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IDP Only Showcase League (1 Viewer)

Jene Bramel

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Bloom and I were invited to compete in an IDP-only league hosted by ProFootballFocus. Like the mock draft in the other thread, there should be lots of strong player and strategy commentary on the draft site and on Twitter. We're playing this one out, so Bloom and I may not be quite as forthcoming about targets and in-draft strategy early in this draft. Then again, we may, :P .

It'll be interesting to see how everyone adapts and adjusts to a 15 man roster and a 10 man expanded lineup. The scoring system should also affect player values.

1 pt / solo

0.5 pt / assist

4 pt / sack

3 pt / TFL

6 pt / INT

1 pt / PD

4 pt / FF

2 pt / FR

Here's the home page link and a direct link to the draft page.

The draft started this AM and there's already been some good discussion re: Cole v Tuck as the DE1 on Twitter.

 
I took DE Justin Tuck with the 1.04 pick.

Tuck was the #1 player on my board in this setup. I would've strongly considered Ndumakong Suh (who went at 1.03) or a couple of others here had Tuck not fallen. There are lots of diverging opinions among those in this draft, and I'm really interested to see how the next 16 picks fall.

 
Easy pick to make. This is such a huge big play league. I looked at scoring and thought it was close to my home league but why did the guys like Harrison rate #1(#4 in my home league). But it is the tackles for loss that is added and how much per each.

With the scarcity of DE's and the scoring system, this was the only way to go. I bet your glad you had higher pick in this draft.

THe other mock will bear not much when doing this one. Completely different rules

 
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With the scarcity of DE's and the scoring system, this was the only way to go. I bet your glad you had higher pick in this draft.
I was until I saw Bloom snag Terrell Suggs at 1.11. Sick value there.Agree that this draft should go much differently than the mock. Comparing and contrasting the two should be fun.
 
'Jene Bramel said:
'Crippler said:
With the scarcity of DE's and the scoring system, this was the only way to go. I bet your glad you had higher pick in this draft.
I was until I saw Bloom snag Terrell Suggs at 1.11. Sick value there.Agree that this draft should go much differently than the mock. Comparing and contrasting the two should be fun.
'Crippler said:
Laron Landry in the 1st was a very sick pick. BRutal is all I can say
'5-ish Finkle said:
Sigfreid just owned that swing at the turn. Suggs and Big Bully in that format is just sick.
Lot of illness in this thread :P Looking forward to the results :thumbup:

 
2.09 LB Desmond Bishop

3.04 LB LaMarr Woodley

Took Bishop as a tackle anchor who should see lots of pass rush opportunity in Dom Capers' zone blitz scheme. Project his 12 games as a starter over 16 in this system and he finishes just outside the top five overall linebackers. A very close decision over DJ Williams, who I would have taken over Bishop if I were certain that Carolina's scheme was absolutely to be more John Fox than Sean McDermott. Hope it's one I don't regret later this summer.

Nearly took Williams at 3.04, but couldn't pass up Woodley's upside in this system. Numbers didn't reflect his consistent pressure last year and I think he finishes much closer to his 2008/2009 numbers this year. There aren't many players capable of a 30 point week in this system. Woodley is one of them. Someone will be getting a steal with Williams later this round, though.

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DT

DE J Tuck

LB D Bishop / L Woodley

CB

SF

 
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I just drafted DJ Williams with the 4.09 pick. Nearly took him over Bishop in the second round. The possible suspension is a concern, but he should be relatively easy to float with shallow rosters before the bye weeks. Would never have guessed that I'd have three linebackers through four rounds, but he's too good to pass up.

DT

DE J Tuck

LB D Bishop / L Woodley / DJ Williams

CB

SF

 
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Great pick. I see him doing as well as James Anderson/Thomas Davis have done for the Panthers the last 2 years. Fantasy gold

 
Thanks for posting the link... I can't believe I've never even thought about having an IDP only league. doh. :bag:

 
I added Roman Harper earlier today. I like him as a likely consistent anchor in this system. As close to a lock for 75 solos, 2-3 sacks, 2-3 INT and a reasonable FF/PD count as there is on the board.

Really like the mix so far.

DT

DE J Tuck

LB D Bishop / L Woodley / DJ Williams

CB

SF R Harper

Bloom will probably drop in at some point, but his team looks like Bloom's teams always do through four rounds. Two stud DEs and two quality value LBs he grabbed later.

DT

DE T Suggs / C Johnson

LB S Tulloch / L Fletcher

CB

SF

Really only a couple of seriously head-scratching picks so far. We've had some heated debate on a couple of players after the commentary posted with the pick, but I think it's been a strong draft thus far. Now that we're almost outside the top tier DEs, top tiers of LBs and top safety tier, however, it might get interesting.

 
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I still cant really believe that Bloom took either of those LB's over DJ Williams. Tulloch is really not that talented and as I have said before. I think Fletcher is really starting to decline.

Between the 2 teams, I like Jene's much better. Wish you had gone DE over S in the last pick but I do like Harper alot and this draft has emphazied DB a little.

 
I still cant really believe that Bloom took either of those LB's over DJ Williams. Tulloch is really not that talented and as I have said before. I think Fletcher is really starting to decline. Between the 2 teams, I like Jene's much better. Wish you had gone DE over S in the last pick but I do like Harper alot and this draft has emphazied DB a little.
Interestingly, only one DE since that Harper pick. Had Williams not been available in the fourth, I'd probably have grabbed Shaughnessy there. DE probably a priority with this 6th rounder, but there are still a small handful of guys I like and I think this system lends itself to playing matchups at DE2 if you get caught outside a tier.DeMeco Ryans just went 6.05. And I thought DJ Williams was a steal. Would have been near impossible to pass on Ryans at 6.09.
 
Ryans is another steal and I rather him than Tulloch also. Fletcher might have a case but give me Ryans there just because I just see Fletcher going down hard this year with age.

Bernard Pollard on the other hand might be the worst pick so far. He is not coming back to HOuston. His replacement is the man to get.

I dont like Yeremiah Bell either but I cant argue with the numbers he keeps putting up each year. Just think he is someone they would love to replace but not their biggest concern right now

 
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I'll have some extended thoughts later tonight, but I added Cliff Avril, Ray Edwards and Jason Jones in the last three rounds. Bummed to miss out on Kroy Biermann, but I thought he had a slightly better chance to last to the next pick than Avril.

 
Even though I am not a big proponent of taking a DT, the way your team is setup. I dont mind the Jason Jones pick if you truly like him that much. Especially with you taking Avril. Quite a few LB's out there I still like and CB is CB. So why not.

Have liked Bloom's last 3 LB picks also and Wilson was not bad for S. Those 3 made up big time for Tulloch :)

 
Through 11 of 15 rounds:

DT J Jones

DE J Tuck / C Avril / R Edwards

LB D Bishop / L Woodley / DJ Williams / D Hawthorne

CB A Winfield / B Flowers

SF R Harper

Reasonably happy with this group so far. Would like a stronger DE2 and LB4, but there's upside at both positions. Hopefully, Avril and Hawthorne end up nearer the top end of their snap projections.

 
Edwards was a great pickup. I think he can be top 5. Rather him talent wise over Charles Johnson. Hawthorne was not too bad. Too bad the 2 guys I would have coveted in Davis and Orakapo(great pick by Bloom) went just before this. Rack makes a ton of sense in this league and was an absolute steal in this format.

I like Von Miller in this league also, Jene

 
Interesting that Morgan Burnett was taken before Jarrett. As a Packer fan& Burnett owner I hope he does step up.

 
so far I think the top team is Tony Nowak but I will be curious to see who he gets at CB!! I love Jene's team also but between the hold out and FA it is hard to judge what will happen with players like Harper and Edwards. Blooms team is a train wreck!!!

Tony Nowak

Ellis, Sedrick NOS DT

Dunlap, Carlos CIN DE

Kiwanuka, Mathias NYG DE

Peppers, Julius CHI DE

Quinn, Robert STL DE

Beason, Jon CAR LB

Cushing, Brian HOU LB

Maualuga, Rey CIN LB

Vilma, Jonathan NOS LB

Bell, Yeremiah MIA S

Polamalu, Troy PIT S

 
To better clarify myself by calling Blooms team a train wreck, his team will be descent as long as all the pieces to this holdout/FA puzzle falls together!! Tulloch and Ruud are big question marks and Fletcher is 100 years old!!! If things pan out Bloom you will be the man but if they go south you are #$%^%$!!!!

 
To better clarify myself by calling Blooms team a train wreck, his team will be descent as long as all the pieces to this holdout/FA puzzle falls together!! Tulloch and Ruud are big question marks and Fletcher is 100 years old!!! If things pan out Bloom you will be the man but if they go south you are #$%^%$!!!!
It wont matter because he loaded up at LB which is the smart thing to do. With 6. one of these guys not working out wont matter. YOu can get CB off of waivers. Easiest position to fill. Even DT can be had there as someone steps up. NOvak LB's dont thrill me. Like his DE's for sure even if I think Kiwanukee was a less than average pick. Other 3 look nice for difficult position to fill. But not that big on Bell. But probably no one to replace him there yet. But he is not talented but in right spot for him is all. I certainly like Jeans team much better. DE is not quite as good but LB is way better. Was it McCullogh. I hated this team. Awful from top to bottom.
 
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NOvak made a real nice pick with Barnett. I think he is an absolute steal. He probably ends up the Giants MLB this year. Improved his team dramatically if this happens as agree he is a top 20 talent when healthy,

Some nice S I still like out there.

 
Jim McCormick has a nice team

Solid DE. Pretty good LB. Nice S. Very good DT. Waited on CB and I like it. But he will need Osi to live up to his draft spot. But love the Vandy pick.

 
'Crippler said:
To better clarify myself by calling Blooms team a train wreck, his team will be descent as long as all the pieces to this holdout/FA puzzle falls together!! Tulloch and Ruud are big question marks and Fletcher is 100 years old!!! If things pan out Bloom you will be the man but if they go south you are #$%^%$!!!!
It wont matter because he loaded up at LB which is the smart thing to do. With 6. one of these guys not working out wont matter. YOu can get CB off of waivers. Easiest position to fill. Even DT can be had there as someone steps up. NOvak LB's dont thrill me. Like his DE's for sure even if I think Kiwanukee was a less than average pick. Other 3 look nice for difficult position to fill. But not that big on Bell. But probably no one to replace him there yet. But he is not talented but in right spot for him is all. I certainly like Jeans team much better. DE is not quite as good but LB is way better.

Was it McCullogh. I hated this team. Awful from top to bottom.
How can you not be big on Bell he is one of the most trust worthy top 5-10 DB!!
 
'Crippler said:
To better clarify myself by calling Blooms team a train wreck, his team will be descent as long as all the pieces to this holdout/FA puzzle falls together!! Tulloch and Ruud are big question marks and Fletcher is 100 years old!!! If things pan out Bloom you will be the man but if they go south you are #$%^%$!!!!
It wont matter because he loaded up at LB which is the smart thing to do. With 6. one of these guys not working out wont matter. YOu can get CB off of waivers. Easiest position to fill. Even DT can be had there as someone steps up. NOvak LB's dont thrill me. Like his DE's for sure even if I think Kiwanukee was a less than average pick. Other 3 look nice for difficult position to fill. But not that big on Bell. But probably no one to replace him there yet. But he is not talented but in right spot for him is all. I certainly like Jeans team much better. DE is not quite as good but LB is way better.

Was it McCullogh. I hated this team. Awful from top to bottom.
How can you not be big on Bell he is one of the most trust worthy top 5-10 DB!!
I think his numbers is based on situation over talent. Did not even do anything till he was 30. His tackle numbers have declined each year since his outbreak year. Miami has been so busy trying to look after there O, that they forgot about D or he would be replaced just like Pollard was. I would rather have Nick Collins who is not even drafted yet. They ever improve that LB core(Wake is a start) and his numbers will go down even further.
 
Through 12 of 15 rounds:

DT J Jones

DE J Tuck / C Avril / R Edwards

LB D Bishop / L Woodley / DJ Williams / D Hawthorne / S Phillips

CB A Winfield / B Flowers

SF R Harper

There was briefly some discussion during the 11th-12th round about extending the draft another three rounds. A small handful of us opposed that suggestion, for what should be obvious reasons.

In the meantime, I added Shaun Phillips and should be making my 13th round pick sometime today. Pretty surprised to see a 50-8 player on the board at this point, but it hamstrings me a little with another W6 bye on the roster. In the end, he was too valuable to pass up.

I'll be drafting just one DT at this point after a mini-run last round wiped out the last of my DT1 prospects. I might regret passing on a second DT1 in favor of the second CB1 (and ultimately a LB6 or DE4), especially with Jones a riskier starter than Winfield, but we start two corners and I like what Flowers offers.

 
I am good with 1 DT and 2 CB. In my home league we carry 22 D players and I have 1 DT and 2 CB on roster. 16 team league though and I carry 10 LB's. Hoarding on my part for sure. Wish I had a stud DT only. CB's have all come off of waivers. Grimes and Ronde are the 2 right now. So completely agree with your strategy. With 15 and 12 it will be easy to find these 2 positions. S probably becomes a little less valuable also. LB not so much. DE for sure not

 
I am good with 1 DT and 2 CB. In my home league we carry 22 D players and I have 1 DT and 2 CB on roster. 16 team league though and I carry 10 LB's. Hoarding on my part for sure. Wish I had a stud DT only. CB's have all come off of waivers. Grimes and Ronde are the 2 right now. So completely agree with your strategy. With 15 and 12 it will be easy to find these 2 positions. S probably becomes a little less valuable also. LB not so much. DE for sure not
Would've added Bethea by now if he hadn't shared a bye week with Harper. May load up DE and LB and see what develops from here. Considering a couple of other safeties, but free agency leaves that position open enough to float until just before the season starts. Still considering.
 
Just made my final pick in the draft.

This draft was interesting. The competition included four PFF IDP guys, who seem to err on the side of their player ratings in their writing, Bloom and Schauf, who are very strong drafters and number of other IDP writers who I haven't drafted with much, if at all. The scoring system looks balanced on the surface (4:1 sack-to-tackle ratio), but the 3 pt TFL bonus morphed it into an interesting big play system -- one that will have tons of weekly variance. And there are extremely short benches -- 15 man rosters and 10 man starting lineup.

Plan was to draft five rounds with a BPA approach within tiers and then decide to either (a) continue to push relative value or (b) load up on LB and DE with a big play lean, but hopefully do a little of both. In short, that meant I'd draft a second DT, CB or SF only if they were a strong bet to be a top ten player in a number of weeks.

I nearly chose to try a "shoot the moon" strategy, in which I would draft only players with a chance at a 20 pt week in more than a handful of weeks. The variance will be there anyway, and it's going to be extremely hard to beat a team that puts up 3-4 20 pt weeks out of 10 starters no matter how poorly the rest of the lineup fared. Had a better OLB than Woodley/Hali/etc made it to my late second round pick, I might have tried it.

Here's the roster and my general thoughts. I commented on each player specifically (except Kampman, who I predrafted) during the draft, which you can see on the draft page if you're coming to this thread late.

DT Jason Jones (6)

I really like Jones in this setup. If he gets snaps at DE and 3-tech DT, he could be huge. But he's injury prone and I should've backed him up with Sedrick Ellis or Tommy Kelly or Richard Seymour in the 11th round. I think Brandon Flowers is a good fit and I have a decently long list of strong DT2 prospects yet to be rostered, but I might regret that decision.

DE Justin Tuck (7)

DE Cliff Avril (9)

DE Ray Edwards (9)

DE Aaron Kampman (9)

DE Greg Hardy (9)

In June, and usually late August too, I'm drafting BPA. Four players with a W9 bye isn't ideal, but none of the four are slam dunks and two of them could be on other teams come September. If they're all playing well, they'll be excellent trade bait and I'll have until Week 6 (when I'll have to find at least two starters off the wire) to figure it out.

LB Desmond Bishop (8)

LB LaMarr Woodley (11)

LB DJ Williams (6)

LB David Hawthorne (6)

LB Shaun Phillips (6)

LB Pat Angerer (11)

This group doesn't look sexy, but the scoring system devalues non-rush OLBs. A steady six tackles per week earns you just one more point a week than a so-so five tackles per week. This group needs to keep me in games and occasionally throw up a 15-20 point week. There is risk in this group, but enough upside that three of them should settle in as decent plays.

CB Antoine Winfield (9)

CB Brandon Flowers (6)

I think it's exceedingly difficult to project big play matchups at cornerback, so I wanted a couple of solid tacklers with big play capability. I expect to add a third corner (or replace a starter) relatively early in the season and there are always lots of candidates that should fit the bill. Hopefully Flowers puts together a 65-5-15 season and keeps me from regretting passing on the second DT.

S Roman Harper (11)

Adding a second safety never made sense. The top of my second tier went pretty early and I just missed on Bell and Polamalu as my SF2. I would've taken Bethea, and probably should've despite his shared bye with Harper, but there are still 6-10 guys with SF2+ upside on the board and nearly 30 safeties already rostered. Should be no problem to get one later.

 
I still cant really believe that Bloom took either of those LB's over DJ Williams. Tulloch is really not that talented and as I have said before. I think Fletcher is really starting to decline. Between the 2 teams, I like Jene's much better. Wish you had gone DE over S in the last pick but I do like Harper alot and this draft has emphazied DB a little.
I regretted it as soon as I did it... also anticipated a much bigger run on LBs after those picks, so wanted to get some baseline guys. Still think that an LB corps of Tulloch/Fletcher/Levy/Washington/Ruud/Orakpo should be one of the best in the league.
 
It was a really fun draft and I think all the teams look pretty solid. It should be very competitive.

Although the scoring system does reward impact-players who makes sacks, interceptions and force fumbles, a core of reliable tacklers is what will make a championship winning team. With that in mind I targeted ILBs and tackle-heavy safeties (Laurinaitis, McClain, and Ward) early and then liked the value of McCarthy and Rolle in the later rounds. Griffin was a contentious pick because I really like him, but his stats were inflated last year by playing 1,215 snaps, so I may have over-valued him by calling him by #4 safety. If he pans out as a top 10, he'll still be a solid pick.

The selection of Rubin was also rooted in his tackle numbers. I had missed on the elite (and good) DEs, so I ended up taking gambles on players with upside (JPP) and then the forgotten and injured top 2010 rookies (Graham and Morgan), so Rubin at least offered me some consistency in scoring.

At cornerback I was set on taking Joe Haden. I have a man-crush on Haden and like him to have a big year for interceptions. I really wanted Rams CB Bradley Fletcher as a value sleeper pick as my #2, but Schauf grabbed him just before I could. I ended up taking an '09 CB1 in Johnathan Joseph and rookie Prince Amukamara with the idea of choosing whoever is 'hot' at the time.

 

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