If you outlaw fantasy sports, only outlaws will play fantasy sports (1 Viewer)

[tdoss]

I'll buy my lottery tickets aloud or quietly...I don't care what anyone says.

 

[bagger]

I am hoping you can step away from the bombardment of the commercials and the aggressive growth strategies of the DFS operators.

No.

I'm a long time FBG subscriber because I like to support David and Joe.... but they've gotten a little too far in bed with the DFS jackwads for my liking. No way I'm signing that petition.

this.

 

[dschuler]

This will get shutdown just like online poker was shutdown, which was much bigger in its peak. The only thing keeping this thing up is the money hungry people profiting from it. And they completely cheated by the way, let's not forget that. I play on both sites every week but I won't care if it gets shut down because they forced it on themselves. However, to ensure everyone has the same info, they should show percentages by each player showing how often they are selected. This would be a corrective action that would solve the cheating issue. But they won't do it??

 

[Good Posting Judge]

This will get shutdown

It's not getting shut down.

 

[Statorama]

DFS is going nowhere. The league the owners the networks they are all in bed. It will get regulated, but it will stay around

I tend to agree, but, isn't this still somewhat hypocritical? It would basically legalize betting on individual players while betting on the game result remains illegal. Why? Because of Vegas?

How is betting on a bunch of payer props any different than DFS for that week?

DFS had better lobbyists.

Just asking a bunch of questions because I find this fascinating:

Other than gambling is evil and/or we need to protect people from themselves is there lobbying to keep gambling legal only in Vegas, Atlantic City and on the reservation? Is there big Vegas money trying to keep legalization from happening? What would happen to Nevada if it was legal everywhere?

If sports wagering were legal in Wisconsin casinos, I'd honestly never go to Vegas again.

That said, I'm a small fry that Vegas would never miss. I wager approximately 2G for a week stay, which is peanuts. It kills me that they fight so hard out of fear of losing small timers like me. The high rollers all play table games, and always have.

 

[Statorama]

DK apparently has hired as an adviser Martha Coakley, the former Mass. AG widely known around here for running two of the worst campaigns in Massachusetts political history. Good luck with that.

Doesn't she hate sports? Something to do with Curt Schilling IIRC

 

[Good Posting Judge]

DFS is going nowhere. The league the owners the networks they are all in bed. It will get regulated, but it will stay around

I tend to agree, but, isn't this still somewhat hypocritical? It would basically legalize betting on individual players while betting on the game result remains illegal. Why? Because of Vegas?

How is betting on a bunch of payer props any different than DFS for that week?

DFS had better lobbyists.

Just asking a bunch of questions because I find this fascinating:

Other than gambling is evil and/or we need to protect people from themselves is there lobbying to keep gambling legal only in Vegas, Atlantic City and on the reservation? Is there big Vegas money trying to keep legalization from happening? What would happen to Nevada if it was legal everywhere?

If sports wagering were legal in Wisconsin casinos, I'd honestly never go to Vegas again.

That said, I'm a small fry that Vegas would never miss. I wager approximately 2G for a week stay, which is peanuts. It kills me that they fight so hard out of fear of losing small timers like me. The high rollers all play table games, and always have.

Sports betting created $227mm in revenue for NV last year. That's only about 2% of the entire 11b that NV made in gaming last year, but it's not nothing.

And the more reasons you have to come to Vegas, the more likely you are to come to Vegas and spend on other things.

 

[Bull Dozier]

From FBG email:

Hi Folks,

In case you somehow missed it in the news, Fantasy Sports is under attack politically. States are out-right banning fantasy sports or proposing legislature that could do this shortly. And although the pressure is mostly centered around daily fantasy sports, some of this legislation doesn't try and make the distinction between daily and season-long games.

I am hoping you can step away from the bombardment of the commercials and the aggressive growth strategies of the DFS operators. We get it. No one likes their TV taken over. And we will be the first to say things aren't perfect. Super fast growth can create problems and some are appearing.

But most of you are on this email list because you love football and play some version of fantasy football. And make no mistake, it's all under attack. Congressman protecting their gambling interests in their states will just as easily make it all illegal.

All I ask is that you take a few minutes to read the petition. If it's something that you feel strongly about, sign it. If not, don't.

Sign the Petition Saying You Love Fantasy Sports​

This is the exact reason I won't sign the petition. The fact that this industry is making money so fast that they can take over every single commercial break, whether you are watching a sports show or not, illustrates how much money they are making. The articles detailing the only way you can actually win is to write computer programs show the situation is not what they tell you on the commercials. The people employed by one site making money at the other show this is a shady industry.

Shut it down and make it illegal for all I care. It's not going to affect my local league.

fyi, The aren't paying for the ads with profits. They are paid for with all the investor money.

Distinction without a difference.

 

[Dan Lambskin]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Good Posting Judge" data-cid="18501367" data-time="1445318042"><p><p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Statorama" data-cid="18501327" data-time="1445316323"><p> <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="tonydead" data-cid="18498939" data-time="1445286405">Yeah I think Penny Slots do in a month what sports gambling does in a year

 

[Dan Lambskin]

Neat board

 

[Abraham]

I enjoy fantasy football and basketball. And I even worked for this site for almost a decade. But even I know that it's gambling.

 

[tdoss]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

 

[Rirruto]

What are these daily fantasy sites you speak of? Haven't caught any mention of them on the tube.

Neither have I. If they want people to play they have to get their message out.

I think they can help you keep and maintain an erection.

 

[BowieMercs]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

Hookers & blow would be a good start.

 

[MattFancy]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

I think it's because we were all drawn here because of their great content for season-long leagues. Now, it seems their attention has turned to the daily side of the equation and the season-long content has suffered because of it.

 

[Kevrunner]

All of the time "our paid experts" (those of us who are paid subscribers) were committing to writing articles/ranking players/making projections for us has to have been greatly reduced by the amount of time they are now committing to DFS. There our only 24 hours in a day, there is no way we are getting the paid product now that we were before DFS took over.

A good indicator would be to see how dynasty info has fared during the takeover of DFS. I haven't been watching over the years but has dynasty info increased/decreased or stayed the same?

For example, when I do a trade in one of my leagues I always like to look to get an idea where players are being ranked at FBGs, it is a service for us who are paid subscribers, but nobody has updated their rankings in at least the past 14 days. With all of the paid staff who do the rankings, no one has updated in the past 14 days. I am a fool to have paid $$$ to these guys. But I don't want a refund, will never request one, but I will never subscribe again.

 

[TLEF316]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

 

[tdoss]

I thought for sure someone would've said, "we're not doing this, guys" and ended the thread or possibly came to help put out the fires.

But it feels more like someone has decided it best to keep their heads down and hope the flames burn themselves out. Probably the best choice...anything else would've probably come off as hypocritical.

Really hard to defend their positioning.

 

[BowieMercs]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

They are all collecting tolls in the Lexus lane forum, they have no time for us freeloaders.

 

[Juxtatarot]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

I don't think it would be wise for any of them to post about this other than the obvious two.

 

[Zegras11]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

I think it's because we were all drawn here because of their great content for season-long leagues. Now, it seems their attention has turned to the daily side of the equation and the season-long content has suffered because of it.

I don't disagree with this at all. The industry is 30 years old now. Shifts in the marketplace happen and all they are doing is adapting to the market. Companies like Xerox didn't adjust after 30 years and it cost them dearly until they made the decision to shift.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

I don't think it would be wise for any of them to post about this other than the obvious two.

John lee and Maurice have posted in the DFS forum. Mostly to defend Ethan and claim DFS is totally ethical.

 

[Good Posting Judge]

I thought for sure someone would've said, "we're not doing this, guys" and ended the thread or possibly came to help put out the fires.

But it feels more like someone has decided it best to keep their heads down and hope the flames burn themselves out. Probably the best choice...anything else would've probably come off as hypocritical.

Really hard to defend their positioning.

To be fair, public opinion has turned on this pretty sharply. It used to be a lot of people who played DFS, mostly dabbling, a lot of people who were annoyed by the commercials (who also played DFS), and then the Haskell thing kind of set off this sentiment that the companies themselves may not be on the up-and-up.

In terms of the Hierarchy of DFS, FBG is an auxiliary player. And they really haven't done anything wrong, to be honest. It seems that this was the way the industry was going and they were looking to capitalize.

I think Rotogrinders has looked pretty bad, given that they've banned people who have expressed some skepticism. If FBG followed their lead and tried to quell any dissent that way, I think that would be seriously problematic. But I don't think any of this dirt is really on FBG's, nor do they really have any say in how the DFS companies run their games. So what can they say, really?

 

[MattFancy]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

I think it's because we were all drawn here because of their great content for season-long leagues. Now, it seems their attention has turned to the daily side of the equation and the season-long content has suffered because of it.

I don't disagree with this at all. The industry is 30 years old now. Shifts in the marketplace happen and all they are doing is adapting to the market. Companies like Xerox didn't adjust after 30 years and it cost them dearly until they made the decision to shift.

I'm not saying ignore DFS, but also don't forget about what got you to where you are. Why not bring in more staff? It shouldn't be an either or for them. They can cover both DFS and season-long and not have content slip.

 

[Fennis]

<blockquote class='ipsBlockquote'data-author="Good Posting Judge" data-cid="18501367" data-time="1445318042"><p><p><blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="Statorama" data-cid="18501327" data-time="1445316323"><p> <blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="tonydead" data-cid="18498939" data-time="1445286405">Yeah I think Penny Slots do in a month what sports gambling does in a year

Neat board

you think with all that DFS money they would fix it

 

[Fennis]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

being back the ban hammer. We prefer random, authoritative rule

 

[eoMMan]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

I don't think it would be wise for any of them to post about this other than the obvious two.

John lee and Maurice have posted in the DFS forum. Mostly to defend Ethan and claim DFS is totally ethical.

That Maurice Trembley guy is a good dude.

 

[Dr. Octopus]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

He can promise to match any deposit you make on FanDueal up to $100.00.

 

[Binky The Doormat]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

I don't think it would be wise for any of them to post about this other than the obvious two.

John lee and Maurice have posted in the DFS forum. Mostly to defend Ethan and claim DFS is totally ethical.

That Maurice Trembley guy is a good dude.

aka "the pompatus of love"

 

[GroveDiesel]

It's weird how the sentiment on this board has changed.

Even though we had our differences...it felt like a community. It felt like Joe and David were one of us...somewhere along the line it's obviously changed.

I'm really surprised at the level of disdain many have in this thread and the one in the shark tank...and I'm one who shares some of that disdain.

I really wonder what, if anything, Joe can do to win the crowd back.

I think it's because we were all drawn here because of their great content for season-long leagues. Now, it seems their attention has turned to the daily side of the equation and the season-long content has suffered because of it.

I don't disagree with this at all. The industry is 30 years old now. Shifts in the marketplace happen and all they are doing is adapting to the market. Companies like Xerox didn't adjust after 30 years and it cost them dearly until they made the decision to shift.

I'm not saying ignore DFS, but also don't forget about what got you to where you are. Why not bring in more staff? It shouldn't be an either or for them. They can cover both DFS and season-long and not have content slip.

FWIW, Adam Harstad posted in the thread about this in the Shark Pool and, if his info is to be believed, FBGs HAS hired a bunch of people just for DFS content. They've gone from about 40 to 60 employees over the last 2 years with many of them brought in specifically for daily. And his numbers regarding season long content do seem to indicate they're putting out just as much season long content as before.

I'm not a subscriber anymore so I can't speak to how good the content is or if the most important stuff is kept up to date enough, but Adam does bring hard numbers to the table that seem to conflict with the idea that there is less season long content than before

 

[PatsWillWin]

I am hoping you can step away from the bombardment of the commercials and the aggressive growth strategies of the DFS operators.

No.

This. So much this.

Burn it all to the ground.

 

[PatsWillWin]

I'm not subscribing next year. I'm not going to kill FBG's for following the money, they are, after all, a business. But scrolling through the e-mails passed the crap at the top is annoying. Listening to Cecil Lammey do his used car salesman ad at the top of every podcast is annoying (and I like Cecil, don't mind his shtick, but it comes off as uber-greasy when it's for a DFS site).

The e-mail from Dodds asking people to help protect DFS was beyond annoying - it was insulting.

I mostly just subscribed every year because I felt like it was cool to support FBG's because of the forum and the podcasts. I probably read 2% of the actual premium content. Rankings are useless, nobody knows anything, and there are plenty of free sources out there who do just as well. The only truly unique premium features I value are Bramel/Norton's IDP content and the MyFBG tool that lets me quickly see the best free agents across several leagues. Good stuff, but not worth the $, especially if I have to be exposed to even more "A NEW MILLIONAIRE EVERY WEEK!!!!111!!11!!!" bull####.

 

[Johnny Rock]

Flipping through the DirecTv guide and noticed channel 288 Buzz had DFS content. Tonight's program is titled, "Fantasy Football Insider Tricks." The description reads verbatim, "Make BIG $$ while you watch football! Easy!"

Wtf?

 

[jonessed]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

Everybody involved is going to ride this cash cow until it crashes.

 

[eoMMan]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

Everybody involved is going to ride this cash cow until it crashes.

Staff has responded in the Shark Pool thread.

 

[Ramblin Wreck]

The fact that no current staff member has replied to this thread is pretty telling.

Everybody involved is going to ride this cash cow until it crashes.

Staff has responded in the Shark Pool thread.

More like trolling people that suspect any cheating occurred. Staff needs to keep the cash cow going too. Their overly defensive nature when they don't know any real details makes the whole thing more suspicious to me.

 

[MattFancy]

Flipping through the DirecTv guide and noticed channel 288 Buzz had DFS content. Tonight's program is titled, "Fantasy Football Insider Tricks." The description reads verbatim, "Make BIG $$ while you watch football! Easy!"

Wtf?

Flip through your DTV guide on Sunday mornings. You'll see about 4 or 5 more channels with that.

 

[FreeBaGeL]

It's not just about "following the money". Dwindling season long content in the face of daily content is only half of the equation. The other half is all these predatory and spammy in your face contest ads that they're sending out to paid subscribers several times per week.

Everyone knows that the "you could be the next fantasy millionaire!" stuff is BS meant to get more guppies into the pool to feed the couple big sharks on the daily sites. You expect that from the FD/DK TV commercials straight from the companies themselves. Paying a subscription to a fantasy football site that you're trusting to help guide you through the fantasy process and having them instead guide you into a scheme designed to take your money so they can take a bigger rake than just your subscription fee is insulting and predatory. Your subscription fee isn't for FF content anymore, it's merely a ticket for them to try and scheme you out of even more money.

These are practices you expect out of scammy backwater internet sites, not a respectable business. FBG is in no way the latter anymore.

 

[bagger]

It's not just about "following the money". Dwindling season long content in the face of daily content is only half of the equation. The other half is all these predatory and spammy in your face contest ads that they're sending out to paid subscribers several times per week.

Everyone knows that the "you could be the next fantasy millionaire!" stuff is BS meant to get more guppies into the pool to feed the couple big sharks on the daily sites. You expect that from the FD/DK TV commercials straight from the companies themselves. Paying a subscription to a fantasy football site that you're trusting to help guide you through the fantasy process and having them instead guide you into a scheme designed to take your money so they can take a bigger rake than just your subscription fee is insulting and predatory. Your subscription fee isn't for FF content anymore, it's merely a ticket for them to try and scheme you out of even more money.

These are practices you expect out of scammy backwater internet sites, not a respectable business. FBG is in no way the latter anymore.

Joe doesn't strike me as this kind of person. Dodds on the other hand... He always has some scheme going. Between wheat pennies, bit coin, poker, DFS, he always has his hands in something that seems like a scam.

 

[[icon]]

I'm not subscribing next year. I'm not going to kill FBG's for following the money, they are, after all, a business. But scrolling through the e-mails passed the crap at the top is annoying. Listening to Cecil Lammey do his used car salesman ad at the top of every podcast is annoying (and I like Cecil, don't mind his shtick, but it comes off as uber-greasy when it's for a DFS site).

The e-mail from Dodds asking people to help protect DFS was beyond annoying - it was insulting.

I mostly just subscribed every year because I felt like it was cool to support FBG's because of the forum and the podcasts. I probably read 2% of the actual premium content. Rankings are useless, nobody knows anything, and there are plenty of free sources out there who do just as well. The only truly unique premium features I value are Bramel/Norton's IDP content and the MyFBG tool that lets me quickly see the best free agents across several leagues. Good stuff, but not worth the $, especially if I have to be exposed to even more "A NEW MILLIONAIRE EVERY WEEK!!!!111!!11!!!" bull####.

Pretty much this.... particularly the bolded.