If the NFL draft went according Andy D's prognostication (1 Viewer)

[TheFanatic]

Round 1

1. Miami - Matt Ryan, QB - Boston College

6. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas

15. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall, RB - Illinois

19. Philadelphia - Limas Sweed, WR - Tennessee

21. Washington - Devin Thomas, WR - Michigan St.

25. Seattle - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon

28. Dallas - Felix Jones, RB - Arkansas

2nd Round

33. St. Louis - Malcolm Kelly, WR - Oklahoma

37. Atlanta - Brian Brohm, QB - Louisville

38. Baltimore - Joe Flacco, QB - Delaware

41. Buffalo - James Hardy, WR - Indiana

42. Denver - Earl Bennett, WR - Vanderbilt

44. Chicago - Early Doucet, WR - L.S.U.

46. Cincinnati - Dustin Keller, TE - Purdue

47. Minnesota - Chad Henne, QB - Michigan

49. Philadelphia - Fred Davis, TE - U.S.C.

54. Tennessee - DeSean Jackson, WR - California

55. Seattle - Martellus Bennett, TE - Texas A&M

58. Jacksonville - Andre Caldwell, WR - Florida

59. Indianapolis - Chris Johnson, RB - E.C.U.

60. Green Bay - Brad Cottam, TE - Tennessee

63. New York Giants - Jordy Nelson, WR - Kansas St.

Round 3

66. Kansas City - Mario Manningham, WR - Michigan

67. Carolina Panthers (from NY Jets) - Ray Rice, RB - Rutgers

72. Buffalo - Martin Rucker, TE - Missouri

75. Chicago - Jamaal Charles, RB - Texas

79. Houston - Kevin Smith, RB - U.C.F.

81. Arizona - Matt Forte, RB - Tulane

82. Minnesota - Jermichael Finley, TE - Texas

83. Tampa Bay - Lavelle Hawkins, WR - California

88. Pittsburgh - Donnie Avery, WR - Houston

90. Chicago (from San Diego) - Andre Woodson, QB - Kentucky

92. Dallas - D.J. Hall, WR - Alabama

93. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

Edited to remove the D players and O-Linemen. Just the offensive skill positions to make it easier on everyone.

 

[EBF]

I think it's important to form an opinion of prospects before they're drafted so you don't get swayed too much by situation and draft hype, but I think you have to wait to see where they end up before you can really rank them with any confidence. It's cool that people take the time to do mocks, but no one really has a great feel on where these guys will end up and draft day is ALWAYS full of surprises. Consider some of the screwy picks in recent years:

Steven Jackson to STL

Willis McGahee to BUF

Brady Quinn to CLE

Aaron Rodgers to GB

Cedric Benson to CHI

Mike Williams to DET

You can bet that draft day is going to throw us some monkey wrenches. I'm going to wait until after that happens before I try to sort out the mess.

 

[B Maverick]

mcfadden

mendenhall

stewart

Charles

K Smith

Rice

 

[midnightxxxx]

This is a funny question if you think about it logically. You can not possibly answer that question without knowing so many other variables.

You changed your post

 

[Blackjacks]

D-Mac (definetly #1)

Mendenhall (Will Jones be healthy or not....I;m beating not)

Stewart (If this pick happened and Duckett got sign we'd all be saying bye bye to Shaun)

Kevin Smith (Good skills and a good situation that's all you can ask for)

Ray Rice (I like DWill but I think Rice would beat him out in less than 1 year. I think Ray Ray is the most underrated rb this year)

J. Charles (I'm not sure on this guy but it wouldn't take alot to get that starting gig)

L. Sweed (Philly needs a stud wr one of these days...don't they?

M Ryan (descent qb that should atleast start soon)

F. Jones (Unless MBIII gets hurt or leaves next year in FA Jones will ride the pine)

Forte (The Edge is getting alittle older and someone is going to replace him this year or next.)

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I think it's important to form an opinion of prospects before they're drafted so you don't get swayed too much by situation and draft hype, but I think you have to wait to see where they end up before you can really rank them with any confidence. It's cool that people take the time to do mocks, but no one really has a great feel on where these guys will end up and draft day is ALWAYS full of surprises. Consider some of the screwy picks in recent years:Steven Jackson to STLWillis McGahee to BUFBrady Quinn to CLEAaron Rodgers to GBCedric Benson to CHIMike Williams to DETYou can bet that draft day is going to throw us some monkey wrenches. I'm going to wait until after that happens before I try to sort out the mess.

This is a funny question if you think about it logically. You can not possibly answer that question without knowing so many other variables.

He's just asking "what if" guys.You know. Doing stuff "just for fun."?

 

[EBF]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys.

Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

The RBs look a bit better to me, but Chris Johnson has a chance to sneak into the first round after his combine. I think Stewart could go before Mendenhall. Both could be picked earlier than expected.

 

[TheFanatic]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks. The RBs look a bit better to me, but Chris Johnson has a chance to sneak into the first round after his combine. I think Stewart could go Mendenhall. Both could be picked earlier than expected.

All critique of Andy's Mock should stay in the other thread. This is just a what if these guys landed where he predicts, where would they be drafted in Dynasty Rookie Drafts. This is all hypothetical.

 

[SayWhat?]

Some fairly nice situations for the running backs, so I think the first round would be very running back heavy.

1. Seattle - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon

2. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas

3. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall, RB - Illinois

4. Dallas - Felix Jones, RB - Arkansas

5. Houston - Kevin Smith, RB - U.C.F.

6. Carolina Panthers (from NY Jets) - Ray Rice, RB - Rutgers (don't like this situation at all for Rice)

7. Chicago - Jamaal Charles, RB - Texas

8. Arizona - Matt Forte, RB - Tulane

9. St. Louis - Malcolm Kelly, WR - Oklahoma

10. Miami - Matt Ryan, QB - Boston College

11. Indianapolis - Chris Johnson, RB - E.C.U.

12. Philadelphia - Limas Sweed, WR - Texas

13. Washington - Devin Thomas, WR - Michigan St.

14. Buffalo - James Hardy, WR - Indiana

15. Denver - Earl Bennett, WR - Vanderbilt

16. Chicago - Early Doucet, WR - L.S.U.

17. Kansas City - Mario Manningham, WR - Michigan

18. Tennessee - DeSean Jackson, WR - California

19. Tampa Bay - Lavelle Hawkins, WR - California

20. New York Giants - Jordy Nelson, WR - Kansas St.

21. Atlanta - Brian Brohm, QB - Louisville

22. Indianapolis - Eddie Royal, WR - Virginia Tech

23. Philadelphia - Fred Davis, TE - U.S.C.

24. Pittsburgh - Donnie Avery, WR - Houston

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

I had two WRs in the first. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed.When all is said and done, I expect Kelly to be a 1st rounder. Hardy is borderline.Jackson is just simply not big enough.If Bennett makes it to the Broncos, I can't see him not being the guy.Donnie Avery is too raw for a 2nd rounderEddie Royal has a lot of potential depending on where he ends up.

 

[TheFanatic]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

I had two WRs in the first. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed.When all is said and done, I expect Kelly to be a 1st rounder. Hardy is borderline.Jackson is just simply not big enough.If Bennett makes it to the Broncos, I can't see him not being the guy.Donnie Avery is too raw for a 2nd rounderEddie Royal has a lot of potential depending on where he ends up.

All defense of Andy's mock should stay in the other thread. This is just a what if these guys landed where he predicts, where would they be drafted in Dynasty Rookie Drafts. This is all hypothetical.

 

[EBF]

I think it's important to form an opinion of prospects before they're drafted so you don't get swayed too much by situation and draft hype, but I think you have to wait to see where they end up before you can really rank them with any confidence. It's cool that people take the time to do mocks, but no one really has a great feel on where these guys will end up and draft day is ALWAYS full of surprises. Consider some of the screwy picks in recent years:Steven Jackson to STLWillis McGahee to BUFBrady Quinn to CLEAaron Rodgers to GBCedric Benson to CHIMike Williams to DETYou can bet that draft day is going to throw us some monkey wrenches. I'm going to wait until after that happens before I try to sort out the mess.

This is a funny question if you think about it logically. You can not possibly answer that question without knowing so many other variables.

He's just asking "what if" guys.You know. Doing stuff "just for fun."?

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. After all, predicting the future is all this hobby is. But I'm not going to try to grade a player based on his situation until he actually finds himself in that situation.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

I had two WRs in the first. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed.When all is said and done, I expect Kelly to be a 1st rounder. Hardy is borderline.Jackson is just simply not big enough.If Bennett makes it to the Broncos, I can't see him not being the guy.Donnie Avery is too raw for a 2nd rounderEddie Royal has a lot of potential depending on where he ends up.

All defense of Andy's mock should stay in the other thread. This is just a what if these guys landed where he predicts, where would they be drafted in Dynasty Rookie Drafts. This is all hypothetical.

Gotcha.

 

[Andy Dufresne]

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. After all, predicting the future is all this hobby is. But I'm not going to try to grade a player based on his situation until he actually finds himself in that situation.

Then this isn't the thread for you.

 

[TheFanatic]

I don't mean to rain on anyone's parade. After all, predicting the future is all this hobby is. But I'm not going to try to grade a player based on his situation until he actually finds himself in that situation.

If it's a waste of time to make predictions in here why waste the time to say you aren't going to waste your time? Move on to another thread if you don't like the parameters I have set in this one...

 

[EBF]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

I had two WRs in the first. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed.When all is said and done, I expect Kelly to be a 1st rounder. Hardy is borderline.Jackson is just simply not big enough.If Bennett makes it to the Broncos, I can't see him not being the guy.Donnie Avery is too raw for a 2nd rounderEddie Royal has a lot of potential depending on where he ends up.

I just think you're selling these guys a little short. Hardy and Kelly are impressive prospects worthy of a first round grade. A skilled, productive big guy who can run always stands a very good chance of going in the first round. I think you're also off the mark on Jackson. He checked in two inches smaller than expected in Indy, but is that really enough to make a second round pick? He has elite speed and very good playmaking skills. Add in his return skills and I just can't see him slipping out of the top 30.

 

[TheFanatic]

As for Andy's mock, I think he's off the mark with some of these guys. Only 2 WRs in the first round? No Malcolm Kelly? I think Kelly, Jackson, and Hardy will all be first round picks. I think Kelly will be a top 20 selection. Not sure if I see Earl Bennett going that high. He doesn't have the flashy measurables of Donnie Avery or Eddie Royal, both of whom could be 2nd round picks.

I had two WRs in the first. Devin Thomas and Limas Sweed.When all is said and done, I expect Kelly to be a 1st rounder. Hardy is borderline.Jackson is just simply not big enough.If Bennett makes it to the Broncos, I can't see him not being the guy.Donnie Avery is too raw for a 2nd rounderEddie Royal has a lot of potential depending on where he ends up.

I just think you're selling these guys a little short. Hardy and Kelly are impressive prospects worthy of a first round grade. A skilled, productive big guy who can run always stands a very good chance of going in the first round. I think you're also off the mark on Jackson. He checked in two inches smaller than expected in Indy, but is that really enough to make a second round pick? He has elite speed and very good playmaking skills. Add in his return skills and I just can't see him slipping out of the top 30.

Isn't there another thread totally devoted to critiquing Andy's Mock?

 

[Mr. Peterson]

1. Seattle - Jonathan Stewart, RB - Oregon2. New York Jets - Darren McFadden, RB - Arkansas3. Detroit - Rashard Mendenhall, RB - Illinois

I rank the top 3 this way.The 1.4 is pretty tough to decide. I'll say:RiceSmithJohnsonKelly

 

[midnightxxxx]

OK I will bite on this now that you laid down some parameters.

I really only like 3 of his selections from a fantasy football perspective having a impact in year one. I think Johnathen Stewart to Seattle has the biggest bang from a fantasy perspective. Secondly I like DMAC at the Jets and Rashard Mendenhall at Detroit if they get committed to running the ball again now that Martz is gone.

Where they stack up against everyone else in a normal draft against existing players I have no clue yet.

 

[TheFanatic]

OK I will bite on this now that you laid down some parameters.

I really only like 3 of his selections from a fantasy football perspective having a impact in year one. I think Johnathen Stewart to Seattle has the biggest bang from a fantasy perspective. Secondly I like DMAC at the Jets and Rashard Mendenhall at Detroit if they get committed to running the ball again now that Martz is gone.

Where they stack up against everyone else in a normal draft against existing players I have no clue yet.

That would just be to hard to track. That's why I just want a rank order of these guys against themselves and not the rest of the league.

 

[Burning Sensation]

1. Darren Mcfadden, NYJ

2. Rashard Mendenhall, Det.

3. Jonathan Stweart, Sea.

4. Kevin Smith, Hou.

5. Matt Forte, Ari.

6. Felix Jones, Dal.

7. Ray Rice, Car.

8. Matt Ryan, Mia.

9. Malcolm Kelly, Stl.

10. James Hardy, Buf.

11. Limas Sweed, Phi.

12. Chris Johnson, Ind.

13. Jamal Charles, Chi.

14. Earl Bennett, Den.

15. Devin Thomas, Was.

16. Early Doucet, Chi.

17. Desean Jackson, WR.

18. Brian Brohm, Atl

19. Joe Flacco, Bal.

20. Chad Henne, Min.

 

[TheFanatic]

There's a lot of love for Felix Jones. I hear he could be more talented than Run DMC, but even if he is, Barber is seriously talented and I just don't see the guy ever being consistent until either he or Barber were on another team. And that goes for anybody drafted by the Cowboys. Even if they pulled off a trade and drafted DMC....

 

[B Maverick]

1. Darren Mcfadden, NYJ2. Rashard Mendenhall, Det.3. Jonathan Stweart, Sea.4. Kevin Smith, Hou.5. Matt Forte, Ari.6. Felix Jones, Dal.7. Ray Rice, Car.8. Matt Ryan, Mia.9. Malcolm Kelly, Stl.10. James Hardy, Buf.11. Limas Sweed, Phi.12. Chris Johnson, Ind.13. Jamal Charles, Chi.14. Earl Bennett, Den.15. Devin Thomas, Was.16. Early Doucet, Chi.17. Desean Jackson, WR.18. Brian Brohm, Atl19. Joe Flacco, Bal.20. Chad Henne, Min.

I like the looks of this list although I would move Jamaal Charles up. Should have a decent shot at significant time with his comp being Cedric. While he isnt the power back the winters in Chi love, he could bring some life and is a hr threat. I would consider him at 5 or 6.I would also bump Rice above Jones. I dont think D Williams is an everydown back and Rice could beat him out in Car. MBIII is a beast and the Cowboys staff seems to love him. Even if Jones was the starter I dont see his role being much different then J Jone's was. MBIII is a young probowl back.I also have to wonder why all the hate in a what if thread. IF the draft fell as Andy mocked how would you rate these guys? How hard is that?? whether you agree with Andy or not.....

 

[Brutis]

Thats a horrible mock. Do you really think dallas would pass on stewart at #22 to get Felix jones at #28? LOL

Id rather have Stewart at 22 and CB Talib at 28