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If you are a Joe Flacco Dynasty owner (Deep Leagues Obviously) (1 Viewer)

jacobo_moses

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I own Joe Flacco as my QB in a 32 team dynasty league. Enough is enough. What QB's are targeting if you own him that are undervalued going into 2012?

Joe Webb maybe

Eli Manning

Sam Bradford

I need some ideas of who I should be targetting??

Thanks guys.

I feel like this as a JOe Flacco owner :wall: :eek: :shrug: :kicksrock:

 
I traded Tom Brady and LeGarrette Blount for Flacco and ADP at the beginning of the 2011 season so I'm in a little bit of trouble right now, but fortunately I had also drafted Cam Newton. That doesn't mean I don't need to upgrade that spot however.

I've been really thinking that Josh Freeman would be a good target. He had a very down year but with extremely poor coaching with a young team that had no offseason. I think with a new coach the Bucs can regain some of that flair they had in 2010, making Freeman a buy low candidate.

 
Went into the season with Flacco and Bradford in a 2-QB league. Thought I was set for the next ten years. Now, don't have faith in either of them. Probably going to target RGIII in the draft hoping for a mini-Cam.

Flacco still finished as the 12th QB in my league, so I will probably hold onto him and hope that RGIII could turn into a QB1.

 
I think it depends on your team situation. Joe looks like he will be a very solid QB2 for several more seasons but he does not seem to be growing into that reliable QB1 many of has hoped for. I still believe he can improve and am OK with him at QB but if you are trying to compete for a championship now he isn't of much help. I guess you can either try to bundle him with a bunch of eraly draft picks and or younger players to get a top 5 QB now or you try to draft high upsaide QB and hope they develop.

If you are a QB away from a title now you probably look to pay a high price for an older short term fix like Brees or Brady but if you are building a squad you live with Joe and start adding a bunch of young QBs in hoping to hit one or trade a ton for a guy like Rodgers.

 
I own Flacco in a 2-QB league. He was supposed to develop into my #1. I'm at a serious disadvantage having Moore, Ponder, Orton, and Webb.

Freeman really doesn't look attractive unless you can buy him for real cheap. In dynasty, I would look at guys like Flynn, Locker, Josh Johnson, or Mallett/Hoyer. Obviously Locker has the best chance to start next year, but these are the hot backups I would want on my bench/taxi if I could. In our 10-team league, they are all owned unfortunately.

 
I think what you have in Flacco is an okay/decent #2 QB. As your #1 you are at a disadvantage. I would try for Bradford who I think has a much higher ceiling than Flacco.

 
I have an Eli Manning/Joe Flacco combo in a couple of dynasties and Flacco seems like a younger Eli (maybe not even that much upside).

 
Yeah I am trying to get Bradford but the dynsty owner in that league of him is really high on him even though he had a really down year.

 
I traded Tom Brady and LeGarrette Blount for Flacco and ADP at the beginning of the 2011 season so I'm in a little bit of trouble right now, but fortunately I had also drafted Cam Newton. That doesn't mean I don't need to upgrade that spot however.

I've been really thinking that Josh Freeman would be a good target. He had a very down year but with extremely poor coaching with a young team that had no offseason. I think with a new coach the Bucs can regain some of that flair they had in 2010, making Freeman a buy low candidate.
Rumors out of Tampa say its poor work ethic by Freeman, Williams and Blount that have been the root of the problem there. Will be interesting to see if this poor season is enough to motivate that trio this offseason. As for Flacco, I would be a little hesitant to pigeonhole him as a QB2 going forward.

Flacco had his best year in 2010. He threw for 3622 yards and 25 TDs with only 10 picks.

Those numbers are pretty similar to these guys:

Tom Brady's best year in his first four seasons as a starter. (3692 yards, 28 TDs, 14 picks)

Drew Brees' best year in his first four seasons as a starter. (3576 yards, 24 TDs, 15 picks)

Eli Mannings' ...(3762 yards 24 TDs, 17 picks)

That doesn't mean that Flacco will reach those heights, just that his body of work to date isn't that bad.

 
I traded Tom Brady and LeGarrette Blount for Flacco and ADP at the beginning of the 2011 season so I'm in a little bit of trouble right now, but fortunately I had also drafted Cam Newton. That doesn't mean I don't need to upgrade that spot however.

I've been really thinking that Josh Freeman would be a good target. He had a very down year but with extremely poor coaching with a young team that had no offseason. I think with a new coach the Bucs can regain some of that flair they had in 2010, making Freeman a buy low candidate.
Rumors out of Tampa say its poor work ethic by Freeman, Williams and Blount that have been the root of the problem there. Will be interesting to see if this poor season is enough to motivate that trio this offseason. As for Flacco, I would be a little hesitant to pigeonhole him as a QB2 going forward.

Flacco had his best year in 2010. He threw for 3622 yards and 25 TDs with only 10 picks.

Those numbers are pretty similar to these guys:

Tom Brady's best year in his first four seasons as a starter. (3692 yards, 28 TDs, 14 picks)

Drew Brees' best year in his first four seasons as a starter. (3576 yards, 24 TDs, 15 picks)

Eli Mannings' ...(3762 yards 24 TDs, 17 picks)

That doesn't mean that Flacco will reach those heights, just that his body of work to date isn't that bad.
Funny, I heard something similar but with the blame more squarely on the coaching staff for not instilling more discipline. Not that they couldn't have gone and done it themselves, but I can see how a young team with a little bit of success might get a little cocky, and with a bad coaching staff it might exacerbate the situation.
 
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Flacco just seems like one of those players that has a very LOW Ceiling. I mean unless he has a really good protecting O-line and some really good WR's to throw too then what he does on the field seems to be pretty limited.

 
The real crux of the problem for me is that in my league Rodgers outscored Flacco by 252 points, or the difference between Arian Foster and Derrick Ward. No WR scored 252.

The scoring breakdown of the top 12 quarterbacks is so scattered that even though Flacco is a top 12 QB, he really hurts your team.

 
'jacobo_moses said:
Flacco just seems like one of those players that has a very LOW Ceiling. I mean unless he has a really good protecting O-line and some really good WR's to throw too then what he does on the field seems to be pretty limited.
Where do you get this idea? I don't own Flacco in a single league, so don't confuse me with a :homer: I just think this opinion of Flacco as a low ceiling guy is unfounded and likely the result of lazy analysis. Until this year's regression he had improved every year. And even this year his regression is almost solely due to his 6% decrease in completion %. His yards per completion are on par with last year. All it would take for Flacco to hit 4000 yards and 30 TD is for Baltimore to throw the ball as much as 2011 and for him to be as efficient as 2010. I know you can't just pick and choose stats, but that isn't exactly a stretch. The guy is young and after limiting him to 30-31 throws a game the last two years, he's getting almost 35 attempts per game this year. I really doubt the guy has suddenly become a 57% passer. I see reason for hope for 2012. If I owned him in a dynasty, I wouldn't be selling the farm for a replacement. I actually think he is an excellent buy low case for people who don't own him in dynasty.

 
'jacobo_moses said:
Flacco just seems like one of those players that has a very LOW Ceiling. I mean unless he has a really good protecting O-line and some really good WR's to throw too then what he does on the field seems to be pretty limited.
Where do you get this idea? I don't own Flacco in a single league, so don't confuse me with a :homer: I just think this opinion of Flacco as a low ceiling guy is unfounded and likely the result of lazy analysis. Until this year's regression he had improved every year. And even this year his regression is almost solely due to his 6% decrease in completion %. His yards per completion are on par with last year. All it would take for Flacco to hit 4000 yards and 30 TD is for Baltimore to throw the ball as much as 2011 and for him to be as efficient as 2010. I know you can't just pick and choose stats, but that isn't exactly a stretch. The guy is young and after limiting him to 30-31 throws a game the last two years, he's getting almost 35 attempts per game this year. I really doubt the guy has suddenly become a 57% passer. I see reason for hope for 2012. If I owned him in a dynasty, I wouldn't be selling the farm for a replacement. I actually think he is an excellent buy low case for people who don't own him in dynasty.
:goodposting: Good stuff on Flacco. I suppose I see his ceiling (at least short term) in the Shaub/Eli range, which would make him mid-low QB1, which is the perfect back-up or second QB in 2QB leagues in dynasty. Your real work is getting a second QB that has sustainability, IMO. Moore and Ponder both have good upsides going into 2012 (I'm not buying the Webb talk), so I'd take the cheap route and go with volume on low risk guys.However, if you are panicking a bit, don't sell, but nab someone with some upside that might be floating on the waiver wire. The Josh Johnson and Matt Flynn hype trains are getting warmed up in the station, so getting them now would be a sneaky move if they are available. Neither will probably get a starting job outright, but I suspect both will be brought into camps with a legit chance to win a starting job or back-up a young QB who is on the hot seat. Flynn is the likelier of the two to be rostered at this point. Henne would be another interesting flyer who was better than expected when he was healthy.

 
Man, some people are VERY low on Flacco.

He's the kind of guy that is a very safe, and relatively cheap to acquire, QB2. A nice backup as long as you've got a top-10 option, preferably top-5.

But he's also the kind of guy with the arm talent to explode onto the scene if he ever takes the next step. That's enticing, even if he hasn't put it all together yet, and even if he looks downright putrid once in a while. Sometimes, QB's don't peak for 6-7 years. He looks like a doofus--maybe he's slower than most. :lmao:

 
I don't play any Dynasty leagues, but if I did...

I might take a look at what Jake Locker would cost to acquire. He looked pretty good during his playing time, and seems to be a bit of an afterthought in the wake of the very successful rookie campaigns of Dalton/Newton. He runs very well, throws the ball decently and has a really nice WR1 to grow with. If CJ can ever get his act back together, it gives him another weapon. I think this guy has some upside to him.

 
These have been said already Flynn, Locker, Josh Johnson, or Mallett/Hoyer, But I would add Moore, Skelton, Dixon into the mix also, heck even Orton could put up good #s if he stay in KC.

 
You'd really have Skelton, Moore, and Dixon over Flacco for dynasty??? I mean I think Flacco is a QB2 at best. But I'm not sure if I'd rather have those 3 over Flacco.

'bucksoh said:
These have been said already Flynn, Locker, Josh Johnson, or Mallett/Hoyer, But I would add Moore, Skelton, Dixon into the mix also, heck even Orton could put up good #s if he stay in KC.
 
You'd really have Skelton, Moore, and Dixon over Flacco for dynasty??? I mean I think Flacco is a QB2 at best. But I'm not sure if I'd rather have those 3 over Flacco.

These have been said already Flynn, Locker, Josh Johnson, or Mallett/Hoyer, But I would add Moore, Skelton, Dixon into the mix also, heck even Orton could put up good #s if he stay in KC.
He isn't saying over Flacco, just that if you want another guy who is cheap who may have the goods to make a good starter, thats who you go after.
 
I'd look to see what the Cutler, Freeman, and Locker owners think. I think they are all in the same tier but all three have more upside IMO.

 
At this point would anyone rather have Freeman over and Flacco? Make your case for me.
I think part of your answer is in the way you asked that question. Without looking at the stats, I (and many others) would have guessed the 12-4 QB would have vastly outproduced the 4-11 QB this year.When you look at the end of year fantasy points, you'd be suprised how close they are. Now consider Freeman had a "down year" and thats why he worth the risk for his upside. My only concern is that it might take Tampa a couple years to be a reliable fantasy option week in and week out.
 

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