would say 1900 yards and 20 TD's is not out of the realm of possibility. Not sure on the catches and yards but who cares after 1900 and 20.....
the OC in Kansas City now is Solari, who was promoted from offensive line coach. you really think they're suddenly going to dump something that's worked so well? Herm can't be that stupid.
Solari takes over a Kansas City offense that has ranked among the league leaders in virtually every major category over the past five seasons. Solari was an integral part of that offensive success and played a key role in developing Kansas City’s game plans over that timeframe, particularly as it related to the running game and protection packages.

Thanks in large part to the efforts of Solari and Kansas City’s offensive linemen, the Chiefs averaged a league-high 380.9 yards per game from 2001-05, while ranking second in the NFL by averaging 27.0 points per game over that span. Kansas City also averaged 137.3 rushing yards per game and allowed just 30.0 sacks per season, both totals that ranked fourth in the league over the past five campaigns.
Although I agree Saunders in DC bodes well for Portis. You're 1900/20 is reasonable.
 
Every offseason Alexander is labeled as a soft runner who is about to have a huge decline in prodution.

If you feel that anyone else is going to do better than 1800 yards and 25 td's take them. If not, Alexander is the obvios pick.

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
And why is that exactly? It's not as much about it being Herm as it is about it not being Vermeil. The last few years KC just fed the ball to their RBs inside the 10 in nearly every situation. Now there are completely different people calling the plays.
 
LJ in a heartbeat or trade down to one of the SA LT man lovers.

Do that, talk to the #2 and #3 owners and be straight with them. Ask each who they are gunning for and try to trade.

 
I read about Bush’s attempt to workout with LT.  Apparently Bush left his lunch on the premises.  This tells me all I need to know about LT.  No question on who I would take at #1.
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Suffice it to say, I would take not only the most talented but the hardest working RB in the league LaDainian Tomlinson.
During the summer, Bush explained, he worked out with Chargers running back LaDainian Tomlinson, whose regimen was so demanding that Bush got sick.

"It was the first time I ever threw up in a workout," Bush said. "I like to think of myself in pretty good shape, and he showed me what it takes. It's a whole other level. It changed my whole workout, my whole thought process, and I came back with a renewed focus."
http://www.signonsandiego.com/sports/colle...n11heisman.html
 
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Slightly leaning towards LJ if I had pick #1.

LT scares me for one reason..

Phillip Rivers.. BIG unknown.. if he can't step it up teams will have 7 or 8 man fronts all game long. :kicksrock:
:lmao: Tomlinson probably hasn't seen a 7-man front since his rookie season.
:goodposting:
Ok, then 9.. Heck 10, with a safety dropping back. ;) Really, they may have put 7 or eight up front, but brees brought enough to keep them semi honest that the LB's had to stay in a Run/Pass defense.

Until Rivers proves himself the LB's will be playing run 1st, 2nd and then pass.

Will be watching Pre-season with :stalker: to see if Rivers can keep the defense's honest.

Besides..

It's a little early but, short of injury, LJ WILL out score LT this season in Non-PPR leagues.. :moneybag:

 
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Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
And why is that exactly? It's not as much about it being Herm as it is about it not being Vermeil. The last few years KC just fed the ball to their RBs inside the 10 in nearly every situation. Now there are completely different people calling the plays.
Do you really think Herm will pass more?Consider, 2004 (not using 2005 due to the team being behind, requiring more passing)

Jets

Rush attempts: 527, Passing 438.

Chiefs

2004: Rush attempts: 496, passed 561

The other years, IIRC aren't too dissimilar. Also, at least IMO, the Chiefs D continues to improve.

Herm will run more

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
And why is that exactly? It's not as much about it being Herm as it is about it not being Vermeil. The last few years KC just fed the ball to their RBs inside the 10 in nearly every situation. Now there are completely different people calling the plays.
Do you really think Herm will pass more?Consider, 2004 (not using 2005 due to the team being behind, requiring more passing)

Jets

Rush attempts: 527, Passing 438.

Chiefs

2004: Rush attempts: 496, passed 561

The other years, IIRC aren't too dissimilar. Also, at least IMO, the Chiefs D continues to improve.

Herm will run more
I understand you're responding to FreeBa, but I think Blooms case may be more to the point. If Herm isn't as creative or aggressive as Vermiel the KC offense may suffer from predictability. More running doesn't mean more production, certainly not more TDs. The offense could slump a little as the D improves too. I'd take LJ #1 overall, only trade for lopsided value, and never look back.

I'd take LT #2 overall.

With #3 overall I'd shop...

my .02 05/06

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
And why is that exactly? It's not as much about it being Herm as it is about it not being Vermeil. The last few years KC just fed the ball to their RBs inside the 10 in nearly every situation. Now there are completely different people calling the plays.
Run LJ Run :yes: :yes:

EDWARDS: “It needs the ability to help our defense more. We have a great running back. The easiest way to get that guy the ball is to turn around and give it to him. You need to run the ball to do that. I just think in certain games you have to have the mentality that if you’re going to win on the road in a hostile environment you have to have a good running game. Period. That’s what teams do.”
http://kcchiefs.com/news/2006/05/22/qa_wit...rm_edwardsmc21/
 
IMO if I had #1 I draft LJ without question.

Last couple of years LT has slowed by years end. Also LT has been rated #1 last couple of years by most and has not achieved that ranking.

 
Step 1 - understand than Herm Edwards is not a negative for LJ.
Im not sure about this yet.Watching the Herm-led Jets a lot over the last few years, its clear he makes the offense more predictable, and generally plays it close to the vest. The great balance of the Chiefs offense is part of what makes those RBs so lethal, and sets them up with opportunities to get 20+ TDs. There's no denying that the Jets offense was conservative under Herm, and the Chiefs offense was opened up under Vermeil. Is the Chiefs personnel so overwhelming that it won't matter? I am taking a wait and see attitude on that question.
Ok, that makes sense. Seems to me that Herm is smart enough to know how to mix it up, IIRC CurMar was pretty succesful in NY, despite having an arguably lesser cast of players around him. Not #1 FF caliber, but very good. I really don't see LJ's production dropping because of the coach. Other factors might account for a drop, most important the health of Shields and Roaf. My comment was simply in response to the original post that dropped LJ due to "I'm just not sure LJ will hold up being #1 all year and they have a new coach"

I could see the argument for a drop in TDs. FWIW, I wouldn't take LJ over LT, but I would take either over Alexander.

BTW - it isn't Vermiel's creativity, it was Saunders. Washington fans are in for a very exciting year. The new OC for KC is the old OL coach, so while there isn't another Saunders, the offense shouldn't lose a whole lot.

 
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in 9 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 9 starts.......you need more convincing than that?

edit: 9 starts not 8
I read somewhere is was the best 9 game run in NFL history. :popcorn:

 
in 8 starts, LJ had

261/1351/16 rushing

27/276/1 receiving

in 8 starts.......you need more convincing than that?
Remember last year when everyone was hyping KJ because of his great finish the year before? Hint, Hint, Hint.I would take LT.

As a matter of fact in a dynasty league I drafted two weeks ago I did take LT at the 1.1 .
are you comparing KJ to LJ?... DET to KC?... I love it!... thats the funniest thing I have ever heard... seriously though, LJ had 336 carries in nine starts without even so much as a case of the sniffles. He is 6'1 230, I think he can handle the load, durability doesnt even enter into it. I dont think you can go wrong with any of the three, but I like LJ at this stage 2093yds 21tds in nine starts is undeniable. What you feel comfortable with is the way to go.
 

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