I just fired a guy for (1 Viewer)

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

I was referring tobthe contract part. I know they were within their legal boundaries to fire him

Then why do you keep insisting morals were involved?

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

I was referring tobthe contract part. I know they were within their legal boundaries to fire him

Then why do you keep insisting morals were involved?

Oh jesus

Im not

Im discussing whether they should be and how they should apply.

 

[Notorious T.R.E.]

We have the same rules at our company but I'm pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

 

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

I was referring tobthe contract part. I know they were within their legal boundaries to fire him

Then why do you keep insisting morals were involved?

Oh jesus

Im not

Im discussing whether they should be and how they should apply.

Is this another one of those irrelevant hypotheticals DD was talking about?

 

[ChainsawU]

Sup dudes. Just wanted to drop in and see if y'all were talking about anything remotely resembling HR. I think the question you guys are looking for is, "Does this guy's consumption of drugs while at work impair his ability to perform the job safely and effectively." Cheers dudes.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

I was referring tobthe contract part. I know they were within their legal boundaries to fire him

Then why do you keep insisting morals were involved?

Oh jesusIm not

Im discussing whether they should be and how they should apply.

Is this another one of those irrelevant hypotheticals DD was talking about?

HELL YEAH!

 

[ChainsawU]

We have the same rules at our company but in pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

OP, was this option considered or discussed before you fired the dude?

 

[TenTimes]

We have the same rules at our company but in pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

OP, was this option considered or discussed before you fired the dude?

If we were allowed to like avatars I'd like yours the most

 

[Doctor Detroit]

We have the same rules at our company but in pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

OP, was this option considered or discussed before you fired the dude?

Doesn't the law fall on the side of the guy who self-identifies? Seems like this guy might have done that by admitting to his peers that he was ####-faced.

 

[Guest]

Right to work state? Not that it matters. Sounds like no issues with the termination.

Oh, my company has bonus goals/levels. The first level is a steak fry and beer. They got behind on the steak frys so for a while we were having them every-other week. All on company property.

 

[MC Gas Money]

We have the same rules at our company but in pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

OP, was this option considered or discussed before you fired the dude?

Doesn't the law fall on the side of the guy who self-identifies? Seems like this guy might have done that by admitting to his peers that he was ####-faced.

But this guy may have been sleeping with thr OP's wife too.

 

[bluemagic]

MCGM really knows how to Woz up a thread.

 

[Gene Sackman]

That's why I drink Hennigan's Scotch.

H. E. Double N. I...

 

[5Rings]

We have the same rules at our company but in pretty sure we have to try and get them to go to treatment before trying to ####-can them.

OP, was this option considered or discussed before you fired the dude?

This was the last straw in a series of incidents and decisions the ex-employee made that showed he was not going to toe the company line. The fact it happened 4 days after his poor management review, and me giving him the "get your #### together if you want to be here, i've invested a ton in you, we are counting on you" talk was a slap in the face to the entire team. So...no.

 

[Sebowski]

I love working from home. Some days I'm completely blasted by 3PM.

And most of the time you're blasted by 1?

 

[Ilov80s]

Drinking on the job? Pretty much a no brainer. When you factor in he is in production, was acting sketchy and wasn't that great in the first place, I am not sure why you feel guilty.

 

[Sebowski]

Context is everything here. I used to run a bar at a private club and one year the the board of directors was mostly squares. One guy was a doctor, another a teacher. They both said "if I drank on the job I would be fired, so I don't think anyone who works in a bar should be allowed to drink either"

 

[jon_mx]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Once he admitted taking a controlled substance, privacy went right out the window I would assume.

 

[belljr]

Our policy is a sip of alcohol you can't reenter the building

 

[DocHolliday]

If the company policy states that employees can be terminated for consuming alcohol on company time, the OP had the right to terminate the employee.

The employee should have been driven to a hospital/clinic for a breath test to verify the suspicion though.

 

[KCitons]

So for clarification, the guy was fired for being drunk? Or he was fired for poor performance?

If you removed one or the other, would he still have a job?

 

[IC FBGCav]

Everyone at my company including the owner would be fired if this was the standard. Drinking after noon on a Friday is common around here. Sadly, I don't partake much because I have a long drive home. A few employees can walk home from here.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Our policy is a sip of alcohol you can't reenter the building

What if it is nyquil?

 

[Tick]

MCGM, you're a lot of work.

 

[MC Gas Money]

MCGM, you're a lot of work.

Im just defending the rights of the working man.

Carrying on the legacy of Upton Sinclair.

 

[Maelstrom]

At work we are treated like adults. We could have a beer at work if we wanted (and we have) - it's all about getting your work done. We also have a "beer cart" (just like it sounds) from time to time as well as frequent "happy hour" type events. Heck, we have a half-stocked bar in one of the cabinets and there is beer in the snack fridge right now.

I'm not saying this guy didn't deserve to get fired, it really depends on the type of work being done and the expectations. But I think people in this thread saying that any drinking at work is a fire-able offense should get outside their own office/industry a little more.

 

[proninja]

You didn't fire him for drinking at lunch. You fired him for being a crappy employee. You used drinking as an excuse.

 

[johnnycakes]

At work we are treated like adults. We could have a beer at work if we wanted (and we have) - it's all about getting your work done. We also have a "beer cart" (just like it sounds) from time to time as well as frequent "happy hour" type events. Heck, we have a half-stocked bar in one of the cabinets and there is beer in the snack fridge right now.

I'm not saying this guy didn't deserve to get fired, it really depends on the type of work being done and the expectations. But I think people in this thread saying that any drinking at work is a fire-able offense should get outside their own office/industry a little more.

Yeah, if he's an air traffic controller, for example, I can see how any alcohol over lunch might be verboten.

 

[Zow]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

 

[Zow]

At work we are treated like adults. We could have a beer at work if we wanted (and we have) - it's all about getting your work done. We also have a "beer cart" (just like it sounds) from time to time as well as frequent "happy hour" type events. Heck, we have a half-stocked bar in one of the cabinets and there is beer in the snack fridge right now.

I'm not saying this guy didn't deserve to get fired, it really depends on the type of work being done and the expectations. But I think people in this thread saying that any drinking at work is a fire-able offense should get outside their own office/industry a little more.

Interesting.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

Hey MC Gas Money>you know you're logged in as Zow right?

 

[Josie Maran]

It's the guy's own fault for coming back after lunch. Friggin' rookies.

 

[Zow]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

Hey MC Gas Money>you know you're logged in as Zow right?

Yep. Shoulda seen the shtick we pulled in the lawyer thread.

 

[Card Trader]

At work we are treated like adults. We could have a beer at work if we wanted (and we have) - it's all about getting your work done. We also have a "beer cart" (just like it sounds) from time to time as well as frequent "happy hour" type events. Heck, we have a half-stocked bar in one of the cabinets and there is beer in the snack fridge right now.

I'm not saying this guy didn't deserve to get fired, it really depends on the type of work being done and the expectations. But I think people in this thread saying that any drinking at work is a fire-able offense should get outside their own office/industry a little more.

Our work stocks fridges full of beer for us, we are allowed to drink when we want, there is no restriction. I've never seen anyone drunk in the office and most people have a beer on fridays or after work. I guess it's all about how "adult" everyone acts and realizes that it's a benefit that can be taken and/or cost you your job if you don't exercise some maturity.

In the tech industry this isn't uncommon.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

Hey MC Gas Money>you know you're logged in as Zow right?

Yep. Shoulda seen the shtick we pulled in the lawyer thread.

You refer to yourself as "we?"

 

[Zow]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

Hey MC Gas Money>you know you're logged in as Zow right?

Yep. Shoulda seen the shtick we pulled in the lawyer thread.

You refer to yourself as "we?"

Isn't that how all schizos do it?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Drinking after work isn't nearly the same as drinking during the day. I recognize it may be position specific, but, for example, my boss, other associates, and I will oftentimes have beers in the office at the end of the day or week. But if I had one at lunch with work still needing to be done, I'd expect to be immediately fired for it.

Hey MC Gas Money>you know you're logged in as Zow right?

Yep. Shoulda seen the shtick we pulled in the lawyer thread.

You refer to yourself as "we?"

Isn't that how all schizos do it?

No idea but I'm sure you guys will figure it out.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

 

[Christo]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?

Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

 

[bluemagic]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?

Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

I can vouch for this.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

I can vouch for this.

Thank you

Out of curiosity did you ever post under bluemagic during my 5 year hiatus? Or only once I came back?

Btw if you want to use zoidberg I think I gave them the same password

 

[bluemagic]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

I can vouch for this.

Thank you

Out of curiosity did you ever post under bluemagic during my 5 year hiatus? Or only once I came back?

Btw if you want to use zoidberg I think I gave them the same password

This account was used once or twice during your hiatus.

I don't recall the original password so no go with DZ account.

 

[MC Gas Money]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

I can vouch for this.

Thank youOut of curiosity did you ever post under bluemagic during my 5 year hiatus? Or only once I came back?

Btw if you want to use zoidberg I think I gave them the same password

This account was used once or twice during your hiatus.

I don't recall the original password so no go with DZ account.

Sorry I dont remember it either.

Did you make it clear that you were not me when you posted?

 

[bluemagic]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Well then what the heck do he and I have in common?Im accused of being half a dozen people. I cant be using 6 profiles.

Ive never had an alias. Ive never owned two profiles at the same time. I gave bluemagic away 5 years ago so it does not count as an alias

I can vouch for this.

Thank youOut of curiosity did you ever post under bluemagic during my 5 year hiatus? Or only once I came back?

Btw if you want to use zoidberg I think I gave them the same password

This account was used once or twice during your hiatus.

I don't recall the original password so no go with DZ account.

Sorry I dont remember it either.

Did you make it clear that you were not me when you posted?

I can guarantee it was in a thread where the people knew it wasn't you.

 

[Zow]

I am not zow. I am clearly not a lawyer.

There are many who will not see this as a convincing argument.

Dammit I knew as soon as he posted it at least one comment was coming.