I No Longer Have Any Compassion For Palestinians (1 Viewer)

[Yankee23Fan]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.

VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

 

[timschochet]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

I have a whole other thread that tries to fill in the details. But I keep stopping because it's overwhelming.

 

[Fennis]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.

VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

You left out 2012.

 

[LinusMarr]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

I have a whole other thread that tries to fill in the details. But I keep stopping because it's overwhelming.

Just as your "gayness" overwhelms most of us here....

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed.

... the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan ...

This doesn't get talked about much.

Before Jordan "seized" Palestine's west bank and before WW1 it (west bank) was part of the Jordanian province under the Turks anyway, it properly belongs there, Israel and the Mediterranean coast meanwhile never was part of that province.

Palestine does indeed have an international recognition as a country, though the borders would change based on current realities. Jordan has released it, all that should remain is the definition and resolution of its borders.

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

No, there never was an Ottoman province called "Palestine".

Jerusalem never, ever was any part of any province within what is today called Palestine's west bank.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Ottoman_levant.png

 

[kentric]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

I really don't mean this as an attack, or mean spirited anything, but in reading this post it really really pains me how little most people understand about that region of the world.

Palestine is not nor has it even been a country. Palestine is a name for a region no different then the United States has the bible belt great lakes area or rockey mountain states.

I don't take my lack of knowledge of the situation personally or as an attack. As I have understood it, people indigenous to the Palestinian region were required to move and the area was resettled by people of Jewish descent. If my understanding is correct, it isn't difficult to understand why the people who were forced out would have issues with that. My point was more to address Tim's statement of right of conquest and giving up the acquired territories.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

I really don't mean this as an attack, or mean spirited anything, but in reading this post it really really pains me how little most people understand about that region of the world.

Palestine is not nor has it even been a country. Palestine is a name for a region no different then the United States has the bible belt great lakes area or rockey mountain states.

I don't take my lack of knowledge of the situation personally or as an attack. As I have understood it, people indigenous to the Palestinian region were required to move and the area was resettled by people of Jewish descent. If my understanding is correct, it isn't difficult to understand why the people who were forced out would have issues with that. My point was more to address Tim's statement of right of conquest and giving up the acquired territories.

You are incorrect, though, in that understanding.

 

[kentric]

You are incorrect, though, in that understanding.

You're supposed to be enlightening me here. Please tell me where I am incorrect.

 

[Dr Oadi]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

No. The new talking points are disputed land in east Jerusalem.

 

[msommer]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

I really don't mean this as an attack, or mean spirited anything, but in reading this post it really really pains me how little most people understand about that region of the world.

Palestine is not nor has it even been a country. Palestine is a name for a region no different then the United States has the bible belt great lakes area or rockey mountain states.

I don't take my lack of knowledge of the situation personally or as an attack. As I have understood it, people indigenous to the Palestinian region were required to move and the area was resettled by people of Jewish descent. If my understanding is correct, it isn't difficult to understand why the people who were forced out would have issues with that. My point was more to address Tim's statement of right of conquest and giving up the acquired territories.

You are incorrect, though, in that understanding.

Opinions seem to be divided on the Palestinian exodus

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1948_Palestinian_exodus

 

[cstu]

So it's really that simple - change your belief in one imaginary deity to another (or pretend to) and your problems are over? Sorry, but I can't sympathize with these people anymore.

...

Wait, if it's an imaginary deity (arguably the same deity, Muhammed was just delivering a new message btw, but anyhoo)...

...why the heck should they bother defending it in the first place?

Exactly my point - convert to the religion that benefits you the most. You live in Israel, be a Jew.

Well you know they could just recognize the Jews' right to exist.

It would be much simpler.

They could but then at best they'd be stuck in a ####ty Palestinian state. It's like choosing to be Mexican over American because you don't want to learn English.

 

[SaintsInDome2006]

So it's really that simple - change your belief in one imaginary deity to another (or pretend to) and your problems are over? Sorry, but I can't sympathize with these people anymore.

...

Wait, if it's an imaginary deity (arguably the same deity, Muhammed was just delivering a new message btw, but anyhoo)...

...why the heck should they bother defending it in the first place?

Exactly my point - convert to the religion that benefits you the most. You live in Israel, be a Jew.

Well you know they could just recognize the Jews' right to exist.

It would be much simpler.

They could but then at best they'd be stuck in a ####ty Palestinian state. It's like choosing to be Mexican over American because you don't want to learn English.

Hm, let's think about that.

We talk a lot here about recognizing and respecting other religions and ethnicities and beliefs and lifestyles, and just being excellent to each other; but somehow that's not supposed to be enough for the Palestinians. And it's not enough to have their own state because it's not of a high enough standard. No what matters for them apparently is they want and should get the land, and the money, and the nationhood, ie all and everything, and the Jewish Israelis get..... what again?

By the way, Mexico is a fantastic place, it's not all maquiladores, kidnappings and Chiapas, you know. Many Mexicans would rather be there than the USA.

 

[Yankee23Fan]

You are incorrect, though, in that understanding.

You're supposed to be enlightening me here. Please tell me where I am incorrect.

If you search my name and the term "white paper" I wrote something close to a message board thesis on the entire situation. I think its in a thread about moving isreal. The entire history of the region, the conflict, the issues at play for the better part of the last 100 years, and a lot of other stuff are in there.

 

[mad sweeney]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

I have a whole other thread that tries to fill in the details. But I keep stopping because it's overwhelming.

Just as your "gayness" overwhelms most of us here....

Congratulations! You made it all the way into the 3rd page before you had to give in with your obsession over homosexuality. Those "Pray the Gay Away" online courses must be working.

 

[LinusMarr]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

I have a whole other thread that tries to fill in the details. But I keep stopping because it's overwhelming.

Just as your "gayness" overwhelms most of us here....

Congratulations! You made it all the way into the 3rd page before you had to give in with your obsession over homosexuality. Those "Pray the Gay Away" online courses must be working.

Had a feeling the sad weeney would sniff out the "gay" post! like a moth to a flame for you....

 

[mad sweeney]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Seems reasonable. What about giving the Palestinians governance of Jerusalem with free passage to the Jewish sites?

The Israelis conquered Jerusalrm by force of arms. Rightly or wrongly, it's unrealistic to believe they will ever give that up.In addition, during the 19 years that Jordan controlled the Old City of Jerusalem, Israelis were not allowed free passage. In the 47 years since, Israel has been much more open in allowing free passage for Muslims, though not 100%.

Didn't they also conquer by force or arms the West Bank and Gaza Strip? Wouldn't Jerusalem be considered part of Palestine and not Jordan? If I'm wrong please correct as I'm not very geographically aware.

There is no "Palestine"; there never has been. If a Palestinian state is formed in the near future, it will be the first one that has ever existed.VERY BRIEFLY:

1. Prior to 1918, What is now Israel and Jordan was owned by Turkey and known as the "Palestine territory."

2. In 1918, Great Britain took over the Palestine territory and called it the "Palestine Mandate."

3. In 1922, Great Britain carved out 75% of the Palestine Mandate and declared it the state of Trans-Jordan, later the Kingdom of Jordan.

4. In 1948, the United Nations partitioned what was left of the Palestine mandates into 2 states, one to be called Israel and one to be called Palestine. However, the Arab nations attacked Israel and the Palestine nation was never formed. During this war, Palestinian refugees fled to the West Bank, which was seized by Jordan, and to Gaza, which was seized by Egypt. Jerusalem was divided; the newer section remained part of Israel, while the Old City was taken over by Jordan.

5. In 1967, Israel fought another war against Jordan, Egypt, and Syria. As a result of this war, Israel took over the West Bank and the Old City of Jerusalem from Jordan, the Gaza and the Sinai Desert from Egypt, and the Golan Heights from Syria. As part of the peace with Egypt in 1978, the Sinai Desert was returned to Egypt.

Well that was fricken simplified more than you need to. Leaves out a lot of stuff.

I have a whole other thread that tries to fill in the details. But I keep stopping because it's overwhelming.

Just as your "gayness" overwhelms most of us here....

Congratulations! You made it all the way into the 3rd page before you had to give in with your obsession over homosexuality. Those "Pray the Gay Away" online courses must be working.

Had a feeling the sad weeney would sniff out the "gay" post! like a moth to a flame for you....

So you're saying that you're a flame? Dude, that big secret is just DYING to come on out, isn't it?

 

[SofaKings]

You are incorrect, though, in that understanding.

You're supposed to be enlightening me here. Please tell me where I am incorrect.

If you search my name and the term "white paper" I wrote something close to a message board thesis on the entire situation. I think its in a thread about moving isreal. The entire history of the region, the conflict, the issues at play for the better part of the last 100 years, and a lot of other stuff are in there.

I had a monologue from you that you posted a loooonnnggg time ago. it was awesome. I had copied it to one of the settings in the old board but must have gone away with the old board. :(

 

[timschochet]

So now we need to add Muslim to Peens' list of people he is obsessed with. Everyone, Linus Marr is looking for the following type:

Gay, male, dark skinned, Muslim, in great physical shape (highly evolved).

Anybody know somebody fitting this description that Linus can meet and, you know, work out his issues with? We need to help this poor guy out.

 

[jon_mx]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

 

[mad sweeney]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

 

[LinusMarr]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

Whats ironic is if we were all in a middle eastern jail you'd be the first one they'd kill Sweeney.

 

[mad sweeney]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

Whats ironic is if we were all in a middle eastern jail you'd be the first one they'd kill Sweeney.

Now you want to be in a Turkish prison?

 

[LinusMarr]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

Whats ironic is if we were all in a middle eastern jail you'd be the first one they'd kill Sweeney.

Now you want to be in a Turkish prison?

That's all you Sweeney, you'd fit in well there being so "tolerant" and all

 

[mad sweeney]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

Whats ironic is if we were all in a middle eastern jail you'd be the first one they'd kill Sweeney.

Now you want to be in a Turkish prison?

That's all you Sweeney, you'd fit in well there being so "tolerant" and all

I thought I'd be dead?

 

[loser]

This thread should be dead.

 

[timschochet]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

There are many that don't. There are some that do. Islam is no more monolithic than the Communists were. We keep falling into the same trap over and over of simplifying our opponents. I'm sorry to say that conservatives are guilty of this. (Liberals tend to be guilty of denying that they ARE opponents.)Most Palestinians are like most people. They want to live with pride. They want to be able to support their families with good jobs. They want their children to be safe and enjoy life. If they are granted the opportunity to reach for these things, they'll be able to accept Israel reaching for the same things next to them.

 

[LinusMarr]

You want peace? It's pretty simple:

1. The Palestinians have to renounce terrorism, recognize Israel's right to exist, give up the demanded "Right of Return", and accept a Jerusalem governed by Israel but which allows for free passage to and from the holy sites.

2. Israel must end the occupation of the West Bank and the part of Gaza still being occupied, remove all of the settlements built in the last several years, give up the notion of a "Greater Israel", allow for a Palestinian State in Gaza and the West Bank with uninhibited passage between, or otherwise 2 Palestinian states, grant true and total equality of citizenship to Palestinians already in Israel, and allow free passage of Palestinians to and from their holy sites in Jerusalem.

That should about do it.

Only if you assume both sides want peace. It will never be peaceful because Muslims do not want a Jewish state of Israel.

Yeah, those Jews are soooooo accepting of the Muslims too. But then again, your deep hatred of all things Islamic is well known around here, so it doesn't surprise me to see you staunchly and blindly taking only Israel's side in everything. It's the Muslims fault, totally and solely!

Whats ironic is if we were all in a middle eastern jail you'd be the first one they'd kill Sweeney.

Now you want to be in a Turkish prison?

That's all you Sweeney, you'd fit in well there being so "tolerant" and all

I thought I'd be dead?

Eventually, im sure they would have fun yanking on your pony-tail and calling you offensive names first to watch you cry!

 

[cstu]

There are many that don't. There are some that do. Islam is no more monolithic than the Communists were. We keep falling into the same trap over and over of simplifying our opponents. I'm sorry to say that conservatives are guilty of this. (Liberals tend to be guilty of denying that they ARE opponents.)Most Palestinians are like most people. They want to live with pride. They want to be able to support their families with good jobs. They want their children to be safe and enjoy life. If they are granted the opportunity to reach for these things, they'll be able to accept Israel reaching for the same things next to them.

Apparently not enough to convert to Judaism.

 

[HellToupee]

US sent $221 million to Palestinians in Obama's last hours

WASHINGTON (AP) — Officials say the Obama administration in its waning hours defied Republican opposition and quietly released $221 million to the Palestinian Authority that GOP members of Congress had been blocking.

A State Department official and several congressional aides said the outgoing administration formally notified Congress it would spend the money Friday morning. The official said former Secretary of State John Kerry had informed some lawmakers of the move shortly before he left the State Department for the last time Thursday. The aides said written notification dated Jan. 20 was sent to Congress just hours before Donald Trump took the oath of office.

In addition to the $221 million for the Palestinians, the Obama administration also told Congress on Friday it was going ahead with the release of another $6 million in foreign affairs spending, including $4 million for climate change programs and $1.25 million for U.N. organizations, the congressional aides said. The aides and the State Department official weren't authorized to speak publicly on the matter and demanded anonymity.

Congress had initially approved the Palestinian funding in budget years 2015 and 2016, but at least two GOP lawmakers — Ed Royce of California, the chairman of the House Foreign Affairs Committee, and Kay Granger of Texas, who sits on the House Appropriations Committee — had placed holds on it over moves the Palestinian Authority had taken to seek membership in international organizations. Congressional holds are generally respected by the executive branch but are not legally binding after funds have been allocated.

The Obama administration had for some time been pressing for the release of the money for the Palestinian Authority, which comes from the U.S. Agency for International Development and is to be used for humanitarian aid in the West Bank and Gaza, to support political and security reforms as well as help prepare for good governance and the rule of law in a future Palestinian state, according to the notification sent to Congress.

The $1.25 million for U.N. agencies is to be used as voluntary contributions to the U.N. Peacebuilding Fund; the U.N. Special Coordinator on improving the U.N. response to sexual exploitation and abuse; the Montreal Protocol Secretariat, which oversees the protection of the ozone layer; the Inter-American Commission on Human Rights; and the U.N. System Staff College.

The $4 million for climate programs includes assistance for clean energy, sustainable landscapes, cutting greenhouse gas emissions and creating a climate technology center.

The last-minute allocation also contained $1.05 million in funding for the State Department's Special Representative for Afghanistan and Pakistan office and the Bureau of South and Central Asian Affairs.

The Palestinian funding is likely to draw anger from some in Congress as well as the Trump White House. Trump has vowed to be a strong supporter of Israel and has invited Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu to visit Washington next month.

 

[Limp Ditka]

Pretty rough stance, @cstu. What did they do, welch on a bet?