Mr. Pickles
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I say yes.
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If Pujols retired today... (1 Viewer)
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NY/NJMFDIVER
Footballguy
Not even close, if he walked out today.
Edit to say, "not even close" is too harsh of a condemnation, but I still don't see him going in. Of course, the circumstances of his cessation would be everything. Injury or death, definate canddiate, if he just hung them up, he'd never make it. The extenuating circumstances would be a big factor.
Edit to say, "not even close" is too harsh of a condemnation, but I still don't see him going in. Of course, the circumstances of his cessation would be everything. Injury or death, definate canddiate, if he just hung them up, he'd never make it. The extenuating circumstances would be a big factor.
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Darth Cheney
Footballguy
If something happened to him ala Roberto Clemente or Kirby Puckett.......I could see the voters putting him in. The man has had six years (going on seen)of excellent play. Koufax is in with less and I think the voters would recognize that only a unfortunate turn of events kept him from accumulating "career HOF" stats. If he just walked away and quit though.....I don't think they would vote him in.
Koya
Footballguy
He needs two more of these years imo.Koufax's 6 years are far different. For one, you are talking peak pitching years. Second, you are talking about the most dominant 6 years, by a good measure, in the history of the game. Pujols has had six tremendous HoF seasons and one or two more and it is cinched imo, but not just quite.Looking at his stats I can see your arguement - his comparables to at age 26 are:Jimmie Foxx (894) * Frank Robinson (893) * Joe DiMaggio (892) * Ken Griffey (864) Vladimir Guerrero (862) Hank Aaron (860) * Hal Trosky (860) Mickey Mantle (858) * Orlando Cepeda (852) * Lou Gehrig (841) * His year by year closest player is Joe D 21-25 then Jimmy Foxx. We are talking about top tier HoFers. Really an impressive start - but don't you need 10 years of service to even be eligible?
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Pujols would be a no doubter. The eyeball rule. He is and has been a GREAT player. I dont believe there is a 10 year service rule of any kind.
Pujols is a Hall of Famer. He has done it long enough not to be considered a "flash in the pan".
Pujols is a Hall of Famer. He has done it long enough not to be considered a "flash in the pan".
Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Very surprising. Seems like a silly rule.
The obvious and undisputable answer is NO.
shadyridr
Footballguy
So they are gonna break the rules for him?
Please See Mine
Footballguy
How many other players have been in the top 4 in MVP voting 6 years in a row (and top 3 in 5 in a row)?
Edit: Bonds didn't do the former, but he did the latter (5 straight in top 3: 4 MVP's and a 2nd.)
Edit: Bonds didn't do the former, but he did the latter (5 straight in top 3: 4 MVP's and a 2nd.)
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Capella
Footballguy
what do you mean, break the rules?
Please See Mine
Footballguy
I think he means allow someone in who has less than 10 years of service.
Capella
Footballguy
I think that's more of a standard than a rule.
shadyridr
Footballguy
Well it says directly on the HOF site linked by koya. Is the 5 year waiting period also a standard?
Capella
Footballguy
I've heard the 5-year thing which is a rule. Never the 10-year. Could be wrong here, but I would be surprised at that.
Please See Mine
Footballguy
FWIW, the HOF page in the link Koya quoted is called "Rules". http://web.baseballhalloffame.org/hofers/rules.jspI've never heard of that, though. (not that that necessarily means anything)
Darth Cheney
Footballguy
Apparently the Hall of Fame's rules aren's as hard and fast as everyone thinks they are:
ala Wikipedia......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Hall_of_Fame#Inductees
"Under special circumstances, certain players may be deemed eligible for induction even though they have not met all requirements. This resulted in the induction of Addie Joss, who was elected in 1978 despite only playing in nine seasons due to his death from meningitis. Additionally, if an otherwise eligible player dies before their fifth year of retirement, then that player may be placed on the ballot at the first election at least six months after their death. Roberto Clemente's induction in 1973 set the precedent, when the writers chose to put him up for consideration after his death on New Year's Eve, 1972, and the shortened waiting period was added thereafter."
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So I stand by my statements in post #3. If something unusual happened to him that caused his playing career to end....the writers would acknowledge the seven years of greatness and the assumed future greatness of Albert Pujols and vote him in. Unless the unusual thing that happened to him was a result of steroid use or something else of an unsavory nature.
ala Wikipedia......http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baseball_Hall_of_Fame#Inductees
"Under special circumstances, certain players may be deemed eligible for induction even though they have not met all requirements. This resulted in the induction of Addie Joss, who was elected in 1978 despite only playing in nine seasons due to his death from meningitis. Additionally, if an otherwise eligible player dies before their fifth year of retirement, then that player may be placed on the ballot at the first election at least six months after their death. Roberto Clemente's induction in 1973 set the precedent, when the writers chose to put him up for consideration after his death on New Year's Eve, 1972, and the shortened waiting period was added thereafter."
EDITED TO ADD:
So I stand by my statements in post #3. If something unusual happened to him that caused his playing career to end....the writers would acknowledge the seven years of greatness and the assumed future greatness of Albert Pujols and vote him in. Unless the unusual thing that happened to him was a result of steroid use or something else of an unsavory nature.
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Pat Patriot
Footballguy
Really? Ryan Howard has been top 5 MVP for 6 straight years?What is wrong with you people? If a guy had a 15 year career and was top 5 MVP 6 times, he would be a HOF lock. You have a guy here that did it 6 of his first 7 years and he ISNT a HOF? Albert Pujols is an All-Time Great. Yes, already.
Koya
Footballguy
I am surprised so few have heard of the 10 year rule. Some who seem to have far better baseball knowledge than I do. I always knew this (or thought I knew). Now, if they would let Pujols in if there were some tragic occurance? Very likely.
he would be in.
dparker713
Footballguy
Barring a tragic event, no.
