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[Drifter]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Maybe so. Our 2nd floor patio has really nice ocean views, and we've had some Friday evening company bonding events (with alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages available). I was hoping we were all adult enough to handle. Good points by all, thanks.

Isn't serving booze on company property a huge liability?

Meh. Beer Fridays are a legitimate thing here and beers at department parties/lunches are not uncommon.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.

I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.

And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

 

[Fennis]

I work for a very large company and we have drinks somewhat frequently either paid for by the company or people bring in their own bottles.

 

[MC Gas Money]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.

If you have a scrip then its all good

 

[Doctor Detroit]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Maybe so. Our 2nd floor patio has really nice ocean views, and we've had some Friday evening company bonding events (with alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages available). I was hoping we were all adult enough to handle. Good points by all, thanks.

Isn't serving booze on company property a huge liability?

Meh. Beer Fridays are a legitimate thing here and beers at department parties/lunches are not uncommon.

Then you probably aren't shocked when one of your employees gets hammered at lunch.

 

[Peyton Marino]

you had to know mcgm would get involved at some point here.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.

If you have a scrip then its all good

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Lets be honest. The OP just needed an excuse to fire the guy. If he was a top worker for the company and showed up plastered he would have been given leniency.

 

[Drifter]

This is a casual work environment (shorts / polos), we have had (after hours) happy hours and drinks on the back patio, but a line needs to be drawn during work hours IMO.

Am I jerk, or should I not worry about it?

Not sure you are a jerk, but if your company is encouraging drinks on the patio, you have some issues.

Maybe so. Our 2nd floor patio has really nice ocean views, and we've had some Friday evening company bonding events (with alcoholic and non-alcoholic beverages available). I was hoping we were all adult enough to handle. Good points by all, thanks.

Isn't serving booze on company property a huge liability?

Meh. Beer Fridays are a legitimate thing here and beers at department parties/lunches are not uncommon.

Then you probably aren't shocked when one of your employees gets hammered at lunch.

True, although the prevailing attitude at this company is "...as long as you get the job done". If said hammering impeded critical job responsibilities, it would not be viewed the same. Of course, we tend to hire at a higher bar where most individuals are going to understand the expectation. I was also responding more to the "huge liability" statement than the OP. For the OP, I would agree that hosting events that include drinking at work, even after hours, does send a mixed message about the potential stance of the company on having a beer at lunch. A reasonable person would likely understand the distinction but it can still create a gray area.

 

[MC Gas Money]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.If you have a scrip then its all good

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

Im a truck driver. Pretty much all trucking companies have drug testing. I know drivers who have special excemption to drive even though they take painkillers and benzos.

Ive worked noj driving jobs where i could have been tested but if I came up positive for benzis, opiates, etc but had a scrip I would have heen ok. Every company has their own policy and if you agree to it upon being hired then they can legally enforce it.

What do you mean that isnt how it works?

How does it work then?

 

[sublimeone]

Firing this kid was the right move. If you didn't fire him today you would have had to fire him at some point in the near future and he would have continued sucking in the mean time. You honestly did him a favor. You can't suck at your job, slack off when the boss is gone and keep your job. Welcome to the real world son, better luck at your next gig.

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I have written affidavits from 4 employees who smelled / heard him brag about it.

Snitches get stitches.

Im guessing It was stitches.He better watch his back.

I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Just shut up.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.If you have a scrip then its all good

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

Im a truck driver. Pretty much all trucking companies have drug testing. I know drivers who have special excemption to drive even though they take painkillers and benzos.

Ive worked noj driving jobs where i could have been tested but if I came up positive for benzis, opiates, etc but had a scrip I would have heen ok. Every company has their own policy and if you agree to it upon being hired then they can legally enforce it.

What do you mean that isnt how it works?

How does it work then?

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

 

[bluemagic]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.If you have a scrip then its all good

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

Im a truck driver. Pretty much all trucking companies have drug testing. I know drivers who have special excemption to drive even though they take painkillers and benzos.

Ive worked noj driving jobs where i could have been tested but if I came up positive for benzis, opiates, etc but had a scrip I would have heen ok. Every company has their own policy and if you agree to it upon being hired then they can legally enforce it.

What do you mean that isnt how it works?

How does it work then?

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

And that's the smart end.

 

[MC Gas Money]

just ask to see the prescription for the xanax.

Can an employer ask such questions? Given the other facts of this story, I'm not sure I would suggest doing this.

I think they have the right to ask for documentstion that any narcotics you are taking is under the supervision of a doctor.If you have the scrip then why would you care?

Xanax is NOT a narcotic. Why would I care? Because it's a privacy issue.

Its a benzo. Classified as a narcotic I believe.I completely agree with you about the privacy issue but companies are allow to test people for drugs. If you have a scrip then you get a pass . I wouldnt have a problem proving that I acquired the medication legally rather than be fired.

You believe wrong.And to the second point, I bet he would take a big fat settlement for being wrongfully terminated and for the employer violating his privacy. Also this doesn't take into account him drinking at work, smelling like booze, and acting erratic. The Xanax is moot IMO.

I know it doesnt matter but if a company has an anti drug policy that you agree to when you are hired then they have you by the nuggets.If you have a scrip then its all good

Yeah, no. That's not how it works.

Im a truck driver. Pretty much all trucking companies have drug testing. I know drivers who have special excemption to drive even though they take painkillers and benzos.Ive worked noj driving jobs where i could have been tested but if I came up positive for benzis, opiates, etc but had a scrip I would have heen ok. Every company has their own policy and if you agree to it upon being hired then they can legally enforce it.

What do you mean that isnt how it works?

How does it work then?

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

Im talking about the xanax part where you said they couldnt ask to see a scrip

Im not talking about the guy he.fired

 

[MC Gas Money]

I have written affidavits from 4 employees who smelled / heard him brag about it.

Snitches get stitches.

Im guessing It was stitches.He better watch his back.

I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Just shut up.

Stitches the rapper

He loves selling blow

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

Im talking about the xanax part where you said they couldnt ask to see a scrip

Im not talking about the guy he.fired

The ADA disagrees with you, Ally McBeal.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

Im talking about the xanax part where you said they couldnt ask to see a scripIm not talking about the guy he.fired

The ADA disagrees with you, Ally McBeal.

If someone tests positive why wouldnt they show a scrip if they have it rather than get fired if they want to keep the job?

 

[Doctor Detroit]

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

Im talking about the xanax part where you said they couldnt ask to see a scripIm not talking about the guy he.fired

The ADA disagrees with you, Ally McBeal.

If someone tests positive why wouldnt they show a scrip if they have it rather than get fired if they want to keep the job?

Again, where in the story did he test positive?

 

[Officer Pete Malloy]

I have written affidavits from 4 employees who smelled / heard him brag about it.

Snitches get stitches.

Im guessing It was stitches.He better watch his back.

I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Just shut up.

Stitches the rapper

He loves selling blow

This makes even less sense.

 

[MC Gas Money]

Where in the story of the OP does he say the guy pissed hot on his drug test. Being a ####### truck driver is not being some office moop, you're talking out of your ### again.

Im talking about the xanax part where you said they couldnt ask to see a scripIm not talking about the guy he.fired

The ADA disagrees with you, Ally McBeal.

If someone tests positive why wouldnt they show a scrip if they have it rather than get fired if they want to keep the job?

Again, where in the story did he test positive?

Im not talking about the story. Its a hypothetical.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

 

[MC Gas Money]

I have written affidavits from 4 employees who smelled / heard him brag about it.

Snitches get stitches.

Im guessing It was stitches.He better watch his back.

I have no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Just shut up.

Stitches the rapperHe loves selling blow

This makes even less sense.

HELL YEAH!

 

[bluemagic]

 

[Tick]

Congrats on having the sack to fire a guy who needed to be fired. I wish all bosses had the guts.

 

[Quez]

What kind of production job is this?

 

[KCitons]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

 

[Christo]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

 

[KCitons]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

Firing a guy for a medical condition.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Hey what if this was all for an episode of undercover boss and he was the boss?

:mindblown:

 

[Christo]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

Firing a guy for a medical condition.

He didn't fire a guy for a medical condition.

 

[KCitons]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

Firing a guy for a medical condition.

He didn't fire a guy for a medical condition.

He fired him for drinking based on affidavits. The guy denied drinking. Why not cover your bases?

 

[AAABatteries]

I work for a very large company and we have drinks somewhat frequently either paid for by the company or people bring in their own bottles.

Do you accept resumes via PM?

 

[Christo]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

Firing a guy for a medical condition.

He didn't fire a guy for a medical condition.

He fired him for drinking based on affidavits. The guy denied drinking. Why not cover your bases?

Why does he have to "cover his bases"?

 

[McGarnicle]

I love working from home. Some days I'm completely blasted by 3PM.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

 

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

 

[Peyton Marino]

What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce?

 

[KCitons]

Maybe he has un-diagnosed diabetes. Breath can smell like alcohol and behavior can be erratic. Some type of test should be necessary to confirm you suspicions before firing. At least then you have your ### covered.

Covered for what?

Firing a guy for a medical condition.

He didn't fire a guy for a medical condition.

He fired him for drinking based on affidavits. The guy denied drinking. Why not cover your bases?

Why does he have to "cover his bases"?

Because I said so.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.

Im questioning the morality.

 

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.

Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.

Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

Yeah but hypothetically he failed a drug test.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

Yeah but hypothetically he failed a drug test.

Not him......anyone

 

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.

Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

Yeah but hypothetically he failed a drug test.

Oh, well. In that case morality is very important.

 

[Doctor Detroit]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

Yeah but hypothetically he failed a drug test.

Not him......anyone

No you are!

 

[MC Gas Money]

Im not questioning the legality!

Its legal for the police to shoot you on sight if you are black but does that make it right?

 

[Christo]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

 

[MC Gas Money]

The guy might not have been drunk. His breath is not enough proof. What if he just a sample of a new craft beer? What if he ate something with JD barbecue sauce? What if he rinsed with yellow listerine and accidently swallowed a bit? Fermented fruit left in the break room?

Should we really be firing someone for consuming even just a drop of alcohol?

An employer should have the ability to fire an employee for any reason or no reason as long as it doesn't violate the law.

Im not questioning the legality of it.Im questioning the morality.

It's a simple contract. There is no morality involved.

I know that but that doesnt mean we cant ask if its right just to fire a guy if he took one sip of alcohol at lunch.

It seems you don't know that because your question is one of morals even though you've admitted that morality is not involved.

I was referring tobthe contract part. I know they were within their legal boundaries to fire him

 

[tonydead]

Accidentally swallowed a bit of Listerine.