If the government paid you $750 per asylum seeker per day, how many at a time would you house, feed, and clothe? (1 Viewer)

[supermike80]

 This asumes I'd do it for 1 year, and have a steady stream of asylum seekers. I'd take care of 10 and put all of them 2 to a room in the same gentrified renovated apartment  building in Miami's upper side or Little Haiti area. My daughter says the price is about $1,250 ($20/day per person) for a nice 2 bedroom. Electricty, about $2/day per person. Internet and cable tv, about $2/day.  I'd contract with a Cuban cantina delivery service, where a large meal of choice is delivered to the door for $12 per day. This is also known as food by the pound and is large enough for lunch and dinner. For breakfast,  figure $2 per day for bananas, milk and cereal. A one time cost of $365 ($1/day) for a Wal-Mart trip to buy essential clothes, toothbrush, toothpaste, towels, soap deodorant for the year. $365 ($1/day)  to deliver a bed and chairs and folding table. $150 ($0.50/day)  for 5 soccer balls. $33 per day for health insurance. Thrown in $365 ($1/day) for a laptop and $150 ($0.50/day) for a tv. $25 per day for GPS monitoring  (wild guess). We're up to $100 per day. I'd hire a licensed social worker part time and send them to a nearby Catholic school, cost about $50 per day. Now up to $150 per day.

$600 profit per day is $6000 profit per day for 10 asylum seekers? I'd quit my day job, get Obama care, and manage the business fulltime.

I'd like to see the books from the Homestead Center connected to John Kelly. 

Word

 

[KCitons]

Word

Lot's of what if's in there. 

What if one of them escapes and commits a crime? Who carries the liability?

 

[supermike80]

Lot's of what if's in there. 

What if one of them escapes and commits a crime? Who carries the liability?

Not me

 

[KCitons]

Not me

Why not you? 

(that's a "why not". Not a "what if")

 

[Henry Ford]

Obviously money is not the issue. At $750 a day, there should be plenty. 

Yes. Yes, that’s true. 

 

[Henry Ford]

This is not true. 

I apologize. You’re correct, it’s the tent cities that don’t have essential services that are reported to all cost $775 a day per child, not $750. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

I apologize. You’re correct, it’s the tent cities that don’t have essential services that are reported to all cost $775 a day per child, not $750. 

You know the place with the premature baby wasnt a tent city right? That was actually a border patrol processing center. 

 

[Henry Ford]

You know the place with the premature baby wasnt a tent city right? That was actually a border patrol processing center. 

You know the tent cities are border patrol processing facilities, right?

 

[parasaurolophus]

You know the tent cities are border patrol processing facilities, right?

I have yet to see Homestead referred to as a processing center. Detention center, temporary shelter, influx shelter are what I ahve seen, but I dont really feel like getting into  a semantics argument.

So lets move past that and we can call them processing facilities. 

Would you say that Ursula and Homestead are both the same kind of processing facility?

Would you say that they are both privately run?

Would you say that both of those facilities had premature babies being held without any medical care?

Would you say that both of these facilities weren't giving kids soaps and toothbrushes?

Would you say that both of those places have kids in non climate controlled areas?

Would you say that both of these places cost taxpayers 750 a night per migrant child? 

 

[supermike80]

Why not you? 

(that's a "why not". Not a "what if")

If this person commits a crime it's on them, not me.   I will not take responsibility for it.

 

[Henry Ford]

I have yet to see Homestead referred to as a processing center. Detention center, temporary shelter, influx shelter are what I ahve seen, but I dont really feel like getting into  a semantics argument.

So lets move past that and we can call them processing facilities. 

Would you say that Ursula and Homestead are both the same kind of processing facility?

Would you say that they are both privately run?

Would you say that both of those facilities had premature babies being held without any medical care?

Would you say that both of these facilities weren't giving kids soaps and toothbrushes?

Would you say that both of those places have kids in non climate controlled areas?

Would you say that both of these places cost taxpayers 750 a night per migrant child? 

That’s a lot of questions.  Do you do PR work for Ursula?

 

[KCitons]

If this person commits a crime it's on them, not me.   I will not take responsibility for it.

Right. Where they are currently being held, at a cost of $750 per day, also has to have an element of security. There is a cost involved with that as well.

 

[supermike80]

Right. Where they are currently being held, at a cost of $750 per day, also has to have an element of security. There is a cost involved with that as well.

Not at my home there wouldn't be

 

[KCitons]

Not at my home there wouldn't be

Then its apples vs oranges.

 

[supermike80]

Then its apples vs oranges.

I just answered the question.  If the gubbermint paid me $750/day to house immigrants or the homeless or whatever...I see that as a good income for me.

Not really sure what you're going on about with this.  

 

[Snorkelson]

So i am housing their parents too? 

Yeah for another $750 per person. Is this clear? What else you got?

 

[supermike80]

Yeah for another $750 per person. Is this clear? What else you got?

I must have misunderstood the question.  Every time I answer, something new comes up.  Must be a code you need to enter or something to see the whole question

 

[TobiasFunke]

Based on the poll, it looks like most people would take 2-3 asylum seekers. 

What happens if there is a need for you to take 10-15 asylum seekers? This is the problem that people don't seem to understand. If you can limit the number of people coming into your home (even if you're getting paid $750 per day), why is it difficult to understand that the country needs to limit it as well. There is not an unlimited amount of space in these facilities or in your home. 

My family doesn't have a 4 trillion dollar annual budget, ownership of about 15% of the land in the United States, and the power of eminent domain. Not even close, in fact.

Does your family have those things? If it does, that's pretty cool.  If it doesn't, this isn't a very good argument.

 

[KCitons]

I just answered the question.  If the gubbermint paid me $750/day to house immigrants or the homeless or whatever...I see that as a good income for me.

Not really sure what you're going on about with this.  

Who does the government represent? 

You see $750 a day as good income. So do the private companies that run these facilities. The difference is, you are excluding some of the services that taxpayers want in order to keep streets safe. While companies are excluding things like toothbrushes and beds. 

It's all about profit. 

 

[supermike80]

Who does the government represent? 

You see $750 a day as good income. So do the private companies that run these facilities. The difference is, you are excluding some of the services that taxpayers want in order to keep streets safe. While companies are excluding things like toothbrushes and beds. 

It's all about profit. 

I seriously don't understand at all what you are rambling about.  Are you having a stroke or something?   The question was, and posted by you when maybe you weren't having a medical condition, how many I would take at $750 a day.  I answered. Then, well then I don't know what happened.

 

[KCitons]

My family doesn't have a 4 trillion dollar annual budget, ownership of about 15% of the land in the United States, and the power of eminent domain. Not even close, in fact.

Does your family have those things? If it does, that's pretty cool.  If it doesn't, this isn't a very good argument.

Sure. But The Commish  said he has done this for homeless people already. 

So, it can be done. It just won't be profitable. The offset is knowing that you've done something good for another human being. Unfortunately, private companies don't operate the same way. 

Others have said they would only do it because of the money. That proves that greed is the driving factor. Just less so than private companies. 

 

[KCitons]

I seriously don't understand at all what you are rambling about.  Are you having a stroke or something?   The question was, and posted by you when maybe you weren't having a medical condition, how many I would take at $750 a day.  I answered. Then, well then I don't know what happened.

Yes, I'm having a stroke. 

I had to in order to try to have a conversation that you'd understand. But, it doesn't seem to be working. 

 

[supermike80]

Yes, I'm having a stroke. 

I had to in order to try to have a conversation that you'd understand. But, it doesn't seem to be working. 

 

[TobiasFunke]

Sure. But The Commish  said he has done this for homeless people already. 

So, it can be done. It just won't be profitable. The offset is knowing that you've done something good for another human being. Unfortunately, private companies don't operate the same way. 

Others have said they would only do it because of the money. That proves that greed is the driving factor. Just less so than private companies. 

Huh?

You said "if you can limit the number of people coming into your home (even if you're getting paid $750 per day), why is it difficult to understand that the country needs to limit it as well. There is not an unlimited amount of space in these facilities or in your home."

My home is 1300 square feet and houses five people, a dog and a turtle, all of whom have to get by on my barely six figure income.  The United States has massive resources and essentially unlimited space. The comparison makes zero sense.

 

[KCitons]

WTF is that?

I'm happily married. 

And straight. (not that there's anything wrong with that)

 

[KCitons]

Huh?

You said "if you can limit the number of people coming into your home (even if you're getting paid $750 per day), why is it difficult to understand that the country needs to limit it as well. There is not an unlimited amount of space in these facilities or in your home."

My home is 1300 square feet and houses five people, a dog and a turtle, all of whom have to get by on my barely six figure income.  The United States has massive resources and essentially unlimited space. The comparison makes zero sense.

But the government is not housing these people. In the case of immigrants, it's private companies. It therefor comes down to profits. 

We aren't putting these people in state and national parks. Actually, I'd suspect they'd be arrested if they tried to live their.

 

[TobiasFunke]

But the government is not housing these people. In the case of immigrants, it's private companies. It therefor comes down to profits. 

We aren't putting these people in state and national parks. Actually, I'd suspect they'd be arrested if they tried to live their.

And I'm not housing them in my home either.  Your question was a hypothetical. We have plenty of land and money to house them and hear their cases, if we chose to allocate our resources in that manner. And if I had plenty of land and money I would be happy to use it for that purpose.

 

[KCitons]

And I'm not housing them in my home either.  Your question was a hypothetical. We have plenty of land and money to house them and hear their cases, if we chose to allocate our resources in that manner. And if I had plenty of land and money I would be happy to use it for that purpose.

Again. Hope City.

When I bring it up as a solution, you guys argue that it won't work. But, in individual conversations such as these, you give all the reasons why it will/should work. 

 

[parasaurolophus]

That’s a lot of questions.  Do you do PR work for Ursula?

Actually Ursula is the facility I was going to throw under the bus. I do PR work for Homestead. Small engagement. 17 minutes a week on magic football message boards. 

 

[moleculo]

for some unknown reason, @KCitons insists I ask in this thread:

what standard of care am I expected to provide for $750/day?

 

[msommer]

for some unknown reason, @KCitons insists I ask in this thread:

what standard of care am I expected to provide for $750/day?

Oh, you know why.

 

[supermike80]

for some unknown reason, @KCitons insists I ask in this thread:

what standard of care am I expected to provide for $750/day?

Seems that you will be required to care for cancer, pregnancy, and if the person you care for goes out and commits a crime. THEN when you answer all that, he will make up more stuff.

This is definitely a bizarro rabbit hole of a thread.    Well, not this one, the OTHER One...Either way it reminded me to get a refresher on FAST

 

[KCitons]

for some unknown reason, @KCitons insists I ask in this thread:

what standard of care am I expected to provide for $750/day?

Shouldn't you want to ask it for the same reason you asked me? 

 

[KCitons]

Seems that you will be required to care for cancer, pregnancy, and if the person you care for goes out and commits a crime. THEN when you answer all that, he will make up more stuff.

This is definitely a bizarro rabbit hole of a thread.    Well, not this one, the OTHER One...Either way it reminded me to get a refresher on FAST

His question can only be answered by Henry. 

At least that's what was required in the other thread. 

But, thanks for your help.